Kamen Rider Kabuto Discussion

[Hears All]

So I just started watching Kabuto, so I thought I would open a thread to hear what people have to say about it. Please use spoiler tags!! or atleast warn for spoilers ahead

So far i've seen 2 episodes, Tendou is a very "confident" Rider, I don't like how he calls himself "The Chosen One" though. However i'm pretty sure they will add a layer of human to him lol

I will admit, Kabuto is probably the best visually appealing Rider i've seen, not only is the fricken amazing suit but the bike and the shots of him riding are all astounding

[Mr. CD]

What do I think of Kabuto you ask?

Godawful show. I mean Kabuto sucks so much that Decade's take on the series was actually an improve. Decade!

[DarkBlaze]

I'm actually quite liking Kabuto myself. I'm watching episode 12 right now, and I must admit, I can see a slight change in the atmosphere of the show. It's my second Kamen Rider series that I'm watching, so I'm continuing to stay positive and hope that I enjoy the ending (despite what I've read).

[Mutitis]

I'm a little over halfway done with Kabuto now, and I really like it. The filler plots are ridiculously goofy and can be viewed as a precursor to Den-O's wackiness, but it can still have a serious edge when it wants to. This is one of the only KR series in which each Rider character interests me. (Faiz and Ryuki come close.)

At first, I, like many others, didn't like Tendou very much. I thought his principles as a character were not very heroic/altruistic. After 30 episodes, however, he grew on me, and now I find myself rooting for him more often. Despite that, I find myself rooting for Kagami the most because he's very relatable.

I also love the "Cast-Off"-s! :kabuto:

[Beast King]

Actually Kabuto was quite good, plus it had some awesome suit designs!!

[DarkPhoenix]

Riders in Kabuto do have cool suits and finishers :D
the whole idea with "clock up" is awesome and there are few really good battle scenes (imo the best one is in ep4)
but armored forms looks little bit weird but most of them are still looks great

the worst parts of the whole series are personalities of most of the riders (it was really hard for me to get used to them(kabuto, thebee, drake, sasword) only "normal" rider were introduced at the end of the series (hoppers and dark kabuto) (gatack's personality is too simple)
but when I got to those personalities it became one of my fav series

btw: movie is nice too, good story and good "movie only" riders and it explain one big question ;-)

I would give this series 7,8 / 10

[Mr. CD]

You actually thought the Hoppers were "normal"?

[Beast King]

I Didn't see anything wrong with them.

[Mr. CD]

Lounging around, blabbing on about "The darkness" is normal?

[Mr. Gold]

Technically they are evil Riders. And I tell y'all, any other Rider BUT Tendou and Kagami are "evil".

Speaking of the show, did anyone here check out the dub from the Philippines?

[Cyborg]

Apart from a few plot points right near the end (not to mention God Speed Love), I actually enjoyed Kabuto in about the same level I enjoyed Kiva, having finished both of them off.

[A-ma-zon!]

It seems like when the series began they had ideas that went unused by the end. For one some of the toys have sound effects never used on the series. Like the perfect zecter for instance. And then there was the Hoppers, it really seems like they wanted to do more with them but ran out of time to do so. Also I hated the ending, the worms kinda just disappeared and the whole native plot seemed too thrown together. So other than the ending I loved this series. It had a lot of potential but it just couldn't hold out til the end.

[Mr. Gold]

The English dub from the Philippines was very pro and well done. :)

[Aeon87]

kabuto was definatly cool i wish tendou would come back from paris

[Archangel]

Kabuto being the first Kamen Rider I have ever watched, it always holds a place in my heart and remains my favorite Kamen Rider show to date. It isn't without its problems, of course, but no show is. I think Kabuto follows the tradition to the show in that most of the charm rests on the shoulders of the various characters, the riders in particular. These are the ones I found to be impacting, to me anyway:

Tendou - Chuck Norris, Japanese version anyone? What can I say? The man is the bearer of the strength of Kabuto and he rarely shows fear. His cool and collected fighting style is what made me gravitate towards him...his personality does become more human as the show progresses and it shows more so in the movie, God Speed Love.

