Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Season 2 Discussion

[Fury Diamond]

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: Season 2

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(July 21, 1994 - May 20, 1995, 52 Episodes)

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Fury Diamond - Blue Ranger Gone Bad (http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showpost.php?p=417741&postcount=531)
Shing Meteoryte - The Power Transfer (http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showpost.php?p=417775&postcount=532)
Crimson Soul - Goldar's Vice Versa (http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showpost.php?p=417878&postcount=536)
Mr. Pink - Bloom Of Doom (http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showpost.php?p=421489&postcount=580)
Erik10101 - White Light
Mr. Silver - The Mutiny

Cast:
Tommy / White Ranger - Jason David Frank
Billy / Blue Ranger - David Yost
Kim / Pink Ranger - Amy Jo Johnson
Rocky / Red Ranger - Steve Cardenas
Adam / Black Ranger - Johnny Yong Bosch
Aisha / Yellow Ranger - Karan Ashley
Jason / Red Ranger - Austin St. John
Zack / Black Ranger - Walter Jones
Trini / Yellow Ranger - Thuy Trang

Questions:
If you saw the original primetime airing of "The Mutiny", what did you think?
What did you think about the Power Transfer? Did you feel that Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements for Jason, Zack, and Trini?
What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?
How did you feel about Tommy's new White Ranger powers and leadership role? Do you preffer Tommy as a White Ranger or Green Ranger?
How did you feel about Bulk & Skull's new mission to uncover the secret identity of the Power Rangers?
How did you feel when Rita Repulsa returned in 'The Wedding'?
How did you feel about the 'Return Of The Green Ranger' episodes?
How did you feel about Lord Zedd's newest, Serpentera?
What were your thoughts on 'Wild West Rangers'?
What was your favorite episode of Season 2?
With the Season 3 thread starting in a few days, any final thoughts on Season 2?
What did you think of the Opening Theme?

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[Fury Diamond]

If you saw the original primetime airing of "The Mutiny", what did you think?

[Quark]

If you saw the original primetime airing of "The Mutiny", what did you think?

"OMG i'm watching PR in the evening!"

[Hears All]

If you saw the original primetime airing of "The Mutiny", what did you think?

"Why was Zordon singing?"

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I had somehow missed the marketing blitz that prefaced Mutiny's premiere, so by sheer DUMB LUCK I turned on Fox the night Primetime Power Rangers debuted. I was confused as hell as to why this was on at night, but I knew from TV Guide that Lord Zedd was coming so I figured it just happened to be a sneak preview of the upcoming season and not the actual premiere. I was totally right!

Now, who can forget Don LaFontaine himself doing "PREVIOUSLY/NEXT TIME ON THE POWER RANGERS" in addition to the classic "last time" preface?

[Quark]

"Why was Zordon singing?"

Well, now I HAVE to post it:

Zordon Drunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI5Qm993QgE)

[bobtherandomguy]

great amounts of respect for his long time nemesis right there

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Well, now I HAVE to post it:

Alpha's laugh is still the best part of that, for me.

[Fury Diamond]

It was awesome watching it on primetime. The three episodes were hosted by the cast members and aired on Friday nights. What a great way to start the weekend? :)

The Mutiny episodes were great. Fantastic introduction of the Thunderzords and Lord Zedd...as well as Bulk and Skull's new mission of discovering the identities of the Power Rangers.

[Digifiend]

I don't suppose anyone has those continuity clips? The episodes themselves are easily found on Youtube, but I didn't even know the Rangers had presented any intros, except for the unaired pilot Austin and Walter introduced in 1999.

[Fury Diamond]

^ I can't remember if the cast members hosted the episodes as themselves or as their "characters" (like they did in the MMPR Fan Video).

[Huzzah]

I remember thinking, "Lord Zedd? That dude is kinda creepy...wow, they're stepping up the villainy this season."

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I don't think they ever really used names, but considering Bulk and Skull were there for EVERYTHING (right down to giving a dismissive response to "It's Morphin' Time!"), and they referred to their activities as Rangers in the first-person... I'd say it falls right on the periphery of continuity. Much like Funniest Moments, which somehow has Bulk and Skull interacting with Johnny Yong Bosch.

[Fury Diamond]

Here are some clips from The Mutiny:

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[O.92]

I would say the 2nd season was better than the first. And there's only one way to sum it all up:

JACOB!!

[AoBlue]

I remember reading that Jacob was supposably JDF's kid... is that true?

[Qarlf]

When I saw this season, I was really pleased. The Intro of Lord Zedd was amazing. To my knowledge can't really remember. Also the new zords transition was awesome. This was one of my favorite season. Bulk and Skull made it for me too.

[Thrax]

Awesome the MMPR S2 really awesome

The MMPR S2 change opening 3 times
New themes in the series
The Lord Zedd debut
when Zordon present Thunder zords to the rangers really epic
Thunder megazord is cool
Tommy lost is powers
Tommt becames the white rangers
Tiger zord
Thunder ultrazord
Power transfer
Serpentera Zedd zord
Jason,Trini e Zack live and Rocky,Aisha e Adam enter in PR
Zedd and Rita married
The return of the green ranger
White vs Green ranger

[Mutitis]

I showed my friend's 5 year-old son The Mutiny this past month (since he has been constantly rewatching the season 1 DVDs I made him) and it was a little sad because it all seemed exponentially less epic than it did back in the day. Not saying he wasn't engaged by it; he was very excited to watch the rest of the season afterwards. He just didn't like the Thunderzords too much and was indifferent to Lord Zedd's introduction. For some reason, he was more occupied with trying to figure out why he gave Goldar back his wings. And, in the middle of the first part, he flat out asked me: "Are they getting new Zords?"

I also saw these eps in prime time back in the day and that experience changed my life. I was a big fan before, of course, but there was something so larger-than-life about The Mutiny that no other season premiere has ever recaptured for me, not even Zeo's. It's because it held the element of genuine surprise. I had no knowledge of Sentai at the time, so I didn't see any of it coming (even though I had seen a picture of the Dairangers in some Hero magazine a few months prior).

Because of this, the Thunderzords will always have the best introduction for me. They were poles apart from their predecessors, which were rather clunky in comparison. Each one seemed so mysterious. Red Dragon in Warrior mode was colossal. (Alpha said it best: "Aye yi yi! What a Zord!") I also recall being equally intrigued and confused by the random painted mountain scenery used in the background during the Thunder Megazord's finisher.

The cockpit still aggravates me, though. It's always given me the impression that they were sitting in rolling office chairs.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

There's a REASON Mutiny seems so weak compared to other game-changing episodes and new Zord debuts, though. It's the trope-namer. Everything we came to associate wth these sorts of epic storylines begins there, and ultimately inures a young audience to understanding why it's so mammoth to older fans who saw it in first-run. Like most revolutionary things, it was so imitated that there's nothing much more than a REALLY decompressed origin for a Megazord in the eyes of a child. Indeed, a kid will probably be annoyed that it takes sixty-two episodes for the Thunder Megazord to roll out.

[Mutitis]

There's a REASON Mutiny seems so weak compared to other game-changing episodes and new Zord debuts, though. It's the trope-namer. Everything we came to associate wth these sorts of epic storylines begins there, and ultimately inures a young audience to understanding why it's so mammoth to older fans who saw it in first-run. Like most revolutionary things, it was so imitated that there's nothing much more than a REALLY decompressed origin for a Megazord in the eyes of a child. Indeed, a kid will probably be annoyed that it takes sixty-two episodes for the Thunder Megazord to roll out.

Oh, no doubt. I agree with you there. However, he hasn't seen much of the newer PRs, outside of (I think) a couple OOs and MFs that he's ran across at his grandparents', since he doesn't live in a cable household. He's been weened on MMPR for the most part. That's mainly why I was surprised.

He wasn't completely bored with it, though. He insisted that we watch more, and we wound up seeing up to "The Green Dream". He hardly talked through any of those eps.

On top of that, he was singing "99 bottles of slime on the wall..." the rest of the day. He really hopes that Rita comes back at some point. I didn't tell him anything. ;)

[Spider-Phoenix]

I love the "Mutiny arc".These episodes was my favorites for season two.

The way how the introduce the thunder zords was very good.

But i would like to see the heroes with the dairanger suits, but this little detail doesn't make the arc look bad.
I really like them!

[Beast King]

Oooh, Season 2 opened! Ok, First of all i completely love this season, cause it introduced an awesome new villain (Lord Zedd) and a new ranger (White) Although with cool shows, always comes some disappointment, Like, The thunderzords were awesome but they didn't last very long, 3 rangers getting replaced wasn't doing the best thing for me, and does anybody else feel they should have used the Dairanger suits at some point in S2?

[SirStack]

I don't suppose anyone has those continuity clips? The episodes themselves are easily found on Youtube, but I didn't even know the Rangers had presented any intros, except for the unaired pilot Austin and Walter introduced in 1999.

I'm pretty sure they only hosted part 1, but there were at least two segments featuring them (at the start and the end). I know the segments are still around in digital format in the fandom, so somebody will post them.

I recall the Rangers also did a hosting thing in prime time for TMNT 2 The Secret of the Ooze in November 93. But that one, I don't know if anyone still has.

[Thrax]

The Thunder Zords presentation by Zordon is awesome, the rangers outiside of Comamnd center and Zordon show them the Thunder Zords, really awesome

Serpentera the Zedd Zord the thunder Zords where like FLys close to her,
The new megazords, with the dragon in warrior mode really cool and the white tiger zord they always make awesome combination Tiger and Dragon thunder zords, Megatiger zord, tiger more the others thunderzord to make like happen with Dragonzord in MMPR S1

The most epic moment in MMPR S2 as Green ranger vs White ranger and Dragonzord vs Tigerzord, the rangers almost will destroy Dragonzord with the Thunder megazord

[Mutitis]

The most epic moment in MMPR S2 as Green ranger vs White ranger and Dragonzord vs Tigerzord, the rangers almost will destroy Dragonzord with the Thunder megazord

Those three eps were mighty painful...

[Beast King]

If this counts as part of season 2, I'd say a real Epic moment was when Rito destroyed the thunder zords, the American footage was amazing.

[Digifiend]

That's the fourth episode of season 3. Wish that had been the season 2 finale though.

[Jiemusu]

I preferred Rocky to Jason.

inb4 hate.

[ForeverBlue]

Ah, season 2 :) Season 2 was really good indeed. The premiere was a very good start for a very good change in the zords and also a new villain, Lord Zedd who replaced Rita for her failure to destroy the rangers.

[Jiemusu]

Lord Zedd who replaced Rita for her failure to destroy the rangers.

... and then followed by doing the exact same tactics.

Gotta love MMPR for it's nonsensical cheese.

