RPM "And...Action" Episode

[O.92]

Only 1 more week until a new RPM episode!

Power Rangers: R.P.M. Episode 23 "And...Action"
Episode Summary (http://www.rpmcast.com/episodes)

Do not ask about full episodes in this thread. They are posted in Multimedia Downloads (http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11559).

[terrierlee]

Well.

There's a new opening? I think that was the highlight of this episode for me.

Overall, I didn't like it, which means a lot coming from me since I loved most of the episodes so far. I felt this could be put on a DVD as a special, and it didn't deserve a whole episode to itself. Yes, the outtakes were funny, but... once again, I felt it was more fitting as a DVD extra.

This episode... IMHO... was worse than a clip show.

1/10 Marshmallows.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Oh GODDAMMIT, they're all in-character. MY NERD BRAIN DOESN'T KNOW HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO PRIORITIZE ITS CANONICITY NOW.

Do I accept events analogous to these occurred somehow, much like there's a continuity where Johnny Yong Bosch played Adam on a Power Rangers TV show, but Bulk and Skull are actual people he knows? Or the bizarre status of the Mutiny framing interstitials?

[Quark]

I like how the credits listed everyone as playing 'themself.'

[Cmdr Crayfish]

That last utterance of "it's morphin' time" we're ever libel to get from Ziggy stabbed me in the gut harder than I was really expecting.

[Quark]

I liked that, it definetly had some moments that made it an entertaining watch. I doubt it'll fare very well in the polls, though.

[Crazy Davey]

I was hoping for bloopers when I first heard about this episode... someone heard my wish. XD

[PowerOnyx]

It was nice to see "the making of" after 17 years of watching this series.

[Crazy Davey]

well, it wasn't detailed how real "behind the scenes" features really are... they left out the part where the borrow japanese footage from Japan and insert some of those action scenes into the episodes.

Surprised they didn't mention that, since Sentai is a BIG part of Power Rangers... even if they did it as a little joke.

[KrazyInPink2]

Grrr!!! I am so angry right now. Instead of recording what I thought would be the new episode, which is what I had set to record, I get Dome Dolls again. It didn't even air the new episode!!!! Why, God, Why???????

[pr 4ever]

The episode was very interesting and cool to see how everything is done...the bloopers toward the end were so funny lol but the episode itself just felt so out of place and random. this shouldve just been a special or bonus feature on the DVD's.. :rpmgreen:

[Razor]

^agreed.

But I am enjoying it anyway.

I can't believe in RPM, we actually hear the words "morphing time"

"I think it may be morphing time"- Ziggy.

[Archangel]

Enjoyable...while it might not be the most complex or deep episode of RPM, I wouldn't completely write this out. It's one of those episodes that takes a break from the drama and the suspense the show has and gives us "something" of a behind-the-scenes look at how certain mechanics of the show work.

I thought it was kind of weird how the actors stayed in character and other times how they...well, didn't, lol. Like the fight between Scott and Tenaya, after they were finished, he puts his arm around her and they walk off the set. I also got a bit of a chuckle outta Ziggy bribing Dr. K with, ahem, Mr. Marshmallow.

The bloopers were some of the best and I certainly hope that reel is going to be on YouTube because it was my favorite part of the episode.

This episode was nothing big but in the right mindset, it's enjoyable.

[KyoryuRed]

it was awesome!

i like the bloopers, it remind me of the old days of MMPR, Zeo, Turbo and PRiS :D

[Titanium Power]

It was not what I expected with the Rangers staying in character. I thought i was going to see more interactions between the actors and see their true selves instead of something scripted. Could do without the last 8 minutes of them sitting around watching footage.

[Stormy]

I thought the episode was OK. A little, well, off, but OK.

Ziggy's still being the same ol' Ziggy that we still know and love.

[toughturnips]

I second what Pr 4ever said. I could see this being an extra and there was a lot more they probably could have added to the whole behind the scenes thing.

Also the whole thing of them being in character but then watching and talking about themselves as actors was weird to watch. We didn't get to see all that much of Tenaya and nothing was mentioned about the generals for behind the scenes stuff. No mention of the sentai either.

I guess on the plus side we got to find out some things like Dr.K's definite dislike of fruits which explained why she didn't seem thrilled about the healthy breakfast lesson in Dome Dolls, Dillon's car being named 'The Fury' and somewhat Dr. K/ Ziggy interaction but I would have much rather had a full actual episode.

[ShadowDragonRanger]

It was nice to see "the making of" after 17 years of watching this series.
Yeah there's an emotional investment in this that almost had me voting this 5/5 (teared up watching this...) 3.5/5.
I decided to judge this ep by way of how things went...remember in the Spoiler thread when I said documented story.... Perhaps Sentai is fiction based on PR still.
This really should have come after the finale. (As a fond farewell...)

[Hears All]

I'm seeing mostly positive reviews, thats a good sign! I'm still waiting for someone to upload the episode lol

[Blueranger]

First off, why are the actors from the show still in character?...Shouldn't they be using their real name instead of acting like it's apart of the damn show? That I hated.

Some of BTS stuff was informing however, bloopers was awesome.

Do Gem and Gemma need to stay in character despite how well it connects with explosions?

No mention of Sentai or how they import the material, no mention of the Executive Producers or Writing Staff.

No mention of the actually Stunt Team in the suits, which pissed me off when they blatantly made it sound like they do it themselves only with a harness.

No mention of the beginning process of how the sets and lighting is put together.

This episode was filled with FAIL. 0/5.

Horrible...absolutely horrible.

[ShadowDragonRanger]

...^ I could've told ya that was gonna happen...

[mmpr grove]

First off, why are the actors from the show still in character?...Shouldn't they be using their real name instead of acting like it's apart of the damn show? That I hated.


This episode was filled with FAIL. 0/5.