Kagami - Quite possibly the most "human" character in the show, he is the definition of the everyday hero and I feel he balances Tendou out well; where Tendou is cool yet visibly uncaring, Kagami is hot-headed but courageous and it shows. He's the ying to his yang or the yang to his ying...whichever. He is truly deserving of the Gatack powers.

Tsurugi - This dude...he was funny! Seriously, his brand of comedy is just what a dark season like Kabuto needed. As the one who becomes Sasword, he's good but you can always count on him for a cheap laugh. His interactions with the characters, especially his butler, Jii as well as Tendou and Kagami are golden.

Daisuke - Makeup artist? A weird premise for a Kamen Rider but the one who is Drake's bearer pulls it off. He's someone who protects his little friend, Gon, as well as the lives of gorgeous women and seems to be the most reluctant rider.

Yaguruma - From hero to emo, I believe his transition to the selfish holder of TheBee to the dark antihero known as Kick Hopper was a much needed one. He seemed to be stronger once he gave way to the dark side. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Beast King]

Speaking of the show, did anyone here check out the dub from the Philippines?I have, it was actually quite good!

[samuraiking]

The first half is great but with flaws. After Episode 30, it's nothing but a bunch of flaws. It builds up and up and up and then just ends up going nowhere with it's characters and storyline with too much eating, too many stupid bits, too much comic relief and aimlessness.

It's not totally bad but it's DEFINATELY flawed.

[Mr. Gold]

^ Was it the entire series itself or the dub?

[Psychosilver]

Kabuto is the series that I've watched, and I love the change in main character personality, it brings a new feel to the show....

I'm not going to say much more, don't want to give out spoilers......


Kabuto being the first Kamen Rider I have ever watched, it always holds a place in my heart and remains my favorite Kamen Rider show to date. It isn't without its problems, of course, but no show is. I think Kabuto follows the tradition to the show in that most of the charm rests on the shoulders of the various characters, the riders in particular. These are the ones I found to be impacting, to me anyway:


Yaguruma - From hero to emo, I believe his transition to the selfish holder of TheBee to the dark antihero known as Kick Hopper was a much needed one. He seemed to be stronger once he gave way to the dark side. That's just my opinion, of course.

Yeah, it's the first that I've watched too, and it's my fave for the same reason.

[SPOILER]

Well, aren't the all? I mean, IXA was extremely strong when Kengo went through his dark period.....

[Mutitis]

The first half is great but with flaws. After Episode 30, it's nothing but a bunch of flaws. It builds up and up and up and then just ends up going nowhere with it's characters and storyline with too much eating, too many stupid bits, too much comic relief and aimlessness.

It's not totally bad but it's DEFINATELY flawed.

I'm on episode 33 or so and, I agree, there is a beep-ton of eating going on. Quirky and fun for a little while, but I don't want it going on for 20 more half hours.

[Wing Saber]

While I like Tendou, he comes off as so arrogant that he wouldn't listen to what others have to say. Like when he try to collect all of the Riders' zectors, just to protect Hiyori. He realized his error, due to the red shoes switch. As well as when he destroyed the Worm necklaces. Though he was right about them, the way he handled it was not the best. He wound up making himself public enemy #1, which lead to him & Kagami comming to blows for the last time.

[Mr. Gold]

That's true, Tendou always thinks he's a god.

[Psychosilver]

While I like Tendou, he comes off as so arrogant that he wouldn't listen to what others have to say. Like when he try to collect all of the Riders' zectors, just to protect Hiyori. He realized his error, due to the red shoes switch. As well as when he destroyed the Worm necklaces. Though he was right about them, the way he handled it was not the best. He wound up making himself public enemy #1, which lead to him & Kagami comming to blows for the last time.