[Archangel]

What can I say about season two? It still held the same corniness that the previous season possessed but gave us plenty of new surprises. The arrival of Lord Zedd...at the time, he was scary! I know parents complained about his character being too dark for a kids show but if it went that far, you knew he was something different from the previous bad lip synched sorceress. :P Speaking of which, I could bear seeing her again if she didn't go to all lengths to mess with the mind of Zedd with a love potion, lol.

Tommy also seemed to have a lot of time in this season. His powers slowly depleted when he wore green and it was painful, for me as a kid, to watch him grow weaker. However, he came back some episodes later as the new White Ranger and that was great. He was going to be a mainstay and while my feelings about him might have lessened now that I'm an adult, he was nearly everyone's favorite as a kid and we knew he was there to stay.

[Thrax]

Well this MMPR S2 have some thing i liked a lot

the rangers with the suits and with out helmets that as really cool
Goldar with wings

[O.92]

Tommy also seemed to have a lot of time in this season. His powers slowly depleted when he wore green and it was painful, for me as a kid, to watch him grow weaker.

I also found it painful, but only because the 'Tommy loses powers' episodes were pretty bad excluding one or two.

[Quark]

It was incorporated to every episode though, really. Until he lost his powers for good.

[Beast King]

Goldar with wingsGoldar had his wings in S1 Too.

[Huzzah]

Goldar had his wings in S1 Too.

They just mysteriously disappear...

[Archangel]

I also found it painful, but only because the 'Tommy loses powers' episodes were pretty bad excluding one or two.
Ehh they could have been done better, that's all I can really say. At least he went out with some blaze of glory, standing against Goldar and holding his own as well as freeing the dark rangers from Zedd's grasp.

[Thrax]

Zedd in this second season of PR, he is reallly focues to destroy Tommy powers and destroy all Rita mistakes

[Beast King]

Goldar kinda did nothing in S2, that's one reason why i feel his character changed a lot and he became a more comedic villain.

[Digifiend]

Especially once Rito appeared in season 3.

[Hears All]

Goldar kinda did nothing in S2, that's one reason why i feel his character changed a lot and he became a more comedic villain.

He did change, he became a joke. Look at Goldar during Green With Evil he was a badass, the same thing happened to Lord Zedd, he became a joke too

[Huzzah]

Rito and Goldar became the new Bulk and Skull...I laughed, but still for a great warrior (Goldar) and someone who actually destroyed the Thunder-Zords (Rito), there characters just got transformed completely...

But yeah, in Season 2, Goldar had a couple decent fights early in the season but as things progressed he just became "dumb lackey," a role once held by Squatt and Baboo...who pretty much began to disappear completely in Season 2...

[Crimson Soul]

For some reason, he was more occupied with trying to figure out why he gave Goldar back his wings.


Wait until he sees Goldar's Vice-Versa.

[Xerox]

I had no idea that "The Mutiny" aired during primetime, but I do remember once when I was a kid watching PR at this time of day. Was this the only episode to show during this time? If so, it apparently left quite an impact on my young mind.

[Jiemusu]

One thing that puzzles me.

Well Zedd clearly targeted the Green Ranger, that's fact. But what confuses me is that one minute he's going on about how he wants Tommy destroyed because he wants to remove any creation of Rita because it reminds him of her...

... yet other episodes he's going on about how Tommy should be converted back to the dark side to form another evil warrior. It contradicts.

Anyone else see this?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Wanting to destroy the Green Ranger as the last vestige of Rita's failure is sensible. Growing to respect Tommy as the months drag on because he stubbornly refuses to die, and thus wanting him to become Zedd's heir and top general is also sensible. The two goals aren't mutually exclusive. And once Zedd exhausted the last of Tommy's Green Ranger powers, he may well have felt he could repurpose the Green Ranger as his own elite fighting force. No longer a reminder of Rita's failures.

(yes, this is trying to reconcile very contradictory motives, but Zedd also fluctuates between wanting to CONQUER the world and DESTROY it)

[Jiemusu]

Wanting to destroy the Green Ranger as the last vestige of Rita's failure is sensible. Growing to respect Tommy as the months drag on because he stubbornly refuses to die, and thus wanting him to become Zedd's heir and top general is also sensible. The two goals aren't mutually exclusive. And once Zedd exhausted the last of Tommy's Green Ranger powers, he may well have felt he could repurpose the Green Ranger as his own elite fighting force. No longer a reminder of Rita's failures.

I thought that, but it seems that the continuity didn't quite flow, and it just randomly changed for various episodes back and forth. Might be wrong though.


(yes, this is trying to reconcile very contradictory motives, but Zedd also fluctuates between wanting to CONQUER the world and DESTROY it)

Hell, gotta admit, that's true.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Zedd's a man of fiery passions and his motives shift depending on his mood. I know my share of people with bipolar conditions, and Zedd isn't unlike them. When he's plotting and methodical, Zedd is a perfect opponent to Zordon. When he's irate and temperamental, he can be bested and out thought by pre-Machiavellian Tommy. The DUMB Tommy.

[Lonewolf92]

Still no villain (at least in the Saban era can't really speak for Disney too much) has even came close to the intensity and evil coolness that Pre-Wedding Lord Zedd brought.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Mesogog totally did. It also helps that, unlike Zeddy, Mes never backslid or lost his composure prior to his death. I mean, this is a man willing to turn Jupiter into a second sun just to change the climate on Earth as part of a long-term goal to create a race of dinosaur men. He ripped a plot off from an Arthur C. Clarke novel WHOLESALE.

(also, he wanted Kira because she had "fine bones... like a pterodactyl")

[bobtherandomguy]

that is both interesting and Highly disturbing at once

[Jiemusu]

Lol his delusion makes him more effective as a villain though.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

that is both interesting and Highly disturbing at once

This originated from Emma grousing at the second DT panel that Mesogog seemed to have a particular interest in capturing and tying up Kira. So I noted that, given she's so slight, she has pterodactyl-esque bone structure. Latham burst into delighted laughter. Emma shot me The Look. It was AWESOME.

[Digifiend]

Well she was a Pterodactyl Ranger! :lol:

[Fury Diamond]

Season 2 also introduces other side actors (Richie, Curtis..etc). What are your comments about these actors? Did you think any of them could've been the White Ranger?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

If they had wanted to get the show canceled, sure.

(god, that would have been the most UNSPEAKABLY BADASS FRANCHISE SUICIDE EVER)

[Mugenhunt]

I'm still thinking of a White Light where the White Ranger unmasks and reveals Brad Hawkins playing some guy the Rangers haven't met before.

Huh. There was a three episode gap between Tommy leaving as Green and returning as white. When did they decide that spinning JDF to Cybertron was a bad idea?

[Quark]

When did they decide that spinning JDF to Cybertron was a bad idea?

Probably when kids like myself forced their parents to call in and ask what happened to Tommy.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

In November of 1993.

Jason's notoriously bad memory is at play. Brad was NOT going to be the White Ranger. He was going to be Gold. Cybertron was in production BETWEEN the end of the first forty episodes of season one and the back twenty episodes. And then immediately scrubbed after the insane performance of Green With Evil and the commissioning of Zyu2. There was NO ONE ever going to be the White Ranger but Tommy. EVER.

[bobtherandomguy]

I'm sure by the time season 2 was on the air it had been decided to keep JDF on the show

[Mugenhunt]

Makes sense. JDF's account never seemed to fit the production schedule properly. There's nothing that would support introducing a new character to be a ranger in the timeframe shown. Which is a pity. I kinda liked the image I had of Brad Hawkins being eternally shafted in regards to PR.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

So, here's our timeline:

MMPR wraps production in the summer of 1993. Saban APPARENTLY had an agreement in place with Toei that if the show was successful, they might be ordering a spate of additional footage. Bandai had already alerted them Dairanger was unusable for the second season. Haim and Shuki, bolstered by finally getting an Ameritoku picked up, started work on adapting Metalder as Haim had wanted to for a decade. The project was given to JDF as a reward for his truncated run on Power Rangers. A Cybertron pilot is filmed in early fall for possible pickup the next year.

MMPR was a runaway, unstoppable superhit. Zyu2 is ordered, Jason is kicked back to Power Rangers, and Doug is transferred from story editor and showrunner of Cybertron to story editor of Power Rangers. Still wanting to adapt Metalder, but told by Fox executives that the show is far too violent to be adapted, Saban Ent. shifts their focus to syndication. Told repeatedly that all syndicators want is another team show like Power Rangers, Spielban is hamfistedly melded to Metalder to form the backbone of VR Troopers. Alerted that Bandai does not possess the master molds for these figures after a decade, Saban secures a toy license from Kenner.

As the Zyu2 episodes of season one wind down, VRT begins production and season two MMPR begins preproduction. This gives Doug enough time to continue his originally assigned story editing duties for Cybertron/VRT, but with Tony now promoted from MMPR's senior story editor to VRT's showrunner. Troopers was his REWARD for landing PR so successfully on the aircraft carrier Big Money.

There is no point in the PRODUCTION SCHEDULE where Brad Hawkins could have been cast as the White Ranger, because he was hired as Ryan Steele for the first VRT pilot (the one whose scenes were included in the original MMPR video cassettes) in WINTER OF 1993. VRT season one was still in production when season two MMPR started, albeit winding down at the time. They already had an episode commitment for the second season from the syndicators!

We have documentation and direct accounts from everybody under the sun concerning this. And we know for a fact Brad had been lined up to be Gold Ranger. Simple fact of the matter is, Jason has often been unapologetic his memory is as bad as Tommy's. This is something he is really wrong about, and he just keeps parroting it and confusing an already convoluted and nonsensical timeline. The months of October 1993 to August 1994 are a singularity for hardcore PR nerds. It's when Zyu2 and possible Zyu3 control art and Dairanger hacking and Kakuranger production and Cybertron and VR Troopers are all flying fast and furious and smashing into each other like the Large Hadron Collider. For fans like me, ANY scraps of information we can get relating to this point in time are goddamned rosetta stones. Misinformation doesn't help us.

[Mugenhunt]

It's easy to see where JDF got the idea from though. If he had stuck with Cybertron, it's possible that Brad Hawkins might have been cast in PR as say Replacement Green Ranger/New White Ranger. But that's just theory.

[Jacen Solo]

I seem to remember someone from VR guest starring on Power Rangers. Was that Brad?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It's easy to see where JDF got the idea from though. If he had stuck with Cybertron, it's possible that Brad Hawkins might have been cast in PR as say Replacement Green Ranger/New White Ranger. But that's just theory.

Oh, they'd have never replaced Tommy as Green Ranger. The whole point of MMPR Mania was Tommy. But I see your point, Jason may have considered the notion that -- as he must have no idea Zyu2 exists, few of the actors do -- the next season was just going to be the one with the White Ranger. Thus...