Horrible...absolutely horrible.

Sadly this could mean rpm is just a show inside the PRU, just like masked rider :(

[Quark]

No... just. No.

[mmpr grove]

For the record I officially clam this the worst episode of power rangers ever produced!

[ShadowDragonRanger]

... Arguably.
This was just tacky, though. Having just laid down the foundation for the inevitable plot line we already know just a week prior...then we get...this.
Maybe RPM really is in its own universe...
NO! I refuse to admit or believe it!

[Quark]

... Arguably.
This was just tacky, though. Having just laid down the foundation for the inevitable plot line we already know just a week prior...then we get...this.


Measures had to be taken so that we got RPM at all, and this was one of them. I can understand not liking the episode, but have a hard time believing people are going to hold it against RPM. Considering how popular Eddie's work is, I think two clip shows is a decent bargain for a good last season of Power Rangers.

[wild_wing25]

I just watched this episode and well it's terrible

[Jacen Solo]

The episode was decent, and there were entertaining parts. However, it pulled me out of the story, which, with the introduction of Kilobyte, was really starting to pick up intensity.

Enjoyed the new credits ... RPM Ultrazord looks awesome.

[DarkBlaze]

Would it have been still terrible if it WASN'T counted as an episode? I get the feeling that's the only reason people are calling it terrible. At least tell us why you think it's terrible (with the exception of, Blueranger).

[decrets]

... Arguably.
This was just tacky, though. Having just laid down the foundation for the inevitable plot line we already know just a week prior...then we get...this.
Maybe RPM really is in its own universe...
NO! I refuse to admit or believe it!

Quote: "The stunt coordinators have been working with Power Rangers for years"

[KrazyInPink2]

I'm hearing how everyone thinks it's great or terrible, and I haven't seen the episode yet. :( I hate waiting...>:(

[decrets]

I'm hearing how everyone thinks it's great or terrible, and I haven't seen the episode yet. :( I hate waiting...>:(

The only good parts are when the actors actually act like themselves, not their characters (for a brief few seconds during various scenes), and the bloopers.

Also anyone think Dillion's been seriously toned down? He seems more child friendly now...

[KrazyInPink2]

So, I've heard. But I still want to see for the sake of seeing the bloopers. I love bloopers!! teehee!!

I've noticed that. He's still somewhat a tough guy but more child friendly. Eh...still think Dillon rocks!!!:rpmblack:

[Mr. Underachiever]

Zomg guize dis esipoda wuz totall proove dat dis es teh las seezun bcuz dey wuldnt doo a behin teh seens ep ef et wusent

[toughturnips]

Would it have been still terrible if it WASN'T counted as an episode? I get the feeling that's the only reason people are calling it terrible. At least tell us why you think it's terrible (with the exception of, Blueranger).

I don't think it's the only reason but could be a major one with people. With this being the last season ever and only so many episodes left, it seems like a waste of an episode. And as amusing as the bloopers and certain other parts were, I feel even this episode being behind the scenes was incomplete.

I do agree Dillon seems toned down a bit but maybe/hopefully that'll change in upcoming episodes.

[Blueranger]

Would it have been still terrible if it WASN'T counted as an episode? I get the feeling that's the only reason people are calling it terrible. At least tell us why you think it's terrible (with the exception of, Blueranger).

It would have been terrible either way. They should have used this as an opportunity to go into the real soruce of PR, Sentai footage (Go-Onger), how stuff gets imported from Japan which is what they somewhat touched on in PROO but didn't get into it enough.

They should have shown, the writers or even mentioned them. It would be terrible even if it wasn't counted as a regular episode.

[Hears All]

It would have been terrible either way. They should have used this as an opportunity to go into the real soruce of PR, Sentai footage (Go-Onger), how stuff gets imported from Japan which is what they somewhat touched on in PROO but didn't get into it enough.

They should have shown, the writers or even mentioned them. It would be terrible even if it wasn't counted as a regular episode.

To bad the kids who do watch RPM wouldn't care about Go-Onger or Sentai. I do agree that they should have atleast mentioned the source footage, writers and stunt actors though

[Mr. Underachiever]

I think mentioning the writers would be in pretty poor taste, don't you?

[decrets]

To bad the kids who do watch RPM wouldn't care about Go-Onger or Sentai. I do agree that they should have atleast mentioned the source footage, writers and stunt actors though

Kids watch RPM? Nah, all the kids these days are enjoy Spongebob reruns on Nickelodeon, episodes that have been shown and seen 1,000 of times.

[Thrax]

Where i can watch this episode !!!

[The 2nd Evil]

I think mentioning the writers would be in pretty poor taste, don't you?

Especially considering the reason why this episode was even made.

[O.92]

The episode started out great. It had me saying "this is really enjoyable".

But then as time went on, I realized how less and less enjoyable it really was, and by the end of the episode with their '4 minutes of non stop cheesy lines while watching TV' segment, I would say this episode was mediocre at best.

The Rangers staying in character makes no sense. And the credits labeling everyone as themself didn't help it either.

[Thrax]

I finish the episode right now...

well lets begins, this episode as written by Judd Lynn

The Opening change we see Paleomax and RPM ultrazord awesome

The Opening scen of the episode is awesome the rangers go to the battle and they freeze really cool nd Ziggy begins to explain the thing inside of th show.
we see all the things are made
Every ranger explain the way of things are made
We see Grinders eat and drink really awesome and Tenaya she is awesome
the best part of all as the bloppers, who remembers the old times of PR, when they show in the credits the bloppers to the MMPR S3 to PRIS
but when we weard the words of Morphing time that as really epic old school of POWER RANGERS
when they see the scenes of they fight is really awesome

well this episode is really awesome

[unomedjd]

I though this episode was ok. it was interesting to see how everything is made and done... but like i agree with what alot of people are saying. this would have been a good behind the scenes piece in a dvd rather than a whole episode. it was pretty weird them being "in character" even though they really werent. i thought only the boom twins were really in character more than the others.

it was a nice break, but now its time to bring the rest of this season home.

