Heroes: Season 4 Discussion

[Crimson Soul]

Heroes Season Four
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The Discussion Thread

Information:
Monday nights at 8pm.

Main Cast:

Peter Petrelli - Milo Ventimiglia
Claire Bennet - Hayden Panettiere
Hiro Nakamura - Masi Oka
Matt Parkman - Greg Grunberg
"Sylar" Gabriel Gray - Zachary Quinto
Noah Bennet - Jack Coleman

Samuel Sullivan - Robert Knepper
Angela Petrelli - Cristine Rose
Tracey Strauss - Ali Larter
Ando Masahashi - James Kyson Lee
Nathan Petrilli - Adrian Pasdar
Mohinder Suresh - Sendhil Ramamurthy

Volume Five: Redemption

1. Orientation (9/21/09)
2. Jump, Push, Fall (9/21/09)
3. Acceptance (9/28/09)
4. Ink (10/5/09)
5. Hysterical Blindness (10/12/09)
6. Tabula Rasa (10/19/09)
7. Strange Attractors (10/26/09)
8. Once Upon a Time in Texax (11/2/09)
9. Shadowboxing 11/9/09)
10. Brother's Keeper (11/16/09)
11. Thanksgiving (11/23/09)
12. The Fifth Stage (11/30/09)

Comic-Con Trailer:
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[Mr. Blue]

There should be another trailer of that...I go to this Heroes News and Spoilers site (blog), I'll post the 2nd one when its up there

[Quark]

Ali Larter's never gonna go away, is she?

[Mr. Blue]

Nope, not for awhile :p

[Zeltrax]

Any one know, where season 3 dvd coming out? Missed pretty much half of it. Trailer looks good.

[Mr. Blue]

September 1st :)

[Crimson Soul]

Ali Larter's never gonna go away, is she?

When Tracey is killed off, there is no doubt in my mind they will bring in Barbara (the third triplet). So get used to Ali Larter, because she's most likely here to stay (at least for another season or two).

[Fury Diamond]

Season 4 looks interesting with the introduction of the "Carnies". Clare has a new friend / roommate.

[Mr. Blue]

When Tracey is killed off, there is no doubt in my mind they will bring in Barbara (the third triplet). So get used to Ali Larter, because she's most likely here to stay (at least for another season or two).

If we do get a season 5 that is :) We have to see how season 4 goes, depending on the viewers and ratings. The ratings were fine but the viewers were low in season 3

[Zeltrax]

September 1st :)

Thanks Blue, deffo getting it lol.

[Quark]

If we do get a season 5 that is :) We have to see how season 4 goes, depending on the viewers and ratings. The ratings were fine but the viewers were low in season 3

I'll be surprised if this isn't it. With the whole lesbian kiss stunt, and some of the spoilery stuff i've been reading about... it sounds like they're REALLY desperate. I wish Fuller would have stayed to help steer the ship.

[Mr. Pink]

this show is really beginning to start losing my interest. while i like the complexity of it, a lot of things are making me not like the show... season 2 was a waste that 3 had to clean up after basically...

i cant wait for tracy. the claire stunt is definitely for the ratings... i would so prefer another season of Chuck to season 5 of Heroes at this rate.

[Fury Diamond]

Heroes Season 1 was the peak of the show's quality. The show is still fantastic, but there has been a decline in its quality bar with random plots and character development. I'm hoping that Season 4 can bring back the excitement from last season's mess.

Pink, I have to agree with you about Chuck. "I Know Kung Fu"...that's a way to end a season.

[Mr. Pink]

thanks... i guess no one watches chuck as that thread died quickly... i think you asked if anyone watched it and i was the only response

[Digifiend]

I wonder when Heroes will come back in the UK?

[PowerOnyx]

this show is really beginning to start losing my interest. while i like the complexity of it, a lot of things are making me not like the show... season 2 was a waste that 3 had to clean up after basically...

i cant wait for tracy. the claire stunt is definitely for the ratings... i would so prefer another season of Chuck to season 5 of Heroes at this rate.

I agree with everything in this post.

I felt that Heroes should have left well enough alone after Season 1 wrapped up.

Then came Season 2 and the time traveling and power swapping and...

Yeah, it led to Season 3 being nothing but cleanup.

I am curious as to how they plan to use Sylar in the series, since he is now Nathan.

[Quark]

I kind of disagree. Volume 2 was guilty of being pointless, and basically just a retread of the first season. But... atleast then the heroes remained pretty consistent, and they were introducing new, interesting characters for future stories. Villains is where Heroes jumped the shark twelve times over. And I don't think it can ever recover from that. Fugitives was a step in the right direction, but it's still far from on the right course.

[Mr. Blue]

When season 3 wasn't doing well, I've had 2nd thoughts that I kinda wished I didn't get Heroe season 1 and 2 too fast...usually, I would wait until after 3 seasons or 4 then I would (I did thought of that when Heroes started but then, oh what the heck, might as well lol). Did the same thing about How I Met Your Mother :p

I only want to get tv shows on DVD if a tv show (that I like alot that I could watch again after getting all the seasons...if its a succesful show) passes 4 seasons.

[Question]

That video got me so excited I swear I peed a little.

[Mr. Pink]

I love Sylar lol!

[Digifiend]

I like Sylar too, Mr Pink. :)

[bluebox40]

Actually season 4 is volume 5. Season 3 was split into 2 different volumes.

[Mr. Blue]

Who are you referring to that?

[Quark]

I think he's referring to the title, but it IS the fourth season. It just happens to also be the fifth volume... what were they thinking?

[Mr. Pink]

season 2 was meant to be two volumes too i believe before the writer's strike...

[Mr. Blue]

Actually...season 2 was originally suppose to have 3 volumes before the strike happened. Volume 2 was Generations, volume 3 was to be Exodus (means that someone is leaving) and volume 4 was to be Villains. If it wasn't for the strike...Generations would probably have 8 episodes, Exodus wold have 8 and Villains would have 8 (making it 24 episodes). Season 3 would have had Fugitives and Redemption.