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I seem to remember someone from VR guest starring on Power Rangers. Was that Brad?

Sarah Brown was Heather, Brad was the voice of Trey. Michael Bacon never did anything on PR. Interestingly, the DAY Aaron Pruner got hired as Percy is the same day he tried out as Malcolm Frink on Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad.

[Lonewolf92]

CMRD Crayfish beat me to it

[PRangerX]

Sarah Brown was Heather, Brad was the voice of Trey. Michael Bacon never did anything on PR. Interestingly, the DAY Aaron Pruner got hired as Percy is the same day he tried out as Malcolm Frink on Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad.

Interestingly enough Brad and Sarah continue to act today. The actor who played JB hasn't really done anything mainstream since VR Troopers. If any acting jobs at all.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I believe Michael, much like his brother-from-another-ethnicity, Red Aquitian Ranger David Bacon, has retired, yes.

[PRangerX]

I believe Michael, much like his brother-from-another-ethnicity, Red Aquitian Ranger David Bacon, has retired, yes.

Its not surprising. These things happen in the acting bussiness.

[Jacen Solo]

Sarah Brown was Heather, Brad was the voice of Trey. Michael Bacon never did anything on PR. Interestingly, the DAY Aaron Pruner got hired as Percy is the same day he tried out as Malcolm Frink on Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad.

Oh yeah, Tommy's rebound.

But on the subject of Richie and Curtis, where exactly did they go after the whole White Ranger-red herring saga was over? Was it ever stated? (I guess Richie's subplot got on the plane with Trini, never to return.)

That being said, it never even occurred to me a new Ranger was even coming (I was a little guy at the time, mind you). I was still holding out hope that Tommy would return as Green and save the day with his powers back at full strength. I was kinda clueless like that.

[bobtherandomguy]

I'm sure these weren't my actual feelings at the time seeing as how I know I used to be a Tommy fan like everyone else, but I prefer thinking that at the time I hoped he would never come back and we would stick with the five person team

[O.92]

I felt that the three episodes between Tommy losing his powers and becoming the White Ranger were too short. More would have been nice and made Tommy's intro better, but I understand why they kept it so short.

[bobtherandomguy]

of course we needed our precious Deus Ex Machina ranger back

[Jacen Solo]

Those episodes were (probably not in this order) "Missing Green," "Orchestral Maneuvers in the Park," and "Beauty and the Beast," and I agree that there ought to have been a little more buildup to the White Ranger's intro. But speaking of those episodes, I sure did enjoy them! Jason's guilt about the Green Candle was finally addressed, seeing the Rangers on the beach fighting nothing was hilarious, and then Kim as Rita ... oh, those were the days. Nothing but cheese.

[O.92]

And that's why Tommy's return came too soon, because those 3 episodes were so good. 'White Light' was also great, but then the ball sort of dropped with episodes like 'The Ninja Encounter'.

[bobtherandomguy]

it was back to the original five again, and it felt good, I've never been a big fan of sixth rangers when re-watching the show and since Tommy was the first I blame him, oh sure as a red ranger, I'm alright with it, but I just think sixth rangers ruin team dynamics

[Lonewolf92]

it was back to the original five again, and it felt good, I've never been a big fan of sixth rangers when re-watching the show and since Tommy was the first I blame him, oh sure as a red ranger, I'm alright with it, but I just think sixth rangers ruin team dynamics

Sixth rangers work best when their only temporary in my opinion. They come in have their storyline join the team and then leave, lost their powers, die , whatever.

[Spider-Phoenix]

I usually to like Tommy but now i don't like him that much

I personally think another person as the White would be good, but it could work with the most of the fans

About six ranger, personally i prefer five, with a sixth member, but in MMPR's case i'd prefer seeing more of the original 5 together without Tommy

[Digifiend]

Sixth rangers work best when their only temporary in my opinion. They come in have their storyline join the team and then leave, lost their powers, die , whatever.Die? That happened in Sentai (it happened to Tommy's counterpart Burai) but never in PR.

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think about the Power Transfer? Did you feel that Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements for Jason, Zack, and Trini?

[Beast King]

They were awesome replacements, but the way the original three were just got rid of didn't feel right.

[Thrax]

Well the power transfer as good, but i think they should for a simple moment the other 3 talk about and dont make them quiet in the Power transfer

[Mr. Yellow]

What did you think about the Power Transfer? Did you feel that Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements for Jason, Zack, and Trini?

I hated every single one of them at first, but I got to see how they fit in and developed more. Adam is definitely my favorite, then Aishia, although still not a HUGE Rocky fan..

[O.92]

They were awesome replacements, but the way the original three were just got rid of didn't feel right.

Agreed. The constant 'Well, those 3 are off scuba diving' and 'Shift the camera onto Billy, Kim, and Tommy' things were pretty annoying.

[Mr. Yellow]

Agreed. The constant 'Well, those 3 are off scuba diving' and 'Shift the camera onto Billy, Kim, and Tommy' things were pretty annoying.

You knew something was up, because there was waay too much focus on these "three normal teens that just happened to be wearing, Red, Black and Yellow."

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?

[ForeverBlue]

What did you think about the Power Transfer? Did you feel that Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements for Jason, Zack, and Trini?


It was interesting to see it happen for a change. Yeah, they were the best idea replacements for the original 3.

[Digifiend]

Yes, pity Austin, Thuy and Walter were sacked on the spot instead of staying on long enough to film the transfer, then we wouldn't have had awkward things such as the wrong voices (due to the actors leaving before ADR was done), Zack's hairstyle changing back to how it used to be, Tommy wearing the wrong colour, and the team split down the middle. Nothing wrong with the new characters, but the departures of Jason, Trini and Zack wasn't handled well at all.

Blimey, I seem to have answered the new question before I even saw it!

[AoBlue]

I think had Saban been able to at least come to an agreement with Austin, Thuy and Walter about a proper exit for their characters and they all agreed, that the ADR work in episodes after "Welcome To Venus Island" for them wouldn't have been as awkward. Likewise to footage of them after "Opposites Attract". Thus the transfer wouldn't have looked so bad. Once "The Ninja Encounter, Part 1" started, you could tell there was going to be a change. Not to mention Rocky, Adam and Aisha wearing the colors of their predecessors as if they were already Rangers.

[Jiemusu]

What did you think about the Power Transfer? Did you feel that Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements for Jason, Zack, and Trini?

Well. I think of it this way.

Zack's characteristics were that of a streetwise person, the class clown, a number two backing a figurehead, and the second in command

Jason's character was that of the leader, who was serious and impulsive.

Trini's character was that of the backbone, as well as the spiritual, calm, shy/reserved, and the best friend.


Obviously when Tommy became leader, that was taken away from Jason, and Jason took the second in command from Zack.


Zack's streetwise characteristic = given to Aisha

Zack's class clown characteristic = given to Rocky

Zack's number two characteristic = given to Rocky

Zack's second in command characteristic = given to Jason, then Kim after the transfer.


Jason's leader characteristic = given to Tommy

Jason's impulsive characteristic = given to Kim

Jason's serious characteristic = given to Adam


Trini's backbone characteristic = given to Billy

Trini's spiritual characteristic = given to Adam

Trini's shy and reserved characteristic = given to Adam

Trini's best friend characteristic = given to Aisha.

Trini's calm characteristic = given to Billy


So really, it pretty much balanced anyway.

In regards to how I, as an individual fan, felt towards the individual replacements themselves then and now... well.


Adam

Never really saw anything interesting in this guy as the black ranger, and still don't. There's just, nothing there. It just felt like they tried to bring in a male Trini but change the colour so it wasn't "racist". They tried to apply characteristics that worked on a female to a male in my opinion, and I just didn't see it come off right in my eyes.

Considering the badass, active solo stuff Zack did in the spotlight, we get presented with someone just to fill the suit who... episodes would just trail on and on without him barely even saying a single word or doing anything interesting what so ever. He was a waste of a character, he just stood at the back and mindless morphed with the bandwagon. The two focus episodes he DID get were the next 2 after the transfer itself, and after that he became a vacant character apart from a crush he had in an episode that wasn't even about him (Return Of A Green Ranger), and both his actual focus episodes were emo episodes about him whining about something or being depressed about something. THAT was the focus into his character? Good lord. I missed Zack as black, and Trini as the spiritual shy one. They rolled parts of both these interesting characters into this dull one?

Also the fact that he actually needed to return and make a comeback, as well as carry on as a different colour, JUST so he wouldn't be remembered as dull during his black duration, well... that rates him down for me. If you don't get it done during your duration, well... you shouldn't have to rely on comebacks. Simple as.

Yawn.


Rocky

Gotta admit, seeing how impressive Jason handled things, at the time I found it madness getting rid of him, and I didn't feel the vibe from Rocky that Jason gave of, and Rocky seemed a bit cheesy. Probably because Jason was a figurehead of the squad as opposed to Zack and Trini, and you familiarize the show with the figureheads. In time though, I began to see it in a different light.

Jason was who he was in MMPR because he was the leader, when he wasn't the leader in MMPR, it seemed like he wasn't anything interesting. Tommy was the leader now. Jason never got girls or development in MMPR, and because of that he became a clone to fill a suit when he lost his leadership, he became... well dull. Rocky was a nice refreshing change after I got used to him. It's pretty much the opposite of Zack being changed to Adam, interesting being removed for dull. With Jason to Rocky the opposite led to the dull being changed to the interesting. Rocky still remains one of my favorite characters, because it felt like he gave the squad some flavour, a colour, and he was realistic too. I liked Rocky because he could goof off and mess around, knew how to have fun, but could turn on the serious and be a useful ally with his arsenal when he needed to. No, he probably wasn't as good at his duties as Jason, but he was far more interesting and that's why I prefer him to Jason as a character.


Aisha

Wasn't happy to see Trini go to be honest, she was my favorite of the MMPR originals, but I tried getting used to Aisha. If I'm honest, she was the first of the replacements that I got used to first (well I only got used to 2, really). Not much to say really, I like Aisha, she had intuition, confidence, innovation. She saved them all before she was even a ranger, she came up with plans, it was great to have someone like her on the team. I thought Aisha was a great ranger, even though a part of me still missed Trini.

[Jiemusu]

What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?

Honestly, as a kid watching it, I was fooled. Now I think it was poorly handled. Not just what they did itself, but how they did it. Repeating the same stock footage in the same episode, for example.


Zack's hairstyle changing back to how it used to be,

Oh god, I hated that so much. It completely screwed with the continuity.


Tommy wearing the wrong colour,

Wasn't a problem for me, I mean he wore green in The Wedding even when Rocky, Adam and Aisha were rangers.

His ancestor, White Stranger, wore green on his hat.

His Tom clone wore green (obviously) and the rest of the squad didn't notice anything strange about it at all, that tells me that Tommy occasionally liked to still wear green, and they knew about that, so it wasn't strange to them that he was wearing it then.