[Mr. Black]

I thought that this episode was pretty good. It gave a sort of in-depth look into what makes the show. I think the only reason this counts as an episode is because everyone stays in character.

Nonetheless, it could've been a little better, but it was still a nice episode, especially the bloopers:lol:

Can't wait for the next episode.:rpmgreen:

[ShadowDragonRanger]

^Hey, decrets.

Yeah there's an emotional investment in this that almost had me voting this 5/5 (teared up watching this...) 3.5/5.
I decided to judge this ep by way of how things went...remember in the Spoiler thread when I said documented story.... Perhaps Sentai is fiction based on PR still.
This really should have come after the finale. (As a fond farewell...)
Perhaps it is like I said in the Spoiler thread: this ep shows that the PRU is documented, apparently made more extravagant for the audience to see their exploits and each teams' stories (e.g. Legacy of Power). Considering the actors are still in character, this seems plausible.
Quark, what do you mean 'two clipshows'? We're still getting a clipshow too?
Well it is obligatory.

[KrazyInPink2]

I didn't mind the episode at all, now that I finally got to see it!! grrr!!

Anywho, it would've been more interesting if they weren't in character. But overall, I enjoyed it. Gave me a good laugh for today!:lol::D

[Force Ranger]

I like behind the scenes specials but I don't like that this episode counts as a regular episode. Would have prefered an BTS episode as an additional episode to the regular 32 episode of the season.
Hopefully this BTS episode aired instead of a clip show episode.

[Bystander #3]

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, but trying to figure out how it fits into continuity makes my brain hurt. It's a behind-the-scenes look at the making of a Power Rangers TV show, but is doesn't star the actors who play the characters, it stars the characters themselves.

The best I can figure is that there must be a "show-witihin-a-show". Inside the universe where power rangers are real, the RPM Rangers defend the last survivors of humanity during the day and in their free time they make pseudo-documentary action-dramas that are aired on TV in Corinth City to keep morale up and drum up support for the war effort. This is supported by the end scene where the characters watch the episode they made while sitting in the real Garage just before running off to a real emergency and all the credits say things like "Scott Truman as Himself".

There are still two problems with this theory, though.

Problem #1) During the "making-of" scenes, the Rangers don't seem to have super-powers and have to rely on cables instead. (On the other hand though, Ziggy does teleport at the very beginning and there is that scene half-way through when everyone but Ziggy morphs, so.... ...I don't know what.) Maybe the Power Ranger code of conduct dictates that superpowers are only to be used for real emergencies and not for making documentary TV shows?

Problem #2) Scott Truman and Tenaya 7 seem to be on friendly speaking terms "off camera" instead of being mortal enemies. On the surface, this makes no sense, ...but, and the following is pure speculation, ...

...If Tenaya is Dillon's sister,
...and if Tenaya eventually defects and joins the good guys sometime before the finale,
...then maybe "...And Action!" takes place in continuity, but set some time in the future after Tenaya defects?

Maybe? I don't know.

The result was fun though:
Ziggy bribing Dr. K with marshmallows is fun.
Gem and Gemma geeking out about explosions is fun.
Ziggy inviting Dr. K to team movie night in her pajamas is fun.

[Neo Aguni]

This episode was not what I expected, and I even had a few laughs, but I have to agree with what several of the others on the board have said. This should not have been a mainstream episode. I would have been good as a bonus episode on a DVD, but not part of the main show.

[Mr. Underachiever]

I would have loved nothing more than, when they were watching the fight and Tenaya shows up and Scott says, "Look, there's Tenaya," for him to add on, "Hey, Dillon, you know she's your sister, right?" and then they cut to the title card.

Also, is it safe to assume we WON'T be seeing that fight footage actually used in a "real" episode?

[Diz]

For the record I officially clam this the worst episode of power rangers ever produced!
Worse than last year's "Game show" episode n JF? Worse than all of PROO? Wow.

I loved the episode. It was nice to see these guys out of character, even if it was slightly out of character. It would have been nice to hear them with their real accents.

Ziggy and K's exchange concerning "Mr. Marshmallow" was pretty good, and K looked incredible in those PJs. There's just something about a woman in flannel that drives me wild.

No Zord footage, though? Sad.

[Fang RX]

Where can I find this ep online? My local ABC Affiliate doesn't air RPM, and I don't think Youtube has it yet.

Any help?

[Mr. Yellow]

Where can I find this ep online? My local ABC Affiliate doesn't air RPM, and I don't think Youtube has it yet.

Any help?

It's only available on torrents at the moment. All the usual encoders and uploaders are having troubles.

[Xerox]

Wow. I really don't have any idea what it is I just watched. With a title like "And...Action," I expected it to be an intense continuation of the escalating story. Instead, we get filler. In my opinion, this was worse than the Jungle Fury clip show where they answered questions about previous episodes on a game show. (And I thought that one was terrible.)

Sure, it had its moments, though. I actually smiled during the bloopers segment and I overall enjoyed Ziggy's character as usual, but this episode was placed in an awful spot. They should've saved it for after the finale.

Not to mention, I had no idea if the actors were in character or not until the ending. This caused massive confusion and distraction the entire time.

So what we've learned now is that the rangers are also part-time actors providing entertainment for the citizens of Corinth (with the help of a crew with New Zealand accents), whenever they're not out battling Venjix's forces. (Yet, for some reason Tenaya is also in on the act?) To put it simply, this episode makes no sense.

Was this the start of the Judd Lynn episodes or what?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The final Eddie episode was Belly of the Beast.