Anyways...

After the strike came and while that was going on...they have to dropped the volume for Exodus....so they would have Volume 3 be villiains.

After the strike ended, we saw the list of shows that would return or doesn't return to finish off the season (also the new shows too)....Heroes was put on Hiatus so Volume 2 "Generations" only had 11 episodes for season 2 and save Volume 3 "Villains" for season 3.

[Digifiend]

The someone leaving would've been Sylar, because of Zachary Qunito's role as Spock in Star Trek. Thanks to the strike, filming no longer clashed, so he never left the show. The Nathan storyline gives them cover for when he leaves to film the twelfth Star Trek movie.

[PowerRanger048]

I hope this season brings Sylar down to where he really is weakest. If he threatens Matt for wanting his body back I bet Matt will say he can't help him. I like seeing newer and more powerful villains though since it's a fresh change.

[bluebox40]

I think he's referring to the title, but it IS the fourth season. It just happens to also be the fifth volume... what were they thinking?

Not the title. I know it is the 4th season. in crimson's post it says Volume Four: Redemption. When it should be Volume 5: Redemption


Anyways, when dose heroes season 4 start?

[Mr. Blue]

Fixed Crimson's typo in the first post.

As for the premiere date...Sept 21.

[Mr. Pink]

It won't be the same without Chuck as the lead in this season!

[Digifiend]

Fixed Crimson's typo in the first post.

As for the premiere date...Sept 21.Good, the UK should get it first week of October then. Not too long to wait. :)

[Crimson Soul]

A character last seen in season one will be guest starring in an upcoming episode in Volume Five. Click the spoiler tag for more information.


Jayma Mays will be guest starring in an episode to play Charlie. Charlie was Hiro's love interest who was murdered by Sylar in the first season.

[Mr. Pink]

Nani?????????? At least she is not lost in an alternate future like Caitlin...

[Mr. Blue]

Caitlin's the one who went with Peter in that not too far into the future about the virus, right? If so, I think she's still stuck there

[NCBradin]

Meh. I don't know if I'll be watching the new season this year.

[Mr. Pink]

Caitlin's the one who went with Peter in that not too far into the future about the virus, right? If so, I think she's still stuck there

Yeah she is still stuck in the future. Don't know how Peter or anyone could get to that timeline unless they go back in time before history was changed and then to the future... I really liked her accent too!

I'm wondering... One of Adam Monroe's aliases used the last name Sanders... Any connection to Niki perhaps?

[Digifiend]

Good, the UK should get it first week of October then. Not too long to wait. :)Argh! Spoke too soon, apparently it might not be shown at all...
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6827894.ece

Seems the BBC want to ditch their US imports. :sad:

[Mr. Blue]

How did this end up on the 2nd page? lol

Anyways, don't forget everybody that season 4 starts next monday...

[Digifiend]

Lucky for some... dunno how long we have to wait here in Britain. :sad:

[Mr. Blue]

You can always download remember :p

[Digifiend]

That may be my only option unless I hear some scheduling news in the next week or two.

[malfion]

New season starts tomorrow.
I can't wait.

[Quark]

Magic tattoos, here we go.

[Digifiend]

Magic tattoos?

[Fury Diamond]

What did everyone think of the Season Premiere?

[toughturnips]

It was alright. It was weird seeing Madeline Zima on Heroes considering I haven't watched her in a TV show since The Nanny. I never cared for Hiro but I was kinda sad to hear the news about him dying. The guy with the swords was pretty cool and I also like Matt's storyline with dealing with Sylar in his head. I'm kinda tired of anything with HRG at this point and the same for Tracy, "Nathan" and Angela. Claire's part was alright...really glad they got rid of the room mate. At this point I'm just watching it for the hell of it to see what happens but I don't really care if I miss it either.

[Crimson Soul]

What did everybody think of last night's episode (Ink)?

[Mr. Blue]

The premiere was a great start :D

[bluebox40]

Did someone say Hiro's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[NCBradin]

Second episode of Season four was so good. I'm glad that Claire got her chance to explain her secret to her new roommate, Gretchen. Sometimes, I wondered if Gretchen can keep her secret to herself or will she spit the beans?

Also I'm very pleased to see Deanna Bray who played Emma who can sees the sounds. She's deaf herself and I can understand what she's saying, but very good at lip-speaking and lip-reading as well!

Two thumbs up for this episode! Very, very good! :)

[Digifiend]

Apparently Masi Oka signed up for something called The Defenders. Probably why Hiro's leaving?

[Mr. Blue]

Did someone say Hiro's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

He isn't dead, he is dieing...that is all we know.

[NCBradin]

Digifiend,

You're joking, right? Do you find the reason why he decides to leave the best show ever on the earth?

[Digifiend]

It's mentioned on IMDB. The Defenders will be out in 2011.

[bluebox40]

Apparently Masi Oka signed up for something called The Defenders. Probably why Hiro's leaving?

There bringing back that old court room show?

[Digifiend]

Looked it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defenders_(TV_series)

Masi's IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1199811/
This doesn't mention what it is at all (not even whether it's TV or a movie) - it could be a superhero adaptation for all we know: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1452299/

[Crimson Soul]

Just out of curiosity, does anybody know whether or not they offed Mohinder Suresh from the main character list? Not that I mind, his character was ruined after Villains anyway, but still...

[Mr. Blue]

He is returning....soon. By the look of it, he's now a recurring character not part of the main cast anymore.

[bluebox40]

Hiro isn't dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Blue]

Calm down CJ lol

[Fury Diamond]

What do you think of the season thus far?

[PowerOnyx]

I don't like that they are turning Claire into a lesbian. And this Carnival shtick is getting old very fast. I hate that Hiro got blackmailed into saving Suresh when, if asked, he would have done it.