Hell he even wore green in Zeo, when he was the red ranger.

He just likes the colour, I guess.

I mean Zack wore far more orange as the black ranger, than any green Tommy wore when he was the white ranger.


and the team split down the middle.

That happened throughout almost every episode of MMPR.

Red, yellow and black were always on one side.

White/green, pink and blue were always on the other.

You just have to look at the combined poses or stands of all 6 in battle, this nearly always happened.

It even happened in MMPR1, it even happened in MMPR3.

[Hears All]

What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?

Worst decision ever...the voice overs and stand-ins were both terrible!!

[bobtherandomguy]

Tommy wearing Green made enough sense, he was still transitioning into a new color, and why does a ranger need to wear their ranger color anyway. I've never thought rangers should change the color they wore after a power switch or something, it just seems like it would be suspicious, I can almost see Zordon yelling at the rangers for being morons and wearing their ranger colors all the time

[Jiemusu]

I swear there were even episodes where Adam didn't even wear green in Zeo.

Or Kat didn't wear pink in MMPR.

[Beast King]

What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?I agree with many people here, when i say it was bad.

[Mr. Yellow]

What did you think of the usage of old footage to show Jason, Zack, and Trini in their final episodes?

Honestly, the first couple of times I saw the episodes, being a young, uninformed kid and all, I really didn't notice the stock footage. Although, they did fairly well scrambling around slipping in footage here and there. As someone who has edited videos together, I can see how they did it.

But overall, no.

[bobtherandomguy]

Jiemusu I must say your evaluations of the new rangers are pretty accurate especially fan favorite Adam and his basic lack of well anything during MMPR, I don't think I could like Aisha due to her extreme similarities to Kim, Rocky I'd say was my favorite new ranger in season two and I don't think even he held a candle to the originals

[Jacen Solo]

I do think Adam, Rocky, and Aisha were ideal replacements even if they weren't necessarily the best replacements. I'm not sure what it was about Adam that made him my favorite of the three; possibly the fact that I was a lot like him, more content to stand on the sidelines, along with the insecurities he faced in the first few episodes. They could have really turned those things into a nice story arc for Adam.

Aisha and Rocky especially brought new personality to the team, or fresh blood as they say. Rocky was a lot of fun (I remember in his "fun" episode when Serpentera was flying across the moon, thinking it was Rocky, playing in his Thunderzord), and Aisha's compassionate nature was very attractive.

I appreciated how while Rocky, Adam, and Aisha replaced Red, Black, and Yellow, they didn't try to replace Jason, Zack, and Trini (though as Thrax has mentioned, it would have been nice to mention them every now and then; they did for a few episodes but were never mentioned again until Jason returned as Gold).

As for the transition footage, I suppose they did the best they could given the circumstances. Still pretty bad, though (though when I was little I wasn't really sure what was going on, only that the Rangers sounded weird).

[Jiemusu]

Rocky was never going to match Jason though, even if he tried, that's the sad thing. It was a losing battle from the start. Not because Jason was "really great" or anything like that, but just because Tommy was classed as the leader before Rocky joined, and leading wasn't in Rocky's character, it was just something that he was sorta "pushed into" at the time and tried to do his best. Personally, I think he did an alright job filling in, but alot of people rate the character down just because he wasn't the leadership type, which I feel is pretty harsh because they're effectively bashing someone for being something they're obviously weren't supposed to be, and thus weren't. He had too much pressure to be something he wasn't. You can't really compare Rocky to Jason because they're too different. So many Youtube comments with stuff like "HE'S OK BUT HE'S NOT JASON". Er... of course he's not, it's a different character entirely, duh, seriously.

Trini and Aisha are weird because they're both so unbelievably different and both equally useful in different ways. I personally never saw Aisha as similar to Kim, I must admit, because I saw Kim as the ditzy one that always used to panic and scream the obvious, where I saw Aisha as highly initiative, innovative and streetwise.

Adam though, it just felt like a downgrade. I mean I understand that other replacements contrast with who they replaced, Rocky differed from Jason, Aisha was entirely different from Trini, Kat was very different from Kim, that's fine, but... I found it difficult to compare Adam to Zack because I just didn't feel like Adam even had anything to compare. He didn't... DO anything. Trini was the quiet spiritual Asian but at least she performed some kind of purpose. Adam, nothing. That's why I felt it was a downgrade.

[Mugenhunt]

Adam suffered from Trini syndrome, that being a reserved character means you get no attention or character development. I liked Adam, because I was also a kinda reserved kid at the time. Rocky was just... he was okay. I honestly felt that Rocky was more "just there" than anyone else, because it took them so long to figure out a personality for him. Adam was the quiet one, but Rocky couldn't be the leader since that was Tommy now.

I loved Aisha instantly though. She was great.

[Mr. Yellow]

Adam suffered from Trini syndrome, that being a reserved character means you get no attention or character development. I liked Adam, because I was also a kinda reserved kid at the time. Rocky was just... he was okay. I honestly felt that Rocky was more "just there" than anyone else, because it took them so long to figure out a personality for him. Adam was the quiet one, but Rocky couldn't be the leader since that was Tommy now.

I loved Aisha instantly though. She was great.

I always figured Rocky was there to keep Jason's clothes warm... looked like he bought his entire wardrobe.

[Jiemusu]

Adam suffered from Trini syndrome, that being a reserved character means you get no attention or character development. I liked Adam, because I was also a kinda reserved kid at the time. Rocky was just... he was okay. I honestly felt that Rocky was more "just there" than anyone else, because it took them so long to figure out a personality for him. Adam was the quiet one, but Rocky couldn't be the leader since that was Tommy now.

I loved Aisha instantly though. She was great.

Hang on, what gave you the idea they took ages to figure out Rocky's personality?

It was pretty much obvious with "Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" which was like the 3rd (I think) episode after the transfer.

They decided his character pretty early.


I always figured Rocky was there to keep Jason's clothes warm... looked like he bought his entire wardrobe.

What, red clothes lol? Yeah there's kinda an obvious reason for that.

I don't see how Rocky's clothes specifically copied Jason's apart from the fact they're the same colour.

If they were a similar style, it's because those clothes were popular around that time. It wasn't just Jason and Rocky that wore them, it just happens that they were both the same colour.

Jason didn't invent the fashion.

[Mugenhunt]

Hang on, what gave you the idea they took ages to figure out Rocky's personality?

It was pretty much obvious with "Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" which was like the 3rd (I think) episode after the transfer.

They decided his character pretty early.

It didn't stick though.

We had one episode with Rocky as the Funny One, and then a season and a half of bland Rocky before they realized that Funny Rocky works. For most of Season Two, Rocky doesn't really do anything. You're letting your knowledge of what his character evolved into color your memories of the actual episodes.

(And in a related note, "Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" was originally written for Jason, and just had the names swapped for Rocky. Imagine that.)

[Jiemusu]

It didn't stick though.

We had one episode with Rocky as the Funny One, and then a season and a half of bland Rocky before they realized that Funny Rocky works. For most of Season Two, Rocky doesn't really do anything. You're letting your knowledge of what his character evolved into color your memories of the actual episodes.

(And in a related note, "Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" was originally written for Jason, and just had the names swapped for Rocky. Imagine that.)

The reason was, which I said before, was because Rocky was pressured and throw into a role which wasn't suited to his character. His character was the comic relief, but the role he was pressured and thrown into was that of a serious second in command, because of that it created friction, hence why parts of Rocky's character appeared to cancel each other out along the way.

I'm not letting my knowledge of what the character became colour my memory of the episodes. Rocky's character WAS decided, but his role ended up conflicting with it, that was the problem. Hence why it was always going to be a losing battle for him. Post 101

[Xerox]

But on the subject of Richie and Curtis, where exactly did they go after the whole White Ranger-red herring saga was over? Was it ever stated? (I guess Richie's subplot got on the plane with Trini, never to return.)


I think other than serving as red herrings for the White Ranger (which I actually didn't detect at all), Richie and Curtis were created to give some outside access to the lives of Trini and Zack, respectively. A love interest for Trini, a relative for Zack. However, once those two left the show, these characters were axed.

[Mr. Yellow]

Did anyone else think it was Curtis' actor doing the voiceovers for Zack when Walter was MIA? Or has this been confirmed..?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I'm pretty sure that got confirmed years ago, yes.

[Jiemusu]

Richie and Curtis were there to fill the empty void of Tommy leaving the show as green, so that the show didn't feel or look like it was going backwards. Richie was already there, but Curtis got introduced in the arc where Tommy lost his Green Ranger powers.

Once Tommy returned as white, there wasn't any reason to keep them on as Trini would be leaving anyway.

They were never supposed to be red herrings for the White Ranger, at all. They were to add a few faces to fill the gap Tommy left.

[Mr. Yellow]

Richie and Curtis were there to fill the empty void of Tommy leaving the show as green, so that the show didn't feel or look like it was going backwards.

Once Tommy returned as white, there wasn't any reason to keep them on as Trini would be leaving anyway.

They were never supposed to be red herrings for the White Ranger, at all.

I thought, this is great Trini is finally going to start having a romance and her character will develop a bit more, she might even get Billy to commit, but nope apparently Richie went to the Peace Conference with her and Curtis went with Zack. Meanwhile, who did Jason bring?

[Mugenhunt]

There's no point in introducing characters to fill the void of Tommy being not-Green anymore when he's coming back in three episodes as White. They just wanted to increase the supporting cast.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

They were never supposed to be red herrings for the White Ranger, at all. They were to add a few faces to fill the gap Tommy left.

You need to stop making declarative statements when doing a cursory amount of information trolling would tell you THE WRITERS OF THOSE EPISODES HAVE FLAT OUT SAID THEY WERE RED HERRINGS. It is your worst trait, by far. You act significantly more learned than you are.

[Jiemusu]

Seeing as you're self declaring yourself as someone that is apparently all knowing and universally right and wise all the time, for the sake of your ego or whatever, and then picking me up for my apparent "bad traits". Care to prove the writers flat out said it?

If not, cut out the attitude and personal bashing.

If I'm wrong, I'll happily admit. But you have no right to behave like a prick about it just because someone is sharing their views in a discussion that perhaps you either don't agree with or aren't correct (which, get this, aren't always the same thing). You handle things like a mindless, rampaging, angry beast instead of a mature, sophisticated adult.

Arrogance, that's your worst trait, by far.

Personal bashing isn't fun, is it?


I thought, this is great Trini is finally going to start having a romance and her character will develop a bit more, she might even get Billy to commit, but nope apparently Richie went to the Peace Conference with her and Curtis went with Zack. Meanwhile, who did Jason bring?

I too was rooting for some Trini/Richie romance as well.