How would he have told Kagami? He works for the company that manufactures the necklaces! He wouldn't have believed him if he tried. It took something like them betraying his father to understand what was going on. And what other Riders would he have told? Kageyama turned into a Native, Yagaruma wouldn't have helped him at all. And who can ever get in touch with mister make up? I understand what he did.

Now, with the Zectors. I don't think that he was in the right frame of mind to think clearly about his actions. Hiyori is his little sister and all he was thinking about was protecting her. I have a little sister, so I understand where he's coming from, although it might have not been his best choice in actions. I would have made the same call, even though it wasn't the right thing to do.


Lounging around, blabbing on about "The darkness" is normal?

Their lives were ruined, and they felt that they couldn't do any thing about it. The darkness simply is the dumps. And Yagaruma was telling Kagayama to embrace it. The light being a better life, and Yagaruma tell Punch Hopper to give up, because their is no way that they ever be able to come back from the holes that they dug themselves.

Maybe I'm over analyzing it, but I've watched it through like 2 or 3 times, and that's what I draw from it.....

That's true, Tendou always thinks he's a god.

Well, you have to look at how he was raised too, his grandmother gave him a lot of praise, so that's what he thought, honestly. And the fact that he can back it up makes it worse, seeing how he never really loses a fight, swelling his ego.

[Hears All]

I just finished episode 29...thats right the cooking episode

Am I seriously watching episodes about cooking? Is ZECT seriously picking a chef for their evil party?

Am I INCREDIBLY interested in the info we got that ZECT has been monitoring all the Kamen Riders in the past 35 years (so Kamen Rider 1). Can anyone tell me if this is explored more and/or answered later?? no spoilers please!

[Psychosilver]

I just finished episode 29...thats right the cooking episode

Am I seriously watching episodes about cooking? Is ZECT seriously picking a chef for their evil party?

Am I INCREDIBLY interested in the info we got that ZECT has been monitoring all the Kamen Riders in the past 35 years (so Kamen Rider 1). Can anyone tell me if this is explored more and/or answered later?? no spoilers please!

You don't want any spoilers? Can I give you a yes or no answer?

[Hears All]

You don't want any spoilers? Can I give you a yes or no answer?

Yea, I just want to know if its adressed later on

[Psychosilver]

It's never fully explained.

[Hears All]

It's never fully explained.

That does suck. So from what we did see ZECT has records of every Kamen Rider on a list from years ago, even Kagami who hadn't even been a Rider yet and was using a new Masked Rider System

Damn plot holes!!

[Beast King]

I'm just as annoyed, plot holes can suck.

[mmpr grove]

Kabuto is the only kamen rider I watch from beginning to end. I just get tiered of read a television series. For Whatever reason I stayed with it. The comic relief and his ego are the only flaws I find with this series.

[Hears All]

Wait, I just watched episode 41 and the whole Masked Rider System is explained

SPOILERS

The Natives made a contract with the humans, they gave them the Masked Rider Systems, while the humans had to agree to protect the Natives from the Worms

Now it leaves the even bigger question, has every villian in KR up to now been a Worm?

[Beast King]

No they haven't, Neoshocker was ruled by a dragon, Jin Dogma was ruled by a human like hybrid, and Dogma was ruled by a bearded magician like man, Garanda was ruled by emperor Zero who appears to be simply human, G.O.D Was a big face in the wall, those are some examples.

[mmpr grove]

Far has I know the currant era of kamen riders series are each contained with their own Universe. With the exceptions of, Agito and Kuuga. This means The Natives only created the masked rider system (the name of the rider tech from Kabuto).

[Psychosilver]

No they haven't, Neoshocker was ruled by a dragon, Jin Dogma was ruled by a human like hybrid, and Dogma was ruled by a bearded magician like man, Garanda was ruled by emperor Zero who appears to be simply human, G.O.D Was a big face in the wall, those are some examples.