[Mr. Blue]

How come you don't like Claire going the new way? I like it :)

Anyways, season 4 is doing really good so far and the viewers and ratings has been staying steady. Episode 8 went up to 6.18 million viewers and the rating was like 2.6

[Razor]

I wonder what other people we're gonna see that we haven't seen for awhile.

Like maybe Peter's GF that got kidnapped and forgotten from season 2...

[PowerOnyx]

How come you don't like Claire going the new way? I like it :)

Anyways, season 4 is doing really good so far and the viewers and ratings has been staying steady. Episode 8 went up to 6.18 million viewers and the rating was like 2.6


Because every show is doing the "gay" character. No offense to anyone who is, but a girl kisses her then she decides she's gay. I know she's in college and all, but c'mon. A little late to do this to Claire now, seeing as it's the final season. Maybe a little foreshadowing in the last 3 seasons would have helped a little. It's just tacked on to get the people who are turned on by girl-on-girl action to watch the show, thus increasing the ratings. They brought an element into the story that's not going to help the plot. The season is almost halfway over. Does Claire becoming a lesbian really matter to the overall story?

[Digifiend]

Plus it's a contradiction - didn't Claire have a boyfriend (West) in season 2? So how come she's suddenly decided she fancies girls instead? So I hated that as soon as heard it as a spoiler! :question:

[Quark]

Even though it is obviously being done just to pull in ratings... college is a time for experimentation.

I'll leave it at that.

[Mr. Blue]

We don't know if this is the last season....it hasn't been stated anywhere that this could be the last season. There is a chance we are getting a season 5 since the ratings and viewers is going back up a bit and being steady...it is a bit too early to be talking about that now anyways lol If we do get a season 5, it'll most likely be the last one for sure since Heroes was planned to have only 5 seasons.

[PowerOnyx]

A planned 5th Season? Meh.

I'll miss Supernatural more than this show.

[Mr. Blue]

Would be nice to have a 6th season to make up for the strike which probably won't happen anyways lol

[PowerOnyx]

The strike affected more than just Heroes.

Supernatural meshed Seasons 3 and 4 to make Season 3. Season 5 is actually Season 4-5.

Pushing Daisies was canceled.

Middleman was canceled.

Jungle Fury had story issues.

[Digifiend]

Heroes got affected in a good way too - it removed the clash with the Star Trek movie, so Zachary Quinto was now able to do both.

Full strike effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_the_2007%E2%80%9308_Writers_Guild_of_Ame rica_strike_on_television

[Fury Diamond]

I'm not a fan of this season's Carnival storyline. Hiro, Sylar, and Peter's storylines are slow but still fun to watch. I'm more excited about Sylar's development for this season as he tries to put himself back together. I do miss the good old days when Peter had more than one ability.

[Razor]

Yeah, Thanks, Peter's dad.

[Mr. Blue]

I'm not a fan of this season's Carnival storyline. Hiro, Sylar, and Peter's storylines are slow but still fun to watch. I'm more excited about Sylar's development for this season as he tries to put himself back together. I do miss the good old days when Peter had more than one ability.

Yeah....I miss Peter's old ability as well. The blame goes to those 2 darn ex-producers who ruined volume 3 Villains for season 3.

There was that rumor we have been hearing that Peter will slowly get all his abilities back which will take awhile.

[Digifiend]

If this is the last season, no time for that. But I also wish they'd give him his full powers back. IMHO, they should've been restored, along with Hiro's, when Arthur died.

Peter will have lost certain powers for good if he has to reacquire them one at a time. Flying most notably, as Nathan is dead.

[Razor]

If this is the last season, no time for that. But I also wish they'd give him his full powers back. IMHO, they should've been restored, along with Hiro's, when Arthur died.

Peter will have lost certain powers for good if he has to reacquire them one at a time. Flying most notably, as Nathan is dead.

Not if he meets another with the flying ability. Wouldn't be the first time we met someone else who could fly *cough*Claire's old boyfriend*cough*

[Digifiend]

But West is no longer in the show, and considering Claire's current storyline, I doubt he'll ever be back.

[Razor]

He was just an example. They've had multiple characters that have powers as older characters.

One example of this is that sorority chick with the power to turn invisible.

We had an invisible guy in season 1, remember? The guy who taught Peter to control his powers.

So theoretically, all Peter has to do is meet another person who can fly, and BOOM the power is his.

[Mr. Blue]

Peter hasn't touched Claire yet to use her ability again lol

[Razor]

It's too bad Peter never touched The Haitain's brother. Remember him? Impenetrable skin or something cool like that...

[Okona]

Since the introduction of Samuel, I've been thinking that I know him from somewhere (and no, I didn't watch Prison Break)

Then, as I'm re-watching TNG season 1 (in prep for the new movie next week), and I'm watching the episode Haven, who do I see....

http://www.seriesblog.es/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/prison-break-robert-knepper-en-star-trek2.jpg

As Wyatt Miller

[Mr. Pink]

I wish they would kill off Parkman already... his storylines are getting so


The show needs more Tracy and clarify what happened to Molly, Monica, and others....


Too bad Caitlin is stuck in that alternate future, I like her better than Peter's current love interest...

[dinokira]

i totally forgot she was still there, and I forgot about that Charlie girl too. The only negative thing about this show is that they leave so many things out. Like how are monica and the others doing? What happened to all those boys Claire was seeing? And I was glad to see whats his name come back last week. Another thing they have seem to leave is when they all had those marks on their necks.

[PowerOnyx]

I wish they would kill off Parkman already... his storylines are getting so...

They did in "Shadowboxing".

[dinokira]

I like parkman, i think they should throw the little girl who can locate people back into his plots.

[Super Jeff]

Actually I like this season so far, I just hope we don't get a crappy finale liek the last 2 volumes have gotten.

As well I think West should come back, he was a pretty interesting character.