If only Thuy didn't protest for money, she could have hung on and ended up making up for the low pay by getting more money later.

Still, given the time and moment, I can understand her reasoning.

Also Jason brought Tommy lol.


There's no point in introducing characters to fill the void of Tommy being not-Green anymore when he's coming back in three episodes as White. They just wanted to increase the supporting cast.

It gives the fans something to last on or think about until White Light, to keep them occupied.

I mean as kids how were we supposed to know it would only be 3 episodes? We didn't, not really.

Going back to just the original 5 without any persistent allies, well, the show would just appear to be either staying still or going backwards, they needed to spice things up until the final flavour came.

[AoBlue]

The Trini/Richie thing was cute and innoceny. i really had room to grow had Thuy stayed long enough.

[Jiemusu]

Thing is, both of them were pretty shy, too shy. Which leads me to fear that the attraction probably wouldn't have really got past flirting had she stayed on.

UNLESS, they were both pulled in or dropped in a situation where they had to work together to help each other for a prolonged period of time, in which case something occurring from that is almost guaranteed. They'll continue to be shy around others but, when they were together, it was like they both came together to form a whole new person, an entirely different person, one that wasn't shy, one that was created during their prolonged experience together over time, with each other.

[Hears All]

I felt Trini got robbed in S2, she got no focus episodes! I think the writers had some kind of hint that some cast members were going to leave

[Lonewolf92]

I felt Trini got robbed in S2, she got no focus episodes! I think the writers had some kind of hint that some cast members were going to leave

Did Zack have any season 2 focus episodes other than Putty on the Brain?

[johnson365]

I think the writers had some kind of hint that some cast members were going to leave

Sometime mentioned this a while ago, but, during one of the openings, they only showed the Morphing Sequences of Billy, Kim and Tommy...which, I guess, was supposed to be another subtle clue. :)

[Hears All]

Sometime mentioned this a while ago, but, during one of the openings, they only showed the Morphing Sequences of Billy, Kim and Tommy...which, I guess, was supposed to be another subtle clue. :)

Really? do you know which episode?

[Jiemusu]

Did Zack have any season 2 focus episodes other than Putty on the Brain?

Orchestral Manuvours in the Park, possibly.

[johnson365]

Really? do you know which episode?

Actually, once Season 2 began; that was part of their new opening intro. :)

MMPR Season 2 Intro with Billy, Kimberly and Tommy's Morphs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd55-7ZCK7A)

The sequence starts at 0:47. :)

[Jiemusu]

Sometime mentioned this a while ago, but, during one of the openings, they only showed the Morphing Sequences of Billy, Kim and Tommy...which, I guess, was supposed to be another subtle clue. :)

It was actually me that mentioned that.

http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showthread.php?p=377807#post377807

Not only that, but I also said that during things like the Thunder Megazord being activated, even calling the Thunderzords, or simply jumping into battle, you began to hear Kim and Billy's voice clearly louder and more distinctive over time than the rest.


If it helps, Austin St John had thoughts about wanting to leave the show anyway, even before Tommy was white, or before he was fired. And MMPR2 aired after Austin had left, hence subtile clues such as Tommy, Kim and Billy's morphing sequences being shown in the opening only.


It's also probably worth noting that throughout the WHOLE of season 2, emphasis is shown in production that leads to Kim and Billy slowing getting more spotlight, with Zack, Trini and Jason slowly drifting in the background.

Example would be, when they morph and roll into action on the screen, or they call on their thunderzords, or activate the thunderzord, even when Tommy is green, you'll hear Kim or Billy's voices over the others, and in some cases you'll just hear Billy and Kim's voice.

It was the production's team preparing people for the inevitable chance, same with them morphing in the opening.

It tells me that Austin, Walter and Thuy were heading for the conference even when season 2 possibly began filming, or at least some way through it.

Also does anyone notice how, occasionally in the command centre or the field. It's always TOMMY, KIM AND BILLY on one side and JASON, ZACK AND TRINI on the other, a complete divide. Going through past episodes, even in season 1, I'm constantly seeing this.

This was something that was building up for a while now.

[johnson365]

It was actually me that mentioned that.

Really? Cool! :) I remembered somebody from this board mentioning that, but couldn't remember who.


Not only that, but I also said that during things like the Thunder Megazord being activated, even calling the Thunderzords, or simply jumping into battle, you began to hear Kim and Billy's voice clearly louder and more distinctive over time than the rest.

There was another time where you saw one of the other three Rangers' heads moving, giving us the illusion that they were supposed to be speaking, but there was no sound. :lol:

Yeah, during the re-watch of Season 2, it was so obvious that Jason, Zack and Trini's days were definitely numbered.

[Hears All]

That morph sequence is very interesting, I never noticed that before, thanks for posting it :D

[johnson365]

That morph sequence is very interesting, I never noticed that before, thanks for posting it :D

You're welcome! :)

[Jiemusu]

I noticed that season 1 and season 2 have an 8 slot slideshow after the ranger introductions and before Bulk and Skull.

As follows:

Season 1

1) Zack morph
2) Kim morph
3) Billy morph
4) Trini morph
5) Jason morph
6) Tyrannosaurus Dinozord
7) Mastodon Dinozord
8) Triceratops Dinozord

Season 2

1) Griffin Thunderzord
2) Lion Thunderzord
3) Firebird Thunderzord
4) Unicorn Thunderzord
5) Red Dragon Thunderzord
6) Kim morph
7) Billy morph
8) Tommy morph (green/white)

It always involved either morphs or zords, one was 3 and the other was 5.

Interestingly enough, they changed this for season 3.

But it makes you wonder how the sequence would have changed with all possible outcomes of season 2.

Also before Tommy came white, the Thunderzords made noises during their slides, as you'll see in the video above.

Plus when the replacements came in, Kim and Billy's morph doesn't change to the all body shot.

[AoBlue]

I felt Trini got robbed in S2, she got no focus episodes! I think the writers had some kind of hint that some cast members were going to leave

Thuy injured herself doing a stunt so that's why she wasn't seen as much in S2 and why she was sitting down mostly.

[Jacen Solo]

The closest Trini probably had to a focus episode was "Welcome to Venus Island," and that was really more about Tommy. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed Trini in that episode.

[Spider-Phoenix]

Yeah, Trini got almost no love in the season two.I was just a bit sad because, Jason, Zack and Trini had to leave in that times.

[O.92]

How did you feel about Tommy's new White Ranger powers and leadership role? Do you preffer Tommy as a White Ranger or Green Ranger?

[AoBlue]

I didn't really like him as White Ranger, I've always prefered him in Green than any other color. As for leadership... eh, he was okay.

[Thrax]

Well i liked a lot of Tommy he is awesome ranger but i liked more Tommy in Green ranger, well in White ranger he is good, because when we becames white ranger dont much thing happen with him in White ranger

[Hears All]

How did you feel about Tommy's new White Ranger powers and leadership role? Do you preffer Tommy as a White Ranger or Green Ranger?

Tommy was amazing in both roles! Its to hard for me to choose which one I liked more :p

[Huzzah]

I liked the White Ranger a little more, just cuz it was new and different...as far as leadership goes, I really think that role should've gone to someone else...someone like Billy...I mean I know it wouldn't happen, but just because someone is stronger than the others (power wise) doesn't automatically make them leader material...

[Fury Diamond]

I actually preferred Tommy as the Green Ranger but he has proved himself to be the appropriate leader for the Rangers.

[Huzzah]

I've just never been a Tommy fan...I dunno...he never really clicked with me...

[O.92]

I knew there was a lot of love for the MMPR Green Ranger out there (as notably seen by cosplayers), but I prefferred Tommy as the White Ranger. By a long shot. The powers were cooler, his leadership character was great, and I just enjoyed the storylines better with him as the White Ranger. Probably because it wasn't always about "Tommy, your powers are weakening. Will you choose to sit out or not?"

[Mr. CD]

Wasn't a fan of White Ranger!Tommy. Mainly because that was when he became God Ranger.

[Huzzah]

Wasn't a fan of White Ranger!Tommy. Mainly because that was when he became God Ranger.

But Tommy is a PR god...I mean he is the sole reason that PR still exists...he's the Zordon of the PRU now that Zordon is long dead...I mean he never did any wrong, he was the ultimate leader, ultimate person, ultimate Ranger, ultimate everything...GO TOMMY GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way...I am being a bit sarcastic...

[Lonewolf92]

Tommy as the White Ranger clicked better with me as a kid but now I'll go for Green Ranger Tommy since he was more underplayed then.

[Jacen Solo]

Green Ranger Tommy seemed more worn down, more depressed (and small wonder, given what was happening to his powers), and more reserved. White Ranger Tommy was much more confident and happy. (It goes without saying, I guess, but I thought I'd point it out.)

As far as my own preference, I'd have to say I enjoyed Tommy as Green Ranger more. As our friend Lonewolf just pointed out, he was underplayed, yes, and for that very reason it seemed his story arc was more intriguing than when he ... well, became the whole show.

[Quark]

Green Tommy was alot cooler, and frankly, more interesting to watch on screen. He had a real presence in late season 1 and early season 2. He was the trump card, and you knew things were grim if they called him in. Plus, Tommy losing his powers just added an interesting dynamic to every episode. Morphing was a big deal, and even then you were left wondering if his powers would give in the middle of a fight.

[Huzzah]

Green Ranger Tommy seemed more worn down, more depressed (and small wonder, given what was happening to his powers), and more reserved. White Ranger Tommy was much more confident and happy. (It goes without saying, I guess, but I thought I'd point it out.)

As far as my own preference, I'd have to say I enjoyed Tommy as Green Ranger more. As our friend Lonewolf just pointed out, he was underplayed, yes, and for that very reason it seemed his story arc was more intriguing than when he ... well, became the whole show.

Seriously, he became the Fonzie (or Wolverine in the case of Marvel) of the PR world...it could've been re-named Tommy and his Power Rangers...

[Jacen Solo]

Green Tommy was alot cooler, and frankly, more interesting to watch on screen. He had a real presence in late season 1 and early season 2. He was the trump card, and you knew things were grim if they called him in. Plus, Tommy losing his powers just added an interesting dynamic to every episode. Morphing was a big deal, and even then you were left wondering if his powers would give in the middle of a fight.

The show did lose that particular dramatic feel after Tommy became White, didn't it? Come to think of it, it wasn't until Kimberly's power loss arc in season 3 (which is, by the way, my absolute favorite, coz she got quite the sendoff!) that we got that dramatic undertone again.

Well, except for the Thunderzord destruction. But that's another story.

[sakurashizune]

Tommy in general is a PR legend, but I think I liked him as Green Ranger better. He seemed more powerful, Dragonzord looked cool, compare it to White, white tiger for me was ugly a Saba or Zaba, his sword, everytime he talked it was a bit annoying for me.