(how could you not tell if they were the characters or not? None of them were using their Kiwi accents and all used their character names right off the top)

[Xerox]

Well...I kept wanting to use those reasons as excuses, but the entire episode seemed so out of character I only half-believed it. I assumed their usage of American accents and character names was just to keep the kids from being confused. Yet, it had the opposite effect on me.

(Not to mention, if you heard Tenaya's short narration during her filming scene, her voice sounded VERY different. Although it wasn't in Adelaide's actual accent, she no longer had that evil edge to her voice you usually hear.)

[malfion]

I'll do my during episode comments...as I watch the episode. I'm watching in 7 minute increments on youtube.

-Its a fun episode so far, the first 9 minutes are great, I'm enjoying this. The car stunts were cool. I just really like the team, they're all friendly. They used the third demo theme(instrumental)...its way better than the real theme IMO. So far I don't get why you guys hate it so much, in fact I'm liking it better than a couple of the "real" episodes of the season.

-Doctor K and Ziggy chemistry is great. She talks like a loving teacher(like those kindergarten teachers)..like..wow. Even Summer looks like shes having fun, instead of the seriousness from the show.

The Grinders need their own sit com. I'm serious.
Lol T7 is still in character.

The stunt sequences are great in my opinion. The wire fu they use now is much better than the past few seasons for sure.

I like the twins energy.

Holy crap, some of those scenes are from episodes we haven't seen yet, and they look awesome.

Ziggy is one of the funniest rangers ever. I am not kidding. I enjoy his sense of humour and sarcasm and awkwardness.

The bloopers were hilarious. Some of the funniest PR moments ever, in my opinion.

Doctor K is sooo cute.


I heavily disagree with you guys saying this episode sucked. I enjoyed it alot, it was a nice change of pace, and it made me kind of sad that its going to be over soon.

[Gr1s3L]

I've enjoyed this episode ... made me laugh a lot :lol:

Ziggy / Dr.k..moments priceless .. she actually likes candies ..! that damn sweet tooth..!!:p

lol the bloopers ..!

[Fang RX]

I loved this ep. I just watched it, and I was laughing.

T7 was still badass, Dillion rocked, Summer and Gemma were at maximum hotness levels.

The others were all right.

[Jacen Solo]

I do agree Dillon seems toned down a bit but maybe/hopefully that'll change in upcoming episodes.

I'm guessing we'll see this as his storyline comes back into prominence.


Especially considering the reason why this episode was even made.

Which was what?

[Mugenhunt]

Which was what?

Rumor has it that when Eddie left the show, production had gotten behind schedule. So the idea is that this was written as a quick way to get an episode done, by allowing for behind the scenes footage.

[Mr. Yellow]

I loved this ep. I just watched it, and I was laughing.

T7 was still badass, Dillion rocked, Summer and Gemma were at maximum hotness levels.

The others were all right.

You just watched it? Where?

[Qarlf]

The episode had it ups and down. I personally enjoyed it, not what I was expecting after what I seen in the last episode. The Ziggy and K thing was awesome. I gave this episode 4 out of 5. But can't wait to see next weeks episode.

[Mr. White]

Saw the ep just now... It was Ok not to much to say about it though

[Mr. Yellow]

Ok, just now saw the episode:

Ehhhh... I can see what they were trying to do, a nice idea, but like others have said, it could've gone on the DVD as an extra. They stayed in character to try and confuse the kids less, but it really did confuse me more. Of course this show had it's funny parts and it was interesting to see the bloopers, but, stick this on as a special feature.

It was good as a special feature, not so much as an episode however.

[mnikolic]

I liked the episode. I know, thy let out the Sentai stuff, but this episode at least gives us an idea how everything is done.

Besides, this is the 1st-in-season official "behind the scenes" episode (the OO one doesn't count, since it's labeled episode 0). It could be done as a two-parter, but I'm completely satisfied with the episode.

They should do this for every season.

I'm so burning the entire series to DVD once R.P.M. is over. :D

[Beast King]

Ok, i finally saw the episode, and i must say it was rather disappointing, it didn't really make sense, but still I'd give it an OK, cause it kinda threw the developing story out of place.

[Speedbreaker]

You just watched it? Where?
It's up on Youtube.

Well, that was the least informative behind-the-scenes special I've ever seen, and seemed like it was talking down to its target audience - Reading Rainbow had more in-depth analysis of TV production. I think more time was spent on clips from earlier episodes and awkward fourth-wall-bending in-character moments than on actual behind-the-scenes insight. I was hoping to see Koichi Sakomoto or Chip Lynn or John Tellegen interviewed, however briefly, and I was surprised they didn't at least mention the existence of Sentai.

It was an odd experience, but hey, it's been a very odd season, one full of firsts.

[Thrax]

i think we see is this episode Koichi Sakamoto in the shots !!!

[Beast King]

I don't think it was him, but it looked like him!

[louie kaboom]

I dont care what everyone else is saying because i really enjoyed this episode the bloopers were great and i liked the freeze at the beggining i wasnt exspecting that

[Digifiend]

I was surprised they didn't at least mention the existence of Sentai.Especially since they did in previous episodes, by having a vehicle called GO-ONGER.

[Zeltrax]

I thought i was awesome. I love how they stay in charactor.

[Thorn]

I just don't get this episode! They're all in character! >.<
So, RPM really is a tv-show, even to the people in it? That's what they make it look like. Or something. Ugh.
During the action scenes they just had to comment on everything.. oh, wait. That's not what I was bothered by. It was those pointless, boring action scenes!!

.. Well, I did enjoy the bloopers.. and the characters as always. Especially Ziggy. He was actually really funny this episode. ^w^

I don't know what I think about this episode.. Not gonna vote on this poll..