[Razor]

1. Where did Michah go? The last we saw of him, I believe was his interaction with Sylar, when he was going under the name "Rebel".

2. Speaking of Michah, wtf happened to his cousin? I wanna see her again.

3. I've always felt like Claire's biological mom didn't die. She had the power of fire. Does anyone else feel like maybe they're waiting to bring her back and surprise the crap outta Claire?

[Mr. Pink]

According to Michael Ausiello of EW, a major male character from the first season is supposed to be killed off...

I'm hoping its Parkman... or Nathan... Why does Surresh have to come back too?

If Tracy could come back from that snow storm thing then I'm sure their is a chance for Claire's biological mother

[dinokira]

i totally forgot she was still there, and I forgot about that Charlie girl too. The only negative thing about this show is that they leave so many things out. Like how are monica and the others doing? What happened to all those boys Claire was seeing? And I was glad to see whats his name come back last week. Another thing they have seem to leave is when they all had those marks on their necks

So many unsolved things

[PowerOnyx]

Did anyone notice a certain aiport security guard?

Mr. Kevin Pereira. :D

[Mr. Blue]

According to Michael Ausiello of EW, a major male character from the first season is supposed to be killed off...

I'm hoping its Parkman... or Nathan... Why does Surresh have to come back too?

If Tracy could come back from that snow storm thing then I'm sure their is a chance for Claire's biological mother

Yeah, this season one major male will be killed off. Its most likely going to be Matt.

Kevin, Nathan is already dead,..the character Nathan was killed off at the end of season 3 season. Matt had Nathan's memories put into Sylar causing him to be switched to Nathan. Not really Nathan, just Sylar being him and is trying to get rid of Nathan out of his own body and mind for good.

[PowerOnyx]

It was Matt.

[bluebox40]

No it wasn't. He's back next week. It going to be Sylar has we knew him. What's left of Sylar is going to become future Gabirl we saw in season 3.

Meanwhile Sylar's mind is going to die at some point.

[PowerOnyx]

^That just ruined next week's episode. (I never stick around to watch the clips for the next episode, as I like to be surprised).

[Mr. Blue]

The major death for this season would happen by the end of this season just like in the past seasons. We won't know who it is but we know that its one of the males....

So far Nathan is gone but his memories are in Sylar but its not really him.

Won't be Peter.

So its either Matt, Hiro, Mohinder and Sylar. I didn't include Ando as nothing would happen to him anyways as he is still in Japan.

[Digifiend]

Didn't the first episode of the season imply Hiro was about to die?
Did someone say Hiro's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Mr. Blue]

Not about to die, he was going to die.....the question if he is or not going to.

[PowerOnyx]

^My money's on Peter.

[Ivlander]

Did anyone notice a certain aiport security guard?

Mr. Kevin Pereira. :D

I know. I saw the clip on AOTS, but it was good.

[NadisAten]

The major character being killed off IS Nathan. Here's the article:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b151884_Major_Death_Revealed___lt_i_gt_Heroes_lt__ i_gt__Is_Killing_Off_Adrian_Pasdar.html

Granted, it's from Kristin Dos Santos, but she cites another source as well in the article, so it's probably true.

[Razor]

Big surprise on the spoiler. They're really doing it second time, but at least it's for good.

[Fury Diamond]

Figured it was obvious. Nathan is dead and it will only be a matter of time when Sylar pieces himself back together. When that happens, there will be no point to Adrian's character. As much as we would like to see someone go back in time to prevent the death, it's not going to happen.

I was never a fan of Nathan's character. He always had a odd storyline and mood shifts. The actor did a great job portraying the character, but it was the actual character that was doomed to fail.

[Razor]

I agree with you FD. I always wished that he would've had a better relationship than the little he did with Claire, but that never happened, so they may as well kill off Nathan.

[Fury Diamond]

They did show some good interactions between Nathan and Clare.
1. Season 1 Finale when he stopped Clare from shooting Peter
2. When he gave her a "free" pass again Danko's attacks..even though that was a deal with Noah (HRG)
3. Their trip to Mexico

The thing about Nathan is that when he sets his mind on something, he puts that ahead of family, relationships, and everything. First, he wants to get elected. Then he mourns his brother's death. Then he wants to reveal the truth and gets shot. He becomes religious for a little bit. Then he wants to become a daddy's boy and take over Pinehurst. Then he thinks that he should round up all the "Heroes".

I mean...come on. Can you just be yourself and stay focus on one thing?! His interactions with his brother Peter are on and off. When he's sincere with his brother, it's cool but then the next episode, he'll change his stripes.

[Quark]

Nathan was one of the biggest victims of the writers just trying anything to make Villains and Fugitives successful. In the first two seasons he was my favorite character.

[Fury Diamond]

Nathan was a better character in the first season. He had a responsibility and was focused. I didn't like him so much because there were times that he was his own brother's antogonist. Nathan made it up in the final scene of season 1. "You saved the cheerleader, so WE can save the world". His acting in that scene alone was enough to get him pure props for Season 1.

[Super Jeff]

Wow nathan dies, what a shocker......I mean he is dead, but Sylar is the only reason his "Ghost" is still around.

Nathan Overall I thought he was a good character, a good foil to peter's actions as well his own.

I just hope before Sylar is back to normal, Nathan at least tells Peter he was always proud of him., Let the character leave on a good note.

[Crimson Soul]

Preview for next week's episode, titled "Thanksgiving." By the promo, it looks to be a fantastic episode.

XOB1e5umMgk

[PowerOnyx]

Yay. They're bringing the lesbian storyline back. Yay.... :straightface:

[Fury Diamond]

The Sylar storyline was great in this episode. I have been waiting for that scene since the end of last season. It's going to be interesting to see what direction they plan to take.