[Digifiend]

Yes Jacen, save that Thunderzords thought for the season 3 thread. :)

Tommy had some good focus episodes as green - largely thanks to the power problems he had, but thanks to the introduction the of Thunderzords, Dragonzord saw little use in season 2. But when White fought Green, all US footage, Dragonzord vs Tigerzord, that was epic. I didn't notice at the time, but the Tigerzord cockpit footage was recycled a lot. Didn't have that problem as Green (largely because he usually remotely controlled Dragonzord).

[ForeverBlue]

How did you feel about Tommy's new White Ranger powers and leadership role? Do you preffer Tommy as a White Ranger or Green Ranger?

I'm the same as Hears All...I liked him both as the Whilte Ranger and Green Ranger. He did great in both and did well as a leader. Its hard to choose which one I liked him better as.

[Jiemusu]

How did you feel about Tommy's new White Ranger powers and leadership role? Do you preffer Tommy as a White Ranger or Green Ranger?

White Ranger.

I'll tell you why.

As a kid, I won't lie, I found the Green Ranger cool. It was the concept of the 5 originals always doing their thing but with a new ally who served on the sidelines, who wasn't strickly part of the team but was there for them as a wildcard. It worked, when the first 5 got in a bad situation, Tommy was always on the outside to help. When they're all in the battle together and all get into situation, who's gona help them then?

But after analysing it, Tommy was an unbelievably lazy Green Ranger that did nothing when he became good aside from a few random bursts here and there, I mean as a general overview of the Green Ranger duration. All 6 are hanging out, Tommy leaves because he wants to do his lonely tough guy crap and bails on his friends, the other 5 morph into battle, Tommy is still doing his own thing, then when he's called into battle he doesn't even fight... he morphs, plays a few notes into a flute and parks up a chair, he missed out on all the fighting before and doesn't even pilot the zord like the other rangers do, it's the most half assed, lazy effort any ranger has made in the whole franchise, period. He gets too much praise for it. And if you notice, he never really said "Morphing Time" before Green Candle, in fact he never did until Green Candle itself, because he wasn't putting any effort in.

Ok so the concept of him losing his powers suddenly spirred him on, and as we see he finally puts some effort into it. He says "Morphin Time", he even jumps into his cockpit, finally the good Green Ranger finally pits some zing into his battles, but it was obviously too late at the time. When he finally gets into it, his powers are apparently no more. But yet he gets called back later on to take the powerless Dragon coin, have it recharged, and become a short term Green Ranger for one small mission just to get the other coins. He acts surprised, sure, but he obviously agrees because he'd like to help out in any way he can. After an act of bravery, the energy forcefield around the power coins regenerates his own powers, extending the duration alot but still they remain short term and would eventually fade.

After that, we see a different Green Ranger over time. One that contrasts to the passive, lazy and latecoming personality of his previous Green Ranger days, because this new Green Ranger is egar, active, no longer pulling the loner attitude and remains with his friends even when duty calls, more confident and outspoken, closer to everyone, clearly his time away helped build his character after he lost something he couldn't have at the time (Green Ranger powers). It's well known psychology that people hardly ever want something if it's already there, but they only end up wanting it more or putting more effort into wanting/keeping it when it goes. Well, that happened, but Tommy got it back, so he's thrilled, but the powers are failing... which eventually led to a depressed emo Tommy pretty much every Green MMPR2 episode, I couldn't stand it, it was a dragged on storyline that was way overdone, way overdone. I didn't like this Tommy. He was weak and pathetic.

However, once Tommy was gone after his powers completely gave out, Jason had began to suffer related insecurities within about his leadership. Zordon couldn't afford to have an insecure leader, and the nearest person to Jason in terms of natural leadership intuition and confidence at the time, a figurehead, someone that was kinda like Jason yet modified... was always Tommy, the two were practically like brothers (and in fact in Zyuranger, they were obviously) so it made sense that Zordon needed to bring Tommy back to relieve Jason. Zordon also knew that Tommy could seriously mess shizzle up when he was the Evil Green Ranger, but when he turned to their side, it appeared that the powers were only accelerated by the evil spell, and they were much weaker good, after the candle business they were almost useless. Zordon wanted to return Tommy to the prime he once was, but for the side of good, and for that he had to make him the most powerful ranger there has ever been under his own creation, the White Ranger. Tommy was also someone that had experience as a ranger, and who the others trusted, it worked out.

I actually prefer Tommy as the White Ranger because he didn't pull lonely tough guy crap; he stuck with his team, no constant depressing emo episodes; he was a leader that was happy and optimistic all the time (unlike Jason), more powerful than he has ever been good; which like or hate it got the job done.

I prefer Tommy as White to Green because he's more interesting as White.
Plus if you look at it, Tommy actually did better AS White than he did as Green, and I think that's basically the key.

Do I prefer his leadership to Jason's? Difficult to say, they both have different styles. In Tommy's defence I will say that he didn't feel the need to make leadership every single significant part of his character like Jason, to the point where he was naked without leadership, Tommy's approach was far more relaxed, and it felt he could pass things onto others if they chose to step up themselves. Where as Jason kinda needed "total control", and Zack only really filled in when Jason wasn't there.

Tommy, although godmodded above the rest, seemed more like a team player to me in reference to the others. Acting more like their friend off the field and seemely tried to treat them as equals off the field. Yes on field he talked alot over others and perhaps gave alot of orders or commands, but that's what leaders too, alot of leaders don't do anything; leave it to another squad member to be forced to step up; or they ask everyone for advice. Tommy took risks, he knew the risks, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't. I will say that, for me, MMPR became less generic when Tommy was in the leadership role and the transfer had happened.

And yes, as I said, Tommy allowed his team to speak up more freely than Jason, I felt. I mean yeah Tommy took charge, but it was his squad, but when another member had an initiative or idea, Tommy allowed them to come forward. If no one came forward, that wasn't really Tommy's fault.

... it's Kim's for decreasing the confidence and esteem of the new replacements as a veteran advisor by panicking, screaming and stressing out every time something happened. :D

[Digifiend]

Of course, Tommy's personality change during his second stint as green was because it was now Zyu2 footage, made with Tommy in mind, rather than footage from Zyuranger itself, which had been made for a more reclusive Burai.

[Jiemusu]

Of course, Tommy's personality change during his second stint as green was because it was now Zyu2 footage, made with Tommy in mind, rather than footage from Zyuranger itself, which had been made for a more reclusive Burai.

True, but still. I hate using Sentai as an excuse for what happens in PR, and try to avoid it. PR is it's own universe, and as such, should be judged so.

[O.92]

How did you feel about Bulk & Skull's new mission to uncover the secret identity of the Power Rangers?

[Digifiend]

:D Brilliant idea. They had a fantasy sequence in season one in which they imagined themselves as Rangers (in cheap costumes) piloting Megazord. Trying to expose the Rangers' identities was the logical next step, and it was great. You couldn't just have Bulk get cake in the face all the time, they needed a new storyline, and this was a good one. I actually felt sorry for them when they did discover their identities, only to have their memories wiped by the MOTD!

[Jacen Solo]

I thought it was great and highly entertaining, and the lead-in to that from Season 1 was nicely done. They had been saved by the Rangers before, but in "The Mutiny" they, having slightly outgrown their bullying ways, really looked up to the Rangers as heroes, developing a somewhat unhealthy fascination with them. It was, as you mentioned Digifiend, the natural progression of their characters, which would then lead into their stint as police detectives.

On that note, though it is a Season 3 episode when Bulk and Skull give up their quest, I feel it merits mention here. The "A Friend in Need" trilogy was great for Bulk and Skull. They wanted to actually be the heroes, to impress the ladies! That moment was a great setup for their Season 3 subplot, and looking further into the future as well, in the Space finale when they stood up and really were heroes.

[O.92]

If you see how far Bulk & Skull have come, going back and watching them in 'Day Of The Dumpster' feels really awkward. For me at least. But it's good. Because they changed for the better.

Although hearing them call the Rangers dweebs never gets old.

[Jacen Solo]

You know what would be an awesome ending for RPM? When all is said and done, have it fade to black, then have these words come onscreen, perhaps with Paul and Jason.

"As it turned out, Bulk and Skull were behind the whole thing."

Sorry, I'm in a strange mood tonight.

[AoBlue]

I liked the idea, it really helped grow them out the stereotypical bullies thing. I was really rooting for them in "When Is A Ranger Not A Ranger".

[johnson365]

I liked the idea, it really helped grow them out the stereotypical bullies thing. I was really rooting for them in "When Is A Ranger Not A Ranger".

I'll admit, so was I. :) I started to think, after they found out, "Okay, one of three things could happen from this..."

1) They tell them they know, but promise to keep their secret
2) They tell them they know and use that as a way to keep them under their thumbs
3) They tell them they know and desperately want to become Rangers

That is, if the two didn't get hit by the monster. :lol:

[Churly]

To be honest, I didn't like Season 2.

I was astatic when I heard they were getting new Zords, the Zord fights were my favorite parts of the half hour. However, every flipping Zord fight in Season Two was just a punch, kick, take damage, finisher.

My feelings for the Thunder Zord's started to change when the Mega Tigerzord debut, but my expectations fell flat again due to its measly four appearances. A shame, really, its Fire Bird finisher was so cool! At least Rita was able to witness it in it's final triumph.

Concerning Zedd, he seemed okay and he was. Even to this day I don't buy that he's superior to Rita for reasons I won't explain right now, but for the heck of it, one of them being that he was so easily tricked into marrying her.

Concerning the cast changes, I dunno about you, but I knew something was up between Green no More and the Power Transfer, especially after Opposites Attract. Jason, Trini & Zack are always absent when they aren't morphed, and they always get cursed (Terror Blossom, Beamcaster). I also found it ironic that those three were the only ones not cursed by Baboo in S1's Power Ranger Punks, but blame Sentai for that. Needless to say, I was saddened. I always thought Jason and Zack were the backbone of Power Rangers even after Tommy debut. The Green Ranger was awesome but when it came to the humans, Jason was #1 in my book.

Concerning the return of Rita, as I already pointed out, if she was able to marry the guy, I don't see how Zedd could really be that much more powerful than she. As for the return of Rita in general, it felt more than welcome. I got tired of Zedd always making monsters out of nonsense (lol, Lipstick? Purse? Monkey suit?) and I was like "Bring on the monsters Finster!" However, Zedd continued to make the monsters, but that's okay. Zedd's post-marriage monsters were alright; Photomare managed to defeat the Rangers as children, Needlenose gave us a Mega Tigerzord fight and Mondo the Magician, while a hack-job of a Zord fight, was fun to watch.

Overall, I give the season a 6/10. Many of its faults could be blamed on Sentai (especially the Zord fights) but concerning the monsters in American footage, I just don't see how that many suits could be that damaged, as the rumor goes.