And that's why I say it isn't fully explained. I don't think that they were making all the riders like Kamen Rider 1, But the could have kept tabs on them, studying there systems. And tell me, isn't Yagaruma awesome? lol

:D

[Beast King]

That's why i miss the old ways of KR, like how good old Shocker always found its way to reform throughout the KR universe, with recent KR series, they really detached from old KR traditions, plus it left a lot of things in Plot holes, like at the end of the ZX special, after Ambassador Darkness was defeated, we hear a villains voice shouting "farewell kamen riders" and laughing, that was never explored or explained at all after that, so basically some evil was able to escape the kamen riders.

[Psychosilver]

lets say it was Narutaki in Decade. lol

[Hears All]

And that's why I say it isn't fully explained. I don't think that they were making all the riders like Kamen Rider 1, But the could have kept tabs on them, studying there systems. And tell me, isn't Yagaruma awesome? lol

:D

Yagamura? The Emo Kamen Rider? Hate him.

Unless he does something heroic in the finale, my opinion on him won't change

[ifsoboy43]

Unless he does something heroic in the finale, my opinion on him won't change

I haven't finish the whole series, so I have no idea. But I know he fought to the death in the movie. But he wasn't emo then.

[Psychosilver]

I haven't finish the whole series, so I have no idea. But I know he fought to the death in the movie. But he wasn't emo then.

Yeah but he was an a hole in that.

[finalbreak_flashend]

Plot Holes and Kabuto are synonymous. The story had too too many what-if situations. Not to say that it was not a well-written story, but most of us watching that are used seeing a fully developed story, will want to question certain parts and say "So...but that does not really explain anything right..."

I got to say that I watched it for the "what-if" factor for the technology used in it...at first...which is what drew me to KR 555...and then of course the story.

Though, it is weird how Tendou's character (as the main rider) is such a pompous know-it-all and the next year's rider's character comes off as a weakling (not to say that the actors are weak or pompous in any way in real life). I just noticed that transition.

Den-O, the human at least, who is receiving power from Imagins is weak mentally and emotionally and Kabuto is strong mentally and emotionally and made more so by the Zecter.

Also the prior transition of riders (and I will the term loosely here) between the Hibiki character to Tendou's character. Hibiki was more of a stable "fatherly or big brother familial character" versus Tendou's brooding emo-like character. Hibiki had plot hole too but, as I understand it for different reasons. Hibiki (imo, anyway) as a hero or main hero character almost makes Tendou's character pale in comparison. You would think that a main hero that fights giants demons would have a ton of more psychological problems versus a hero that fights basically human-sized monsters with some human qualities and emotions. Go figure.

[Psychosilver]

Also the prior transition of riders (and I will the term loosely here) between the Hibiki character to Tendou's character. Hibiki was more of a stable "fatherly or big brother familial character" versus Tendou's brooding emo-like character. Hibiki had plot hole too but, as I understand it for different reasons. Hibiki (imo, anyway) as a hero or main hero character almost makes Tendou's character pale in comparison. You would think that a main hero that fights giants demons would have a ton of more psychological problems versus a hero that fights basically human-sized monsters with some human qualities and emotions. Go figure.

Well, you have to factor in what happened with Tendou. I'm not sure about Hibiki, but Tendou went through some truama before the meteor even crashlanded on earth. You almost feel sorry for young Tendou, which makes me feel like Tendou is just protecting himself, so that he won't get hurt. It makes him more human.

By all means, I don't think he's stable. But if your parents and unborn baby sister was killed and replaced my Natives, how would you act? Tendou is very protective of himself and the ones he cares about. It's just a persona.