[Quark]

Yay. They're bringing the lesbian storyline back. Yay.... :straightface:

Scissor me timbers!
This season is great so far, it's the first time since Season 2 I really feel like they know where they're going with all of this.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

The first time since season one I feel like the writers have any sort of idea where things will be four episodes from now, rather than improvising as they go from scene to scene. I ADORE seasons two and three for being the biggest, gangliest Heroes fanfic ever written. Contrived, staggering punch-drunk from commercial break to commercial break... It was appointment television for me precisely because it was just HORRIFYINGLY BAD. I love Heroes much the same way people like to eat fast food or get drunk. Indeed, I've described my love for the show to my fiance this way.

S4, though... It's actually competent. They have a structure, they have an end goal in mind, and the pieces are still being moved intelligently. Things from many seasons ago are once again showing consequences, and the most contrived things are getting lanterns hung on them in a manner indicative of SG1 at its best. The fact Peter has just sacrificed his lifeforce power is clearly going to have lasting consequences when he runs smack into Hiro soon enough and can't reverse the cancer. Indeed, when Parkman got gunned down I was almost convinced they'd off two main characters. I'm VERY willing to believe they'd sacrifice Hiro simply because he's too powerful to nerf the way Peter was.

(and BRILLIANT JOB dealing with Hiro's increasing stupidity in the second and third seasons as being actual brain damage resulting from overuse of his powers, and for the same reasons that too much time travel is fatal on Lost. God, they care about the mechanics of how and why the abilities work again. Peter's logical response when Nathan started using Sylar's powers of "oh, your NATURAL abilities from dad finally kicked in!" made me smile so huge, because Derik and I had tossed it out a week earlier as the kind of writing the show had eschewed since season one ended; it really is the little details that make me enjoy this season the same way I did S1)

[Mr. Blue]

After episode 10, from the Nielson (TV By the Numbers) site....the episode had 5.07 million viewers and the rating was 2.2

[Fury Diamond]

The past couple episodes had some amazing scenes that raised the quality bar.
1. When Matt sacrifices himself to kill Sylar. Beautiful scene. It leaves the audience thinking for a brief moment..."wait a second...it is possible for Sylar to die". The acting done by Greg in that scene was on the mark.

2. The hospital scene when Sylar returns to his body. This is the scene of the season and done beautifully. The events leading to that scene was pure logic, rather than "oh look, I got lucky with this story". Peter got the healing powers to save Hiro, Hiro goes missing, Peter uses his powers to save Matt Parkman and accidently helps Sylar. Props goes to the writers on that concept.

This season is bringing back the quality bar from Season 1. Season 2 and 3 had their moments but honestly they were filler seasons with random stories. There are some random stories (Clare) that need improving. Season 1 had the quality bar set to 90-100%. If you missed a minute of the show, you potentially missed a clue to an upcoming episode or story. Hopefully the writers can continue on the current formula and push out more great episodes.

[Super Jeff]

I admit I was mixed in the season 3 finale, however It does seem to be taking advantage of something that was sloppy and turned it around into something great. This season is almost as good as season1.

[Mr. Blue]

Season 4 is still doing great when people have suddenly stopped watching the show because of what the two ex-producers did to season 3.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Jeph Loeb had been ruining the show since the second season. I won't deny I miss him for that. A protracted creator breakdown makes for awesomely horrible writing. God, the protracted sequence with the in-continuity Heroes fanboys debating whether or not Hiro and Claire had ever met? I was in hysterics at the contrivances of this.

Seriously, let's consider the mechanics of a universe where all of our leads are characters in Ninth Wonders. Hiro Nakamura is one of the book's main protagonists, yes? Hiro Nakamura, undoubtedly based on the son of the CEO of Yamagato Industries, one of the largest conglomerations on the planet. So let's stop and consider, now that Loeb has hung a lantern on it... What happens if someone googles "Hiro Nakamura?" Or Wikis him? Do they get the real man, or do they get the character who is WITHOUT A DOUBT based on an actual human being? How in the world has no one in the world drawn these parallels, particularly given what an otaku Hiro himself is? Why do people not hassle and harangue him continually over this? How has Yamagato not SUED the Mendez estate?

My god, ANY stories on the Bennett family? I mean, yeah, S4 hung a lantern on Claire being a semi-public figure for who she is, but... Primatech. All the crap on the company if Isaac explored Noah as a character in any sort of depth? THE COMPANY IS UTTERLY COMPROMISED GIVEN THAT THESE ISSUES CONTINUED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR OVER A YEAR AFTER ISAAC'S DEATH.

[Super Jeff]

for me, Season 2 had a weak begining but a strong ending. The first 6 episodes of season 2 seemed to follow a formula like season1, however it got stronger and the finale was epic.

Season 3 was an awsome start however as the season went on, it got weaker and weaker. We got good villains like Arthur and Danco but then Sylar swoops in and steals the spotlight. I was really dissapointed on how they handled Arthur. I mean they were setting him up as an almighty villain but then he just dies from a bullet. It seemed like I got cheated.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Arthur's problem is that he stemmed from SHOCKING SWERVE EVERY COMMERCIAL BREAK! He had greater powers than Peter or Sylar, both of whom the show had gone out of its way to nerf precisely because their powers rendered them unwriteable demigods. There was no thought put into his powers. He just sits around and uses Isaac's power, blissfully unconcerned with using HIRO'S power in tandem with it. No one really seems to know or care what Arthur's master plan was, since he was not a character unto himself. His own army of villains, the super soldier program, the eclipse... Everything was stunt writing. Sylar and Adam had clearly defined motives. Samuel has VERY clearly defined motives, and even more now that we're getting a full and proper explanation for why some people don't need an eclipse for their powers to trigger.

Artificial abilities and "some people are stronger when surrounded by others with abilities" allows us a handy means of ignoring just what it is the eclipses do to activate people, since clearly no explanation they asspull at this point is going to work sufficiently. Particularly not when some people, like Samuel or Matty Parkman, had abilities as NEWBORNS. Though this will never explain why it took Peter so long to trigger when his parents and their closest associates were the most powerful people on the planet.