[Beast King]

How did you feel about Bulk & Skull's new mission to uncover the secret identity of the Power Rangers?Really interesting, Cause it revolved around many close calls, plus it made their characters better!!

[Thrax]

he is a cool mission of the Bulk and Skull try to find the rangers identies

[Mutitis]

So, uh...what was up with jetting? Was it really necessary?

[Digifiend]

Not really. It's just short distance teleport and was quickly abandoned.

[Churly]

So, uh...what was up with jetting? Was it really necessary?

Since it was first used on [fake] Jason, Trini & Zack, I'd say they started it to quickly spread the six apart.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It was a combination of "find a way to keep these guys busy" and "superheroes are supposed to fly, right?" That being said, it's actually a pretty awesome concept for surveying an area if the sensors are being jammed.

[Lonewolf92]

Concerning Zedd, he seemed okay and he was. Even to this day I don't buy that he's superior to Rita for reasons I won't explain right now, but for the heck of it, one of them being that he was so easily tricked into marrying her.

He was given a love potion while he was in a deep sleep. He wasn't tricked. And as it turns out in Potion Notion he always loved her. How can you say he's not superior to Rita when he created much more powerful monsters. Finished Rita's job of eliminating the Green Ranger has build a extremely powerful Zord and created more powerful footsoldiers albeit with a much great vulnerability.

[Jacen Solo]

He was given a love potion while he was in a deep sleep. He wasn't tricked. And as it turns out in Potion Notion he always loved her.

I disagree. Zedd was tricked into marrying Rita. But somewhere along the line between "The Wedding" and "The Potion Notion," Zedd grew to love Rita despite the love potion.

[Hears All]

So, uh...what was up with jetting? Was it really necessary?

Jetting was needed so they could go back to the command center. I always wondered why no other team post-Turbo used it though...

[johnson365]

Zedd was tricked into marrying Rita. But somewhere along the line between "The Wedding" and "The Potion Notion," Zedd grew to love Rita despite the love potion.

I agree completely. :)

[AoBlue]

How many times was jetting showed in the second season?

[Churly]

Twice, by my count.

[Jiemusu]

Power Transfer, and Ninja Encounter.

Yeah I got two as well.

[Mutitis]

They also jetted in Forever Friends and Rock of Time Part 2. So four times.

http://www.rovang.org/wg/mmpr.htm#jetting

[Jacen Solo]

I remember Zordon introducing jetting, but I don't remember his reasons for it; if there was something wrong with the teleportation system or what. Then again, it is Zordon. He just kinda does whatever he wants.

[AoBlue]

They also jetted in Forever Friends and Rock of Time Part 2. So four times.

http://www.rovang.org/wg/mmpr.htm#jetting

You mean Rangers Back In Time.

[Mutitis]

You mean Rangers Back In Time.

Hahaha! That's what I meant. I was doing three things at once when I wrote that. :cool:

[Quark]

Decided to go back and watch The Ninja Encounter. Between the offensively bad attempts to hide missing actors, adr, and Billy rolling around with a rubber snake, this was definetly the lowest point of the season.

[Mutitis]

Decided to go back and watch The Ninja Encounter. Between the offensively bad attempts to hide missing actors, adr, and Billy rolling around with a rubber snake, this was definetly the lowest point of the season.

The lowest in a season of lows.

[Quark]

It had it's high points, too.

[Digifiend]

The Ninja Encounter was only added because they needed to introduce Rocky, Adam and Aisha. Therefore they probably wrote it in a hurry (last minute replacement), hence why it's not as good as other episodes.

[AoBlue]

The lack of a smooth transition and the beginnings of Austin, Thuy and Walter being shown to not be around anymore in what I think started in "Welcome To Venus Island", made Season 2 one of those odd seasons but it was a good one if you avoid all that.

[O.92]

The lack of a smooth transition and the beginnings of Austin, Thuy and Walter being shown to not be around anymore in what I think started in "Welcome To Venus Island", made Season 2 one of those odd seasons but it was a good one if you avoid all that.

I couldn't have started as early as that since Zack had focus in 'Orchestral Manuevers In The Park' and Jason the same in 'Missing Green'.

I didn't significantly notice their abscence until after 'White Light'.

As for being odd, it really wasn't. There was still a large chunk of episodes after 'The Power Transfer'.

[Jiemusu]

He, what's with the negative season 2 vibes people?

They could've handled it a hell of a lot worse.

Ok the decisions they made that got them into a certain predicament could have been better handled or avoided altogether, perhaps.

But the fact is, they were in the predicament, and they probably did the best they could to get out of it. Using footage like that, and camera angles, was a clever move because we still, at least, kinda felt that Jason, Zack and Trini were still there, sorta.

They could have just not used any Jason, Trini or Zack footage (i.e. get them out the show when they were fired), and literally just have Tommy, Kim, and Billy morphing, with Tigerzord taking things on solo, until the replacements came.

Probably involving them leaving before the Ninja Encounter even happened, meaning the team would literally be redless, blackless and yellowless until Rocky, Adam and Aisha first discovered Billy's identity in that cave.

How would people feel about that?

[Churly]

But the fact is, they were in the predicament, and they probably did the best they could to get out of it. Using footage like that, and camera angles, was a clever move because we still, at least, kinda felt that Jason, Zack and Trini were still there, sorta.

I didn't.

I personally feel that the production crew handled it very poorly. It should have been obvious to the crew that Austin & co. were having problems with them. Nobody just quits their job without giving an inkling to their higher-ups that they wanted to, that be very rude and unprofessional. It seemed the producers didn't even know they left until they did. Had they known they wanted to quit, they should have heckled them into at least staying so they can do a proper farewell episode like they did with Amy.

I'm certain the recasting was rushed too. Did anyone really feel like Rocky would have been the best Jason replacement? I sure as hell didn't, and his first centered episode (Rocky just wants to have Fun) proved it. Aisha felt wrong too, all she was was a "colored Kimberly" as the fandom have pronounced her. Adam eventually became cool, but he wasn't at the start. His first few episodes made him out to be a naive wimp. He already had his mind set on asking this one girl to the dance, but then Samantha shows up? I know asking girls is hard, but is it that simple to just change your mind? Then there was the Mirror of Regret. Give me a break, I have a lot of regrets that I don't NEED something like that to remember, and when I do remember them, I don't lose all self confidence, I learn from them.

Going back to Austin and co. There's another saying that they were fired which I really don't buy. That would mean the producers wanted to let them go, and if any Tv show was going to do that, they would have filmed and produced a farewell show, like they should have got. Austin's return during Zeo doesn't help the "Fired" theory much either. "Hey, Austin, we fired you but we want you back!" Yeah, doesn't sound much professional to me. I hate when people fire an employee and then ask for them to come back. Now if they were laid off, I can understand, but that isn't the same as fired.

[Jiemusu]

That wasn't actually my point.

My point was, they were gone anyway. For the context of my point, why they went isn't important, it's irrevelant, what's important is that they were gone, they weren't there, the actors were absent. They did the next best thing, and they could have handled it much worse.

They struggled through, they pushed through, during a dark period. And in terms of the continuity, it worked for the show's canon at least, even if it didn't do wonders for fan perception.

Everything could have fallen apart, but they held on. We had 3 ranger cast members remaining so the show could carry on, and they got 3 replacements in mid season to save the show.

It doesn't even matter why Austin, Walter and Thuy were fired, the point is they weren't on the set for shooting, and the audience had to believe that for in-universe reasons, the characters were still there. The show pushed through and did the next best thing, it could have been alot worse.

Like I said, they could have just axed the characters along with the actors too, leaving us wit only 3 rangers in the team until Ninja Encounter.

[Mugenhunt]

Austin, Walter and Thuy went on strike for better pay. They thought that since they were the stars of a ridiculously successful show that Saban would be forced to give into their demands. For a few weeks they just stopped showing up, figuring that eventually Saban would be forced to give them raises so that the show could continue filming again. So instead, they worked around their absence.

Austin, Walter and Thuy did not want to leave the show. It was the biggest thing in children's television at the time. But they were being overworked and underpaid, and wanted to have that fixed. The three of them never suspected that Saban would be willing to replace them. But it happened, and they were asked to leave.

Just to reiterate, they did not quit. And yes, the replacement process was rushed. Heck, "Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" was a Jason episode originally. But given that half the cast had slowly stopped showing up for filming and ADR, the issues these episodes have are understandable.

And Austin ASKED to return in Zeo. Before he asked, Brad Hawkins was going to play Gold Ranger.

[Jiemusu]

Really can't picture "Rocky Just Wants to Have Fun" as a Jason episode at all. It's a total character contrast.

Are you sure about that?

If so, even "Mirror of Regret" as a Zack episode?

[Quark]

Really can't picture "Rocky Just Wants to Have Fun" as a Jason episode at all. It's a total character contrast.


That would kind of be the point though, wouldn't it? The monster put him under a spell making him act totally different from how he would normally.

[Mugenhunt]

Mirror of Regret was late enough in production that they were able to give it a proper rewriting, but yes. It was at one point a Zack episode.

[Jiemusu]

That would kind of be the point though, wouldn't it? The monster put him under a spell making him act totally different from how he would normally.

True but, I can't see it working for Jason.

[Thrax]

That episodes are awesome the Mutiny Pt 1,2 and 3 in the primetime

[AoBlue]

I couldn't have started as early as that since Zack had focus in 'Orchestral Manuevers In The Park' and Jason the same in 'Missing Green'.

I didn't significantly notice their abscence until after 'White Light'.

As for being odd, it really wasn't. There was still a large chunk of episodes after 'The Power Transfer'.

I don't mean odd in the bad way, sort of... and I only said it started with "Welcome To Venus Island" because that was the first time the ADR work showcased their absence. The Red and Black Rangers moved as if they were speaking but there was no dialogue to accompany their movements.

[Mutitis]

It had it's high points, too.

True, but it definitely had its lows, and those lows set the standard for lows in any season.

[Lonewolf92]

True but, I can't see it working for Jason.

I actually think it would have been more effective. I mean Rocky is always kind of a goof off. Having serious leader Jason acting like a unreliable goof would have had a bigger impact. But I don't see Zack with the mirror of regret or Goldar's Vice Versa. Maybe if Scorpina took the form of Angela.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Are you sure about that?

It was openly discussed amongst the MMPR panel attendees at PMC, and Austin even took a whack at "this is TOO MUCH FUN." He'd read the script for Jason Just Wants to Have Fun.

[AoBlue]

I think it would've been interesting to see Jason being the goof compared to his serious tone. Would've definately been a worth while episode.