[Hears All]

Also the prior transition of riders (and I will the term loosely here) between the Hibiki character to Tendou's character. Hibiki was more of a stable "fatherly or big brother familial character" versus Tendou's brooding emo-like character. Hibiki had plot hole too but, as I understand it for different reasons. Hibiki (imo, anyway) as a hero or main hero character almost makes Tendou's character pale in comparison. You would think that a main hero that fights giants demons would have a ton of more psychological problems versus a hero that fights basically human-sized monsters with some human qualities and emotions. Go figure.

I would call Tendou "Emo" he was overly confident. I really like Tendou because he represents safety, whenver Tendou steps on the scene you know everything is going to be ok, he always has a plan and is one of (if no the) strongest Rider in Kabuto

I didn't mind Tendou's "perfection" because Kagami was the character everyone was able to relate to and watch grow, while Tendou made you feel safe the whole season, IMO

[Psychosilver]

The perfection thing is just a feint! He's scaring his opponent. He's reassuring his fellow fighters. He's also making a name for himself. He's fairly strong, but Gatack is stronger. YOu can tell by how the beetle has to bond with him. he has to die before being able to possess it. What ep are you on?

[Hears All]

The perfection thing is just a feint! He's scaring his opponent. He's reassuring his fellow fighters. He's also making a name for himself. He's fairly strong, but Gatack is stronger. YOu can tell by how the beetle has to bond with him. he has to die before being able to possess it. What ep are you on?

43

Thanks for the spoiler warning.

Anyways, I think Kabuto is stronger because Tendou is a stronger fighter. Gatack has the strongest Zecter, but once Kabuto goes into Hyper Mode he becomes the strongest

[Psychosilver]

43

Thanks for the spoiler warning.

Anyways, I think Kabuto is stronger because Tendou is a stronger fighter. Gatack has the strongest Zecter, but once Kabuto goes into Hyper Mode he becomes the strongest

I didn't spoil anything for you. It's what you already saw man. You've already found out that Hiyori is his sister, you can tell by his actions then....

[Hears All]

I don't know about the part where you said he had to die before he could use Kabuto

I still think Kabuto was the strongest, Gatack had the strongest Zecter but Kagami couldn't fight like Tendou

[Psychosilver]

No no no no. I meant that Kagami had to die to possess Gatack rider, you found that out in ep 22

[Hears All]

Finally finished Kabuto!!

It was an amazing season, I loved it

The finale did feel a little anti-climactic because they fought in some boring room, but the overall quality of the season was very high. My favourite characters were Tendou, Kagami, Renge and Jiiya. Here's how Kabuto ranks on my favourite KR seasons list

1. Faiz
2. Blade
3. Kabuto
4. Decade
5. Kiva
6. Ryuki

[Archangel]

Good to see you enjoyed Kabuto. It also remains one of my favorite seasons and I think that this list of mine is ever-changing...I don't like to make solid lists because of my indecisiveness, lol.

I also like your favorite characters; Renge is very underrated if you ask me. :P

[Psychosilver]

Yeah, glad to see you liked it too. Renge was my favorite female of that season, that's for sure. She almost surpassed Megumi, but noone will ever surpass Megooooomi! It IS my favorite season. I heard that not a lot of people liked it because of Tendou's attitude, but I saw whatev's

So now, what happens to this thread?????

[Hears All]

Yeah, glad to see you liked it too. Renge was my favorite female of that season, that's for sure. She almost surpassed Megumi, but noone will ever surpass Megooooomi! It IS my favorite season. I heard that not a lot of people liked it because of Tendou's attitude, but I saw whatev's

So now, what happens to this thread?????

I hear lots of people hate on Tendou and the finale, but IMO both are awesome

We keep this thread going with some interesting conversations :D

[Psychosilver]

Didn't you find Yagaruma's, Kagyama's, and Saswords ending sad? I don't remember what is name is at the moment. Tsurugi! that's it!

[ifsoboy43]

Who's megumi? I forgot, ps!!