[Super Jeff]

Sylar was a perfect villian for season 1, Adam perfect villain for season 2, and Samuel perfect villian for season 4.

I know fans hated season 2 the most, but to me at least it had a set up and an ending. Season 3 had a good start but it got lost trying to put twists and answers. It seemed like Heroes is just trying to set it self up just to fall in season 3.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

The show season three started out as and the show it ended up being were so utterly divorced from one another it's hilarious. Especially when you realize they had no foresight other than the next commercial break's shocking twist. My god, I see why Kristen Bell quit.

"Wait, so... Sylar isn't Peter's fraternal twin brother, even though that makes perfect sense given the revelation that empathy is their mutual inherited power. I'M Claire's fraternal twin sister."
"Yes."
"ELLE HAS SLEPT WITH PETER! That is FULL ON INCEST!"
"Oh, um..."
"That's it, I'm gone."

[Super Jeff]

Yeah I just wish the writers knew what they are doing with Sylar, since season 1, he seemed like the character that would become good in the end or at least an anti hero. However all through out season 3, they just toyed with the idea and they just seem to say, well people like him bad, we should keep him bad, but we should still have those redeeming qualities just incase.

[Fury Diamond]

I was hoping for the Peter-Sylar brother storyline. They played it off nicely in those episodes and the concept made sense with the empathy ability. I'm still waiting for the day that Peter gets all of his powers back. The thing that I loved about Season one is the epic concept of Peter vs Sylar...one symbol of pure goodness and one symbol of a confused darkness.

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think of last night's episode?

[PowerOnyx]

Hero should have threatened to go back in time and kill Samuel as a baby, or at least stop his mother and father from meeting thus negating his existence.

I bet he'd have gotten Charlie back had he said that.
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And it was obvious that Samuel murdered his brother. I deduced that long before this episode told us so.

[Quark]

My god, I see why Kristen Bell quit.


Doesn't help that the Elle she played during Villains was NOT the Elle we saw in the previous season. And the flashback version of Elle was nothing like the other two. The writers were literally rewriting the character on the fly. Did they not realize how awful this was, or did they simply not care?

[Quark]

What did you think of last night's episode?

I'm still not really sold on this love interest for Noah they retconned in. It isn't bad or anything, it's just not doing it for me. Everything with Samuel and Hiro is being handled really well, I think. Mama Petrelli really has gone insane, hasn't she? Even though Nathan/Syler is a ticking time bomb, she refuses to give up the charade that her son is alive. This is the same woman that was willing to see hundreds of thousands die so Nathan could be a successful politician.
Next week looks very promising.

[PowerOnyx]

"Thanksgiving" made it official.

Claire is a lesbian.

And Sylar is hungry. :p

[Mr. Blue]

Poor Sylar...hasn't eaten in ages lol

[Razor]

I can't wait to see what what's-his-name (the speed guy) is gonna do next in regards to Samuel.

[Super Jeff]

This is a very interesting season so fra. Havn't been on the edge of my seat since season 2.

[Super Jeff]

Also if I understand this correctly, Samuel gets stronger when he is around more people with powers? Is that why he is gathering them?

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Okay, so it's becoming clear to me that if Samuel doesn't think he can actually convince Claire to do the horrible things he demands of family members, then he wants her for her blood. After two seasons of avoiding anything to do with that pandora's box other than the perfunctory offer to help Hiro with it, we're now in a weird place. The show went out of its way to explain why Jeremy's power couldn't have healed Nathan and that's why Noah never suggested him at the end of season three (it only works on the recently deceased or near-death), but why is it that in the months since the Sylar battle Angela never even considered using a bag of her granddaughter's blood? Do you mean to tell me the Petrelli brood doesn't have samples of Claire's most precious resource stored away for future use?

I admit, discovering Rene can switch off his Haitian powers is tremendous -- I felt like he simply EXUDED an energy field which nullified powers in addition to having control over his memory extraction ability, which is how they played it with Sylar!Nathan two weeks ago. Now that we know the Haitian's abilities can in fact be doppled by Peter if he drops his shield... We know that Sylar could slice Rene to ribbons and use his abilities for himself. Something I WAS NEVER COMPLETELY SURE COULD BE DONE.

Of course, this also produces an even bigger idiot plot in that Nathan lets himself fall to his death rather than do what his body language for that entire scene screamed Sylar wanted to do and push Peter over. If Pete had any kind of a brain or an actual master plan, he NEEDED to nullify Sylar's healing abilities and slice HIS brain open. Render the healing factor inert by spreading the brain, including the special immortality gland, all over the planet. That said, two instances of not knowing how to handle the super-healers does not bug me. The examples of power disparities and idiot plots throughout this show's short history are so tremendous that I will gladly accept sometimes they forget exactly how overpowered they made Claire even as they do remember it with Sylar.

[Super Jeff]

Well at least they gave Nathan a proper send off in my opinion. He told Peter he was rpud of him and he has to fight the good fight from now on, on his own. It was rather touching. Now that Sylar is fully back, I wonder what is going to happen to him. As well, what confuses me more is how Hiro change the timeline effected Sylar personally.

As well is Samuel gathering all these powered people because the more their are the stronger he gets? Other then that Samuel is a well done villain. He seems to have everything planned out for him, unlike Adam Monroe or Arthur Petrelli.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Sylar gets wiped of his S1 powers early enough in the second season that it's largely irrelevant if he retains Charlie's memorization skills.

[Super Jeff]

well I thought it would affect him personally, actually, the way Hiro told him the way he would (suppossedly) dies. But to me it wasn't so much the power then affect his personality. But yeah it probably is irreleevent.

[Digifiend]

History can be changed remember. Issac painted a future where New York got destroyed by a nuclear man. That turned out to be Peter, but Nathan got him high in the air where it was safe, and the future Issac predicted was averted. So any future Hiro may have seen might not necessarily come to pass.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Sylar would just presume Hiro meant the climax of the Kirby Plaza battle, given the ambiguity of the statement. Given that we're already in the changed timeline ("I tried to take the abilities of a woman here once"), I'd say this is what happened.