[Jacen Solo]

I actually think it would have been more effective. I mean Rocky is always kind of a goof off. Having serious leader Jason acting like a unreliable goof would have had a bigger impact. But I don't see Zack with the mirror of regret or Goldar's Vice Versa. Maybe if Scorpina took the form of Angela.

Heh! Now THAT would have been something to see!

If Jason had stayed on with the team, would Zordon still have made Tommy the leader?

[Churly]

It was openly discussed amongst the MMPR panel attendees at PMC, and Austin even took a whack at "this is TOO MUCH FUN." He'd read the script for Jason Just Wants to Have Fun.

Were post "Power Transfer" scripts ever made with Austin & co in mind?

Makes me wonder how "Forever Friends" would have turned out if yes.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

If Jason had stayed on with the team, would Zordon still have made Tommy the leader?

Since it only happened in post-production, the answer seems to be a firm "no."

[AoBlue]

If "Jason/Rocky Just Wants To Have Fun" was written with Jason in mind instead of Rocky, were there other episodes that had Zack and Trini in mind versus Adam and Aisha?

[Jiemusu]

Lol Trini being a **** with firefighting.

[Digifiend]

Being a what? You've been bleeped. Also, which episode are you talking about?

[O.92]

Where There's Smoke, There's Fire

[Lonewolf92]

Being a what? You've been bleeped. Also, which episode are you talking about?

I'm gonna assume he's talking about the episode "Where's there smoke, there's fire. " You know the ep where Aisha gets appointed Fire Safety Captain for Fire Safety Week (High schoolers having a fire safety week wtf?) and takes her job to seriously.

[Quark]

Lol Trini being a **** with firefighting.

Think of the children, the poor, non-existent children!

[Jacen Solo]

I can't see Trini being as fanatical about it as Aisha was, though. It's just not in her character.

One thing I'd like to comment on in general (that I'm surprised hasn't come up all that much yet in this thread) is that season 2 gave us helmetless Rangers!

[Digifiend]

That's something they should've done all along, since they only did it at the Command Centre, which is US footage anyway.

[Churly]

Lol Trini being a **** with firefighting.

With they way she was about Pollution, I can see it working out.

It would be nothing as annoying as Aisha's way of handling it.

[johnson365]

That's something they should've done all along, since they only did it at the Command Centre, which is US footage anyway.

Maybe they got tired of keeping those hot helmets on in the first season, so they wanted to take a breather in the second one. :)

[Quark]

is that season 2 gave us helmetless Rangers!

Don't forget puffy necks.

[SirStack]

Were post "Power Transfer" scripts ever made with Austin & co in mind?

Nobody in the fandom knows precisely what scripts were written pre-firing/quitting/bothing. Judging by the Fox Kids show numbers, I'd say that the only ones for certain would be "Rocky Just Wants to Have Fun", "Scavenger Hunt", and "Rangers Back in Time 1 & 2". There's no real way to tell without some actual paperwork, and none of the scripts I have give any real indication of which ones were rewritten or written from scratch post "the incident".

[Lonewolf92]

Does anyone know what episodes would of happened instead of power transfer if Jason, Zack and Trini didn't leave. I mean with the Serpentera footage and Silver Horns.

[O.92]

How did you feel when Rita Repulsa returned in 'The Wedding'?

[Jacen Solo]

I certainly didn't think she would last as long as she did! I was expecting the love potion to wear off (which, of course, it did) and for Zedd to destroy Rita for trying something so underhanded. Despite the "dumbing down" of Lord Zedd that happened when Rita returned, Zedd and Rita made quite a formidable team, and I enjoyed Rita's return. The banter between them was always fun to watch, the revolting pet names they had for each other, the JUST MARRIED sign behind Serpentera. Plotwise, Rita Repulsa's return was unexpected for me, and a pleasant surprise. Plus, I'll never forget my mother's expression when she came in my room as Rita was singing "Here Comes the Bride."

[Churly]

First time watching the saga, I actually missed the whole Love Potion thing, it kinda confused me that Zedd had asked Rita to marry him.

[Thrax]

when i see Rita return i think the love posion thing of the few time dont take sow long because i think Zedd in the end of the Wedding episodes i returns to normal and put Rta away of there

[Digifiend]

:question: Could you repeat that please? It sounds like you're saying that you thought Zedd returned to normal before the end of Wedding and put Rita away, which doesn't make any sense.

Rita's return was no surprise. Remember, it had been foreshadowed in an earlier episode when the dumpster originally landed on Earth and got found by Bulk and Skull.

[Thrax]

yes, i really mean that, because i think when of the Wedding part 3 Zedd return to normal and put Rita again in the dumpster

[Digifiend]

Ah, you expected her to go back in the dumpster, but she didn't. I see.

[Thrax]

es, because i think Zedd awakne of the love potion and return to normal, well but see him with Rita is cool too, but Zedd alone is more evil and dark villan with Rita he becames more funny villan

[Spider-Phoenix]

I liked Rita's return in the marriage arc.I remember i got really surprise with the love poison story, but i was glad seeing Rita back XD

[AoBlue]

I didn't like how it brought Zedd's mood down but it was nice to have Rita back.

[Super Jeff]

It was cool that Rita and Zedd got married, but they took down his evil side way to much. Heck he became more comedic then his original scary self.

[ForeverBlue]

How did you feel when Rita Repulsa returned in 'The Wedding'?

It was good to see her return and be on Zedd's side by putting a love potion on him...

[Lonewolf92]

It was cool that Rita and Zedd got married, but they took down his evil side way to much. Heck he became more comedic then his original scary self.

But you know what silly Zedd still owns over 98 percent of the other PR villain.

[Jacen Solo]

I enjoyed Goldar's reaction to the Zedd/Rita marriage too. Though that was the official dumbing down of Goldar as well.

[Quark]

But you know what silly Zedd still owns over 98 percent of the other PR villain.

I enjoyed the lighter Zedd. I mean, it's sad to find out it happened because of angry soccor moms (who I assume were scarier than an inside out man held together by a metal exo skeleton), but he's entertaining for different reasons.

[Jiemusu]

I enjoyed both Zedds for different reasons. I mean one was probably one of the most scariest villains we had, and another was one of the most enjoyable to watch.

In fact the latter is why I appreciate villains like Lothor so much.

*break fourth wall*

"What, you weren't expecting them to get smaller were you?"

[O.92]

I enjoyed Goldar's reaction to the Zedd/Rita marriage too. Though that was the official dumbing down of Goldar as well.

Watching Goldar kiss Zedd's *** was probably the most enjoyable thing he did.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I enjoyed the lighter Zedd. I mean, it's sad to find out it happened because of angry soccor moms (who I assume were scarier than an inside out man held together by a metal exo skeleton), but he's entertaining for different reasons.

Al Bundy Zedd is one of my favorite takes on any character ever. He's gleefully evil. Not just sadism, actively GIDDY to be doing bad things to people. He's a pathetic has-been who relishes meanness on a level as simple as depriving children of candy. There's something kind of beautiful to that. Zedd doesn't NEED to conquer the world to be happy, he just needs to make someone sad.

[johnson365]

Al Bundy Zedd is one of my favorite takes on any character ever. He's gleefully evil. Not just sadism, actively GIDDY to be doing bad things to people. He's a pathetic has-been who relishes meanness on a level as simple as depriving children of candy. There's something kind of beautiful to that. Zedd doesn't NEED to conquer the world to be happy, he just needs to make someone sad.

It makes me interested now to see what "Married...with Children" would be like with Rita, Zedd, Goldar and Rito instead of Peg, Al, Kelly and Bud. :lol:

[Jiemusu]

It makes me interested now to see what "Married...with Children" would be like with Rita, Zedd, Goldar and Rito instead of Peg, Al, Kelly and Bud. :lol:

I'm trying to picture the same thing with 8 Simple Rules, or Home Improvement.

Lulzy thoughts.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It makes me interested now to see what "Married...with Children" would be like with Rita, Zedd, Goldar and Rito instead of Peg, Al, Kelly and Bud. :lol:

It would have been the same show as season three, really. Zedd lives in the half-life of having once been awesome, just like Al. That being said, I would have savored an episode with Zedd and Goldar rushing about trying to find a particular type of high water pressure toilet.

(I think Goldar neatly straddles the line between being Bud and Jefferson, perhaps with a bit of Buck thrown in there for good measure)

[Super Jeff]

woah, your right, zedd is totaly al. Rita is peggy because of being whiny, Rito as Kelly as they are both dumb, and Goldar as Bud as he always gets the short stick of things.

[Lonewolf92]

No wonder season 3 was basically the villain show.

[Digifiend]

lol. There was talk of a Bulk and Skull spin-off (that's why they were chimps for part of Turbo) but they could almost have considered the same for Zedd and Rita's gang. Their scenes are almost like a sitcom, you're all right about that. :)

[Lonewolf92]

Now we need someone with mad youtube skills to make a sitcom style opening with the MMPR villains.

[Jiemusu]

Someone did a Friends MMPR opening once, I'm sure of it.

[Lonewolf92]

Someone did a friends MMPR opening once, I'm sure of it.

but with the villains?

[Jiemusu]

Unfortunately no, but it seems it's the nearest thing we have at the moment.

I do agree a villains one would be cool.

[Jacen Solo]

I don't remember which episode this was, but Rita had come up with a plan; Zedd's response was, "You? You're just a girl!"

Oh Zeddy, you did NOT just go there. Guess he never saw "The Dome Dolls."

[Jiemusu]

I don't remember which episode this was, but Rita had come up with a plan; Zedd's response was, "You? You're just a girl!"

Oh Zeddy, you did NOT just go there. Guess he never saw "The Dome Dolls."

I know that in "Best Man For The Job", Rita came up with a plan and referenced herself as a bad guy. Zedd said "You can't be a bad guy, you're not even a guy" or something.

Is that what you're referring to?

[Super Jeff]

I found a MMPR Villains Family Matters video. It made me think that Rito is totally urkel.

[Quark]

I.. I see it!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5502/rito.jpg

[Digifiend]

:lol: Nice one Quark!

[Churly]

Someone should know make a video of Urkel going "Did I do thaaaaaat?" as the audio of the video where Rito blows up (with that mist in the shape of his head) after being attacked by Ninja Megazord's finisher.

Just for extra lol, it should be the "Nuke" catchphrase.

[O.92]

How did you feel about the 'Return Of The Green Ranger' episodes?

[Thrax]

i liked of them, they are cool episodes of the Green ranger but i think they can be much better because the plot, they could make something even better

[Churly]

How did you feel about the 'Return Of The Green Ranger' episodes?

What I'd like to know is, how the heck did they get the Green Ranger suit into Australia? There was supposedly a "Airline Pilot Strike!" I doubt they brought the suit over to film the movie.

[Hears All]

How did you feel about the 'Return Of The Green Ranger' episodes?

Green Ranger vs. White Ranger was pretty epic