[Beast King]

I just don't get this episode! They're all in character! >.<
So, RPM really is a tv-show, even to the people in it? That's what they make it look like. Or something. Ugh.
During the action scenes they just had to comment on everything.. oh, wait. That's not what I was bothered by. It was those pointless, boring action scenes!! If i remember correctly, Didn't they do something like this for MMPR? Like they were interviewing the characters as characters and not actors.

[Dawnofthedusk]

It was a little confusing with them being in character and filming at the same time. It wasn't what I was expecting and I did enjoy it but, as others have already said, it would have been better being an extra on the dvd.

I LOVED the bloopers though. They're always the first thing I watch when it comes to dvds hehe.

[Jacen Solo]

We did get to see all seven Rangers do the morphing call. That hasn't happened yet, and I thought it was pretty cool.

Poor Ziggy ... Doctor K must have turned off the Series Green tech that day as a joke.

[Super Jeff]

I thought it was a good episode, the only downside was that they didn't mention the splicing of sentai and the zords. But all and all it was a good filler episode.

I think Ziggy has the power to break the 4th wall

[Hears All]

Awesome episode! The bloopers were the best, they could have just showed those for the whole episode :p

When Scott ran into the door LOL!!

[Dawnofthedusk]

Awesome episode! The bloopers were the best, they could have just showed those for the whole episode :p

When Scott ran into the door LOL!!

Maybe that's the time Dan Ewing stated in his interview when production stopped because people were laughing for so long because "Eka ran into a door". :rpmred:

[Jacen Solo]

I have an explanation for why the Rangers were in character! It was all a dream!

[Hears All]

I have an explanation for why the Rangers were in character! It was all a dream!

It was probably for the kids

[Jacen Solo]

I did get a laugh at how Scott and Tenaya 7 were all buddy-buddy after their fight.

[RyanRXP]

If i remember correctly, Didn't they do something like this for MMPR? Like they were interviewing the characters as characters and not actors.

It was for the fan club video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDKV6ru6RaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBly76-QuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B81xwH7ACoE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BhQt7tQnE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgUIDtVvpI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEqyMq5H5ck&feature=related

[Beast King]

Yep those are them.

[Hears All]

Those were all so cheesy lol

[O.92]

I do have to applaud this episode for the amazing background music though, especially towards the beginning of the episode.

[Mr. Underachiever]

This was the best episode of Power Rangers ever! I wish they were ALL like this!

[Thrax]

this episode is outside and inside of POWER RANGERS

[Squizz]

I have to say I think this episode is genius.. it's definatly for the kids and so it should be, I am sick of hearing oh that kid hits people because he watches Power Rangers. Even if I think those brats are there parents fault, this episode really opens up and shows the truth in how its made in a way kids will enjoy. Its a really clever way to deal with the stupid nay sayers , who demonise pr and for Disney to back themselves up (though they should have always kept its aim audience much higher than bloody three year olds).

There is something so spectacular about the twins getting to talk about the explosions and yay bloopers!

[Jacen Solo]

There were very subtle nods to Summer/Dillon and Ziggy/K. Well, not so subtle in Ziggy/K's case. And Tenaya is clearly going to end up with Jack. (No, I'm not completely serious.)

[Xerox]

And Tenaya is clearly going to end up with Jack. (No, I'm not completely serious.)

Do you mean Scott? Or am I not getting the joke?

[Quark]

Morgana x Flynn

[DrBravo2]

Oh GODDAMMIT, they're all in-character. MY NERD BRAIN DOESN'T KNOW HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO PRIORITIZE ITS CANONICITY NOW.

Do I accept events analogous to these occurred somehow, much like there's a continuity where Johnny Yong Bosch played Adam on a Power Rangers TV show, but Bulk and Skull are actual people he knows? Or the bizarre status of the Mutiny framing interstitials?
Oh come on. Reuse the Masked Rider fanwank.

After they defeat Venjix, the rangers play themselves in a TV show based on their exploits.

The question then becomes, "Is the RPM we see the show they made or are we seeing the events that will become the show?"

OMG. This is why it's an alternate universe from the regular PR universe. What we saw today was the real PR universe. Events analogous to RPM took place there. The RPM we see is actually the show based on that.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

....

You just found the goddamned rosetta stone. This solves EVERYTHING.

I think I love you.

[Xerox]

After they defeat Venjix, the rangers play themselves in a TV show based on their exploits.


As much as that almost makes sense, it doesn't explain why at the end they go out and continue their ranger duties. Other than that, pretty solid theory.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Because there's other villains out there (without the Machine Syndicate holding back the Org infestation problem, can you imagine what must be wandering the wastelands?) and other reasons the Corinth defense force might be of need of Power Rangers.

[Jacen Solo]

Do you mean Scott? Or am I not getting the joke?

Darn it! That's the second time I've done that. Yeah, I meant Scott.


Oh come on. Reuse the Masked Rider fanwank.

After they defeat Venjix, the rangers play themselves in a TV show based on their exploits.

The question then becomes, "Is the RPM we see the show they made or are we seeing the events that will become the show?"

OMG. This is why it's an alternate universe from the regular PR universe. What we saw today was the real PR universe. Events analogous to RPM took place their. The RPM we see is actually the show based on that.

This is sheer genius. You deserve a Golden Clarinet for that. It would also explain why Doc K/Ziggy and Summer/Dillon seemed so chummy.

[Mr. Yellow]

Heh..from Dan Ewing's Twitter(www.twitter.com/danewing12):

"Have seen RPM eps 21 - 25 apologies for 23 is a joke. 25 makes up for it tho."

[Quark]

I wonder why he'd like that episode?


When we got word from behind the scenes saying "depression has set in among cast and crew," I think And... Action was that moment.

[DrBravo2]

As long as this episode is in continuity...Koichi Sakamoto (or someone that looks like him) is alive in the post-apocalyptic future of RPM!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The one production slate has his name on it.