[DrBravo2]

Sylar would just presume Hiro meant the climax of the Kirby Plaza battle, given the ambiguity of the statement. Given that we're already in the changed timeline ("I tried to take the abilities of a woman here once"), I'd say this is what happened.
Hell, for all Sylar knows, his knowledge of the future from Hiro AVERTED his death at Kirby Plaza.

[Rev Cmdr Crayfish]

Precisely my thought. Sylar thinks he cheated Future-Hiro's precognition.

[Super Jeff]

That makes sence, as well everytime we do give Sylar character develoment, it gets shot anyways.

[Mr. Blue]

Woot, no more Nathan!!!!

[Super Jeff]

ACtually I am probably one of the few people that didn't mind Nathan. He actually became likeable in season 2.

[Mr. Blue]

I didn't mind Nathan either but he wasn't one of my favorites.

[Razor]

Okay, I'm confused, someone refresh my memory. My mind is foggy, I guess cause I don't remember Hiro and Ando meeting up again, yet in the credits of Mondays' episode (which I FINALLY got through watching just now), they are running through a jungle with Mohinder. I remember Hiro finding Dr. Suresh, but I don't remember Ando being there.

[Super Jeff]

something must have happened that we didn't see and we'll see in a flash back I am guessing.

[Mr. Blue]

I'm sure we'll see that in one of the upcoming episodes.

[Super Jeff]

Not sure if I heard this right, but Samuel gets stronger by being around more powered people, right?

[Razor]

That's what Dr. Suresh's dad was saying.

[Super Jeff]

Samuel doesn't need Clair but she can help get what he really wants. I wonder what that is? DO you think he is using her to get to peter?

[Super Jeff]

Hmmmm, Sylar's true desire is Claire wonder what that means? He has her power what else does he need from her? As well I guess Hiro's words did stick with him.

Now we know Samuel once loved somebody, wonder if she has something to do with him gathering everyone.

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think of last night's episode?

[Quark]

Use your blood to save her, Claire! Other than that, enjoyable episode.

[Digifiend]

Woot, no more Nathan!!!!That episode was just shown here on Saturday. Three bullets to the chest, buried, and then Sylar emerges! Brilliant scene. So much for Matt's mindwipe, lol. :D

[Verto]

Haha welcome to Season 4, Digifiend.

I really think the last episode was a BLAST! I loved all the action and some sort of urgency in all the scenes. PETER!!! He's such a good character but never gets most of the lines. Matt's awesome and Sylar... *sigh* SO many storylines! But Matt was really cruel to Sylar to give him that new mindwipe. And now Peter's in the same situation! Nooooo....

[Digifiend]

lol, we're 4 eps in. :)

[Mr. Pink]

I can't wait for Tracy to come back! Earth vs Water/Ice anyone?

[Super Jeff]

Hmmmm I wonder Will Peter truly help Sylar become a good guy? It makes you wonder.

[Mr. Pink]

I would love Sylar to kill Matt and prove Peter wrong

[Mr. Blue]

You don't like Matt?

[Super Jeff]

To be honest I like Matt's character. Can you honestly blame him for what he did to Sylar? I probably would have done the same thing in his situation.

[bluebox40]

Knowing what we know about Sylar's future from early s3, I couldn't help but be pissed at Matt for what he did to them.

[Thrax]

I liked a lot of that guy who played in Prison break and now he see him in the Heroes

[Fury Diamond]

Matt's a great character but his decision was pretty lame. Sylar's request was pretty noble and reasonable.

Peter and Sylar's interaction in last night's episode was great. Sylar has gone through many phases over the seasons. His character development is growing into a more healthy role.

[Mr. Pink]

For a bit I thought Claire was falling for it

[Digifiend]

Knowing what we know about Sylar's future from early s3, I couldn't help but be pissed at Matt for what he did to them.History can be altered, remember. The Future Hiro we saw in season 1 will now not come to pass. And of course the New York explosion was prevented.
I liked a lot of that guy who played in Prison break and now he see him in the HeroesRobert Knepper, who's playing the carnival guy Samuel. I didn't watch Prison Break, but I do like him on Heroes.

[Quark]

Samuel fills the spot of 'guy with accent who speaks cryptically' that Mohinder left.

Really though, he's awesome.

[Mr. Pink]

As much as I love the show, part of me kind of wants it to just die with how whacky/ farfetched it has come

[Thrax]

History can be altered, remember. The Future Hiro we saw in season 1 will now not come to pass. And of course the New York explosion was prevented.Robert Knepper, who's playing the carnival guy Samuel. I didn't watch Prison Break, but I do like him on Heroes.

I liked him too, he always plays og awesome characters

[Digifiend]

As much as I love the show, part of me kind of wants it to just die with how whacky/ farfetched it has comeJudging by the poor ratings, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[IronRanger]

I don't want Sylar to be non-serial killer! I mean, I like that he wants to change, but he's Sylar. He has to kill people!

[Gr1s3L]

I don't want Sylar to be non-serial killer! I mean, I like that he wants to change, but he's Sylar. He has to kill people!

I'm agree with you...since he's a baddasss- villain..!!!

[Super Jeff]

I dont know, if he didnt have all these complication Sylar would make a decent villain. He was a good villain in season 1 and 2. But Now I think its time to change his roll to be an anti hero.

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think of last night's season finale?

[Mr. Pink]

Sylar saying he was a hero was kinda creepy cool... I still cant believe Claire did what she did in the Vol 6 preview...