[Psychosilver]

shes in kabuto. another kick butt hottie... :p

[ShinkenW]

I finished Kabuto a while ago, thought I might revive this thread :D

I've watched a couple of KR seasons and so far, Kabuto is my personal fave KR season...and I'm not trying to be being bias because I've been a fan of the main actor Mizushima Hiro (Tendou/KR Kabuto) for a long while...I really genuinely and thoroughly enjoyed the season. I have to admit, I initially did watch this mainly for Hiro and Yamamoto Yusuke (Tsurugi/Sasword), but I eventually grew to like a lot of the other characters too. For me, I find some of the riders in this season more interesting and dynamic than some others I've seen in other seasons.

As for Tendou...I've been told that many fans disliked Tendou because of his arrogance (at least among the international fans), and his seemingly 'invincibility' and his talents at practically everything he does, which makes his character somewhat 'unrealistic'.
I do understand people's problem with his arrogance and yes, he's a jerk sometimes, but I personally not dislike him at all, in fact, Tendou is one of my fave characters in the season! :D And no, it's not because he's played by Hiro...even if Tendou was portrayed by a different actor, I would still grow to love him as a character. He's generally seen as this arrogant jerk who always thinks he's superior and better than everyone else...I have to admit, sometimes I get a bit annoyed with that too myself, and usually he acts like he doesn't care about anyone else but himself and Hyori. That's the general consensus Tendou critics tend to have about him, and one of the main reasons they don't like him. But I disagree with these critics, Tendou usually acts all high and mighty, but deep down he does care for others, especially when it comes to his family, he is very protective of Hyori, but he is also very caring and protective of his other sister Juka (even though she's not his biological sister).
I honestly don't understand why people would think Tendou only cares about himself and Hyori...it's like Tendou dislikers seem to have forgotten the existence of Juka, how loving, caring & protective Tendou is of her. And from the very start, you see how different Tendou behaves when he's around Juka.
But when he's around others, he puts on this cold, arrogant facade, he strikes me as being very cautious about the people around him...he knows his mission as a rider is far great and dangerous, any mistakes could have great consequences. He would much prefer to fight alone, and he's always very careful about working with other people, and trusting others, and that also means being cautious about befriending others...which is probably why for much of the season Tendou had been apprehensive to admit accepting Kagami as a 'friend'. It's true Tendou tends to always have a go at Kagami, but at the end of the day, he's helped him on a number of occasions and eventually accepted him as a friend by the end of the series. I think the both of them make great partners, they really complement each other...Tendou is like the force that drives Kagami, and in turn, Kagami has helped Tendou to open up to others. Although Tendou/Kabuto is promoted as the main character in the season, but from the storyline and character developments and focus, I believe he and Kagami/Gatack are co-mains for this season.

And Kagami isn't the only person Tendou has helped, another example is when Tendou helped Daisuke/Drake when he was wrongfully accused of being a murderer, and helped him reunite with Gon...actually, Tendou has helped Daisuke on a few occasions, even though they're not on particularly good terms. Actually, the only other rider who Tendou seems to regard as his true comrade and friend is Kagami...but still, at least he has the heart to help others, even those who he isn't particularly fond of.
if Tendou was this "cold-hearted" like many of his critics believe him to be, then he would not have given a damn about the other characters.
Although I have to admit...some of Tendou's methods were not ideal and leave a little to be desired, but he's the kind who has his own way of showing his compassion for others...he's not the kind of character who expresses that side of him so directly and obvious...he's always acting cold towards others, but deep down he thinks about them, and helps them.
Sometimes I feel that Tendou is misunderstood...much like how Takeru from Shinkenger is often misunderstood by some.

Tendou was definitely a different character by the end of the season compared to him in the beginning...during the course of the season, he gradually learned to trust other people around him, and became more open to others.

Sorry for my long rant about Tendou...it's just that, some of the comments I've read about him made by some of his dislikers upsets me sometimes, so I wanted to share my views about him.

[Mr. Gold]

No bumping up threads older than 3 months.