Oh, Bravo... No less an authority than Rov agrees with you on this. He just IMed me, giddy as hell about his revelation. He was so dejected to know you beat him to it. His tears and bitter disappointment filled me with girlish delight. But it explains EVERYTHING. Why Tenaya is a cyborg, why there is no mention of Sentai whatsoever, why the Grinders are not stunties but rather BENEVOLENT footsoldiers...

(and before anyone asks about the "stunt team working on PR for years" aspect, do remember that Ziggy calls what they just produced a FILM. RPM may be a series of TV-movies internal to their universe)

[nekollx]

The one production slate has his name on it.

Oh, Bravo... No less an authority than Rov agrees with you on this. He just IMed me, giddy as hell about his revelation. He was so dejected to know you beat him to it. His tears and bitter disappointment filled me with girlish delight. But it explains EVERYTHING. Why Tenaya is a cyborg, why there is no mention of Sentai whatsoever, why the Grinders are not stunties but rather BENEVOLENT footsoldiers...

(and before anyone asks about the "stunt team working on PR for years" aspect, do remember that Ziggy calls what they just produced a FILM. RPM may be a series of TV-movies internal to their universe)

everything is a filk in hollywood, it's just the lingo.

That said it was pure fluff, but it was fun. Really geting even a semi behindthe scenes is nice. Its outside the box thinking

[nekollx]

Because there's other villains out there (without the Machine Syndicate holding back the Org infestation problem, can you imagine what must be wandering the wastelands?) and other reasons the Corinth defense force might be of need of Power Rangers.

this has fan fiction written all over it...ahem let me set the stage

We thought it was all over after we defeated Venjix. Cornth was safe, and we became celibirities. We got comfortable with our lives, Tanaya 15 even became one of us. Hell we made a TV shot to reenact our exploits, but little did we know that danger was lurking just below the surface. With the world in waste no one could detect the rise of the Orgs, being who thrive in pollution and desolation. Years ago a team of power rangers stopped them, but they are long gone...
We are all that's left.

[DrBravo2]

The one production slate has his name on it.

Oh, Bravo... No less an authority than Rov agrees with you on this. He just IMed me, giddy as hell about his revelation. He was so dejected to know you beat him to it. His tears and bitter disappointment filled me with girlish delight. But it explains EVERYTHING. Why Tenaya is a cyborg, why there is no mention of Sentai whatsoever, why the Grinders are not stunties but rather BENEVOLENT footsoldiers...
Well, I'm honored to ruin Rov's day.

I love how well it works, too. The visual effects segment? They talk about three things.
1) Removing wires from a choreographed fight.
2) Recreating a Venjix war scene (too costly to actually recreate in universe when you can use a computer.
3) Scott's morphing sequence - something that's too quick to see when they actually morph.

The actors actually morph.




(and before anyone asks about the "stunt team working on PR for years" aspect, do remember that Ziggy calls what they just produced a FILM. RPM may be a series of TV-movies internal to their universe)

OOOOH, even better. The quote was, "Our stuntmen have been training power rangers for years." In universe, the stunties ACTUALLY TRAIN POWER RANGERS. They're retired to fight choreography post-Venjix victory!

[Beast King]

In a way that's a good way to explain them.

[Thrax]

the final scene of the episode is really good, Ziggy and Scott, Ziggy tell he will be the next red ranger

[Cmdr Crayfish]

2) Recreating a Venjix war scene (too costly to actually recreate in universe when you can use a computer.

I'm just in love with the fact that Tenaya, the Grinders, and apparently the remaining Attack Bots are all benevolent and working for Village Roadshow Corinth now. This even explains why they're filming outdoors again (thus digitally inserting the dome), with the infrastructure of the Machine Syndicate's fabrication plants repurposed towards rebuilding the ecosystem and most of them would be prowling around out there anyway, looking to make a little extra scratch on the side. I mean, sure, at least 90% of humanity is dead and buried, but...

(perhaps robots are no longer allowed within the dome after the events of the finale? That may seem a trifle racist, but I could see the logic, and that would leave most of the planet wide open for them to inhabit)


OOOOH, even better. The quote was, "Our stuntmen have been training power rangers for years." In universe, the stunties ACTUALLY TRAIN POWER RANGERS. They're retired to fight choreography post-Venjix victory!

Ex-Corinth Defense Force members retire to a cushy life teaching superheroes how to FAKE a punch rather than actually take one. Though I'm amused and delighted none of the Rangers discusses having, or needing, acting coaches. I realize the whole purpose of this episode was to do a behind the scenes episode while keeping the fourth wall intact for the kiddies, but if the characters are REALLY playing fictionalized versions of themselves it seems like someone would have had to teach them acting...

[Beast King]

After watching this episode again, i might shift my vote from Ok to good, cause i kinda got it more after watching the second time.

[nekollx]

Well, I'm honored to ruin Rov's day.

I love how well it works, too. The visual effects segment? They talk about three things.
1) Removing wires from a choreographed fight.
2) Recreating a Venjix war scene (too costly to actually recreate in universe when you can use a computer.
3) Scott's morphing sequence - something that's too quick to see when they actually morph.

The actors actually morph.




OOOOH, even better. The quote was, "Our stuntmen have been training power rangers for years." In universe, the stunties ACTUALLY TRAIN POWER RANGERS. They're retired to fight choreography post-Venjix victory!


I'm just in love with the fact that Tenaya, the Grinders, and apparently the remaining Attack Bots are all benevolent and working for Village Roadshow Corinth now. This even explains why they're filming outdoors again (thus digitally inserting the dome), with the infrastructure of the Machine Syndicate's fabrication plants repurposed towards rebuilding the ecosystem and most of them would be prowling around out there anyway, looking to make a little extra scratch on the side. I mean, sure, at least 90% of humanity is dead and buried, but...

(perhaps robots are no longer allowed within the dome after the events of the finale? That may seem a trifle racist, but I could see the logic, and that would leave most of the planet wide open for them to inhabit)



Ex-Corinth Defense Force members retire to a cushy life teaching superheroes how to FAKE a punch rather than actually take one. Though I'm amused and delighted none of the Rangers discusses having, or needing, acting coaches. I realize the whole purpose of this episode was to do a behind the scenes episode while keeping the fourth wall intact for the kiddies, but if the characters are REALLY playing fictionalized versions of themselves it seems like someone would have had to teach them acting...

Adding this all to my notes for

"RPM: After Venjix"

[Super Jeff]

It's plausible that Ziggy can be the next Red Ranger, heck look at Bridge, he went from Green, to Blue, to red.

[Beast King]

I wonder what would push Scott to retire?

[toughturnips]

Maybe a high level position from Scott's father and it's the kind of recognition Scott's been waiting for? Or maybe one day he takes over for Dr. K?

[Beast King]

Maybe, and what becomes of K? I mean he is actually older than she is.

[toughturnips]

I know but I was thinking maybe along the lines is that she finally wants to break away and live her life after missing out on so much growing up. (Assuming she'd do this after Venjix is gone)

[Beast King]

Makes sense, but then, if Corinth is now safe, why should people stay within the dome? This is a great chance for them to begin re-building their world.

[Digifiend]

It's plausible that Ziggy can be the next Red Ranger, heck look at Bridge, he went from Green, to Blue, to red.It's not plausible for anyone to be the next Ranger Operator Series Red, the morphers are DNA bonded remember.

[Jacen Solo]

(perhaps robots are no longer allowed within the dome after the events of the finale? That may seem a trifle racist, but I could see the logic, and that would leave most of the planet wide open for them to inhabit)

And thus preparing the way for Time Force, where prejudice against robots and mutants led to some very serious problems.

[Mugenhunt]

Of course, this is all dependent on RPM ending in such a fashion that leaves us with all seven Rangers, Tenaya with her cybernetic implants, and grinders still running around.

*crosses fingers*

[Cmdr Crayfish]

And thus preparing the way for Time Force, where prejudice against robots and mutants led to some very serious problems.

We don't actually know that robots were discriminated against by anyone other than Ransik. Circuit was a welcome member of the Time Force team. Steelix was a cyborg (just like Mister Dr. Ra-Ra Robots Frax) and nobody stopped him from being a law enforcement officer. We've seen Cyclobots of Ferricks' own design milling about the commons of Millennium City, which leads me to believe they're attendant droids for most people.

[mustang3173]

This was a waste of an episode. It was however a very creative idea for a clip show. This episode shouldn't have even been aired, and should be a bonus feature on a DVD. Plus, this episode takes away some of the "magic" of the show itself, something that should be optionally viewed and not part of the main series.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Of course, this is all dependent on RPM ending in such a fashion that leaves us with all seven Rangers, Tenaya with her cybernetic implants, and grinders still running around.

*crosses fingers*

What makes you say that? After all, liberties might be taken with how the season ends, just as liberties have obviously been taken already. Ziggy certainly had no qualms trying to lobby to replace Scott as Red Ranger. I would think killing off or peace conferencing someone who is still team commander in the real world is indicative that there's been significant changes already.

(Ziggy could make a persuasive argument about that, you know -- the Corinth military would have need of a Red Ranger out on the field when they might be filming things for the show, whereas he just needs to PUT a Red Ranger costume on over his own Ranger uniform, and unlike most of the team Ziggy can just teleport to wherever they need him to be when things get really hairy)

[Cmdr Crayfish]

This was a waste of an episode. It was however a very creative idea for a clip show. This episode shouldn't have even been aired, and should be a bonus feature on a DVD. Plus, this episode takes away some of the "magic" of the show itself, something that should be optionally viewed and not part of the main series.

Do people not seem to grasp that they had NO CHOICE on the matter? They had a contractual obligation to produce so many episodes and Eddie left them severely behind schedule and precipitously close to going over-budget. This burned an entire episode using behind the scenes materials that (in some cases) were shot while Eddie was still with the series. This combined with a clip show got them caught up on production lead-time and the budget.

[toughturnips]

Makes sense, but then, if Corinth is now safe, why should people stay within the dome? This is a great chance for them to begin re-building their world.

True but wouldn't it be a while? We still have no idea what's in the wasteland considering how long it took Kilobyte to get to Venjix headquarters. I think it'd be a while before everything gets cleared out and re-building would take time.


It's not plausible for anyone to be the next Ranger Operator Series Red, the morphers are DNA bonded remember.

So what happens if something happens to one of the rangers? Let's say they're killed for instance. Does the morpher become useless? But then if it -can- be re-programmed, then it wouldn't make sense as to why Dr. K didn't pull Ziggy off the team.

[The 2nd Evil]

This burned an entire episode using behind the scenes materials that (in some cases) were shot while Eddie was still with the series.

Wait, really?

So that battle scene being shown filmed in parts may have actually been intended for use in an episode that got scrapped?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The logical solution is that it can be rekeyed, but only after the host has died. Given it is connected to their LIFEFORCE, this is a simple solution. It also means, annoying as K might find Ziggy, she's not going to risk flatlining him specifically so she can unlock the morpher.

(and in the PRU, do we know flatlining alone is sufficient? Does the soul have to physically leave the body for the morpher to unlock? The Grid runs on lifeforce, so this is valid)

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Wait, really?

There are behind the scenes sequences from several Eddie episodes littering the ep.

[Aeon87]

It wasn't bad I kinda wish that it was a just behind the scenes episode and not made to be part of rpm. I think the outtakes were the best bit of the whole episode I mean i know we had them at the end credits of some of saban's PR but these were good.

[Mugenhunt]

There are behind the scenes sequences from several Eddie episodes littering the ep.

Hence why Eddie was once again credited as Executive Producer for this episode.

[toughturnips]

The logical solution is that it can be rekeyed, but only after the host has died. Given it is connected to their LIFEFORCE, this is a simple solution. It also means, annoying as K might find Ziggy, she's not going to risk flatlining him specifically so she can unlock the morpher.

(and in the PRU, do we know flatlining alone is sufficient? Does the soul have to physically leave the body for the morpher to unlock? The Grid runs on lifeforce, so this is valid)


So what would Dr.K have done with Ziggy's morpher had his name not been cleared? (assuming the cartels didn't take Ziggy and he was just to remain in his jail cell) They still needed a Ranger Green and he was still alive.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Under those circumstances?

K's pretty cold-blooded. She'd have ordered the hit.

[Jacen Solo]

Ziggy certainly had no qualms trying to lobby to replace Scott as Red Ranger.

Just wanted to mention something. This means NOTHING, though (obviously). You know the ads we see for PRRPM on ABC Kids? At the end, they have Ziggy saying "Is it just me, or do I rock?" Yet it shows the Red Ranger ...


Under those circumstances?

K's pretty cold-blooded. She'd have ordered the hit.

I don't believe that for a moment. She already had the creation of Venjix and the deaths of Gem and Gemma (or so she thought) on her conscience. On the other side of the coin, though, Doc K had the greater good to think about. I think ultimately she would have had to give Ziggy back the morpher, putting him on a work-release agreement like Dillon.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

She'd have ordered the hit.

"Ranger Operator Series Green produces an emotion in me which I cannot identify. As my baseline response to other humans is apathy, I must take it to mean he produces a feeling of revulsion. As humans are supposed to be able to detect danger or duplicity in others, this means what I do is for the greater good."

[Hears All]

Heh..from Dan Ewing's Twitter(www.twitter.com/danewing12):

"Have seen RPM eps 21 - 25 apologies for 23 is a joke. 25 makes up for it tho."

Good to see Dan actually watches his own season and interacts with the fans

[Mugenhunt]

She'd have ordered the hit.

Yeah.

"Ending his biological functions would ensure that more resources would be available for the other, law-abiding residents of Corinth, and likewise allow for another, more qualified candidate to be chosen for the Series Green technology."

Remember, early Dr. K was hardcore.

[BattleForceRed]

I liked the episode alot...it was a fun look into the series, and that's it..just take it as it is...a fun episode of a series...least it's not the clipshow we got in prdt..legacy of power..ugh now that was aweful!!..and that was what the 200th episode?...and the in character sequences were fun IMO..I figured they didnt want to give us a standard clipshow and give us some sort of episode..with new content and not just clips..and the "morphing time" quip was awesome!!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Considering Double Duty was the 300th episode, no. Legacy of Power was not the 200th episode.

[Fang RX]

Legacy Of Power was the 500th Episode, and it's still a favorite of mine.

[Crimson Soul]

and likewise allow for another, more qualified candidate to be chosen for the Series Green technology."


Scratch that. The Morphers are DNA-bonded.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Did you even read the conversation we were having in the first place?

Hint: "ordering a hit" means ASSASSINATING the host. Since the Grid taps into lifeforce, suspending that host entity's lifeforce presumably unlocks the morpher again. SO SHE WOULD KILL ZIGGY. DO I NEED TO DRAW A DIAGRAM.

[Jacen Solo]

Seriously man, stop being patronizing. There's no reason for it.


Yeah.

"Ending his biological functions would ensure that more resources would be available for the other, law-abiding residents of Corinth, and likewise allow for another, more qualified candidate to be chosen for the Series Green technology."

Remember, early Dr. K was hardcore.


She'd have ordered the hit.

"Ranger Operator Series Green produces an emotion in me which I cannot identify. As my baseline response to other humans is apathy, I must take it to mean he produces a feeling of revulsion. As humans are supposed to be able to detect danger or duplicity in others, this means what I do is for the greater good."

Yikes ... you've convinced me. Makes me glad this is a kid's show (however grownup RPM has turned out to be), and doubly glad Ziggy's name was cleared. Computerscreen!Doctor K probably would have ordered the hit. Her identity was protected (heck, Ziggy -- and I as well -- thought she was a guy!).

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I abhor people who misunderstand things while themselves being condescending. If he'd made even a perfunctory effort to read the conversation he barged into, he'd have stayed his tongue. He wanted to act better than someone else without impetus to do so. I have no qualms acting like a jerk to people who do that. I'd expect the same in kind.

[toughturnips]

Yeah.

"Ending his biological functions would ensure that more resources would be available for the other, law-abiding residents of Corinth, and likewise allow for another, more qualified candidate to be chosen for the Series Green technology."

Remember, early Dr. K was hardcore.


She'd have ordered the hit.

"Ranger Operator Series Green produces an emotion in me which I cannot identify. As my baseline response to other humans is apathy, I must take it to mean he produces a feeling of revulsion. As humans are supposed to be able to detect danger or duplicity in others, this means what I do is for the greater good."

What episode(s) did she say this? I tried looking through episodes 4-6 but didn't find it. And I knew she was hardcore but ouch.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

* headesk *

[Mugenhunt]

We made them up. That's what she might have said had Ziggy been convicted of his crimes and forced to remain in jail. Sorry if it confused you.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Stop being nicer than me! You're like a zero-emissions Funaro!

[toughturnips]

Well excuse me for living. Oh noes I read something wrong on the internet. Geez.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

You're excused.

[Crimson Soul]

Did you even read the conversation we were having in the first place?

I have been following the conversation. I apologize if I came off as condescending. I didn't mean to do so.

Maybe the concept is just going beyond my head, and if it is feel free to tell me so.

It has been stated multiple times in RPM (especially during the early episodes) that the morphers are bonded to the Rangers by their DNA, similar to how the Time Force morphers were