[Razor]

And what of Claire's roommate (Madeline Zima)? She wasn't anywhere in the finale (I JUST finished watching it finally). I feel sorry for Hiro. Samuel SCREWED him over with Charlie. I kinda expected Sylar to make Doyle walk around like a puppet (that apparatus looked like he could do it). What happened to Mohinder? He was in this season briefly and then poof. I hope in the new season they explain what he's been doing. I hope in the new season they bring some of the characters back from 2 seasons ago so we can see what THEY'VE been doing (Micah, his cousin, etc.)

[Mr. Pink]

I kind of wish Peter's Irish Love would be resolved but thats kind of hard with Emma being there and Caitlin being lost in some alternate future timeline. I'm glad that Charlie's story came to a nice ending

[Razor]

Maybe since they brought back Charlie this seaosn, maybe in the new season they'll try to close the loopholes on at least ONE of Peter's former loves.

[Digifiend]

I hope in the new season they bring some of the characters back from 2 seasons ago so we can see what THEY'VE been doing (Micah, his cousin, etc.)You mean Monica? And I agree, the last we heard of Micah was the Rebel storyline, and most of that was off screen - we only actually saw him briefly. Molly pretty much vanished between seasons too, I guess this is because they're just kids.

[Balthazar]

I think Heroes has badly lost it now. It just doesn’t have that spark anymore, storylines seem to jump all over the place, characters seem to change personality wise from episode to episode and how many times is Sylar going to decide he is going to change?

It would take a miracle for the show to become good again, I just seem to watch out of habit now. However I highly doubt Heroes will be back.

[Digifiend]

If it does get axed, they'll probably do what Buffy did and add an extra "season" (in this case, volume) in book form.

[Razor]

You mean Monica? And I agree, the last we heard of Micah was the Rebel storyline, and most of that was off screen - we only actually saw him briefly. Molly pretty much vanished between seasons too, I guess this is because they're just kids.

Yes, Monica. Even if they show Monica and Micah, etc. for one episode, it would be nice to get a closed storyline for these characters before they vanish again for good.

[Super Jeff]

Finnaly saw it and I have to say, this was the first finale since season 2 where I was able to enjoy it.

I liked Matt's and Tracey's part in the episode, no matter how breif they were. Peter's and Samuel's fight was awsome, it was nice to actually have a fight. We hadn't had one that epic since season 2.

Charlie's story played out just nicely, I was proud that Hiro let go of trying to "Fix" things.

Sylar trying to become a good guy was a little funny and I hope he actiually stays good this time. Im tired of it being back and forth.

Again..........claire no matter how useful she gets, she just has to ruin everything.

[Mr. Blue]

We also haven't seen the other triplet of Nikki and Tracy....if season 5 does happen, I wonder if we will.

As for Monica and Micah, it would be nice to have them appear a few times in season 5 to wrap up the series.

[Balthazar]

We also haven't seen the other triplet of Nikki and Tracy....if season 5 does happen, I wonder if we will.

As for Monica and Micah, it would be nice to have them appear a few times in season 5 to wrap up the series.

I am sure the other triplet is dead. Way back in Season 1 they stated it and again in Season 3.

[Mr. Blue]

I must have missed that part when they said it lol

[Balthazar]

I must have missed that part when they said it lol

I’m positive it was Jessica who was the other twin, but she died not sure how and that’s when Nikki (I think that’s the right one) started going mental and thinking she was her twin sister.

[Mr. Blue]

Jessica was Nikki's evil half.

I'm talking the third one of the triplet...the third one is Barbara

[Digifiend]

It's Barbara. Jessica was Niki's adoptive older sister.

[Mr. Pink]

I think Tracy is enough... she's too bad@$$ to be killed off... thats the only way Barbara would be needed cast wise... I hope they don't bring her in as the show is crazy enough with trying to squeeze in all the characters it already has

[Super Jeff]

Woah.....also no main character was killed in this finale!....or this season!

[Mr. Blue]

Other than Nathan....for this season, there was suppose to be a major death for one of the main characters but that never happened. Or maybe that has to do with the final goodbye of Nathan, perhaps?

[Super Jeff]

I didn't count Nathan as he technically died in season 3. But I did however enjoy the final moments between the two brothers before Nathan became Sylar again.

[Digifiend]

Other than Nathan....for this season, there was suppose to be a major death for one of the main characters but that never happened. Or maybe that has to do with the final goodbye of Nathan, perhaps?That must be who they meant, but yeah, he died last season, as Jeff pointed out.

[Super Jeff]

Makes you wonder if Sylar will stay good for season 5.

[Razor]

There'd have to be a bigger @$$hole than Sylar for that. By comparison, Sylar was a small timer compared to Peter's dad. Since he's gone, there'd have to be someone worse, otherwise they'll make (most likely) Sylar a temporary good guy, only to have him slip up for some reason or another.

[Digifiend]

Woah.....also no main character was killed in this finale!....or this season!Just saw Once upon a Time in Texas yesterday, the episode with Hiro revisiting Charlie, and the ending was a bit of a shocker - looks like Samuel killed Suresh! But you said no-one dies, so either it's undone later, as Charlie's death was, or you're wrong.

And next week's episode is pre-empted for the Winter Olympics, so I have to wait two weeks to find out what happens next... :(

[Digifiend]

Oh no! http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s1/heroes/news/a219684/nbc-close-to-cancelling-heroes.html

NBC has reportedly decided to cancel Heroes.

According to New York Magazine, the network made the decision because it is pleased with the new series it has ordered.

Earlier reports suggested that Heroes could returm for a final 13-episode season but executives have allegedly decided they no longer need the show because their new programmes are strong.

However, the network is allegedly considering producing a two-hour or four-hour movie to provide an ending for the franchise.

Greg Grunberg, who plays Matt Parkman in the show, recently admitted on Twitter that he does not know its future, saying: "Haven't heard anything official re: Heroes for next season. Hope it gets picked up."

NBC declined to comment.:(

[PowerRanger048]

Just bought Heroes Season 4. I love the Redemption arc so much!

[Mr. Blue]

Do not bump up old threads that are more than 3 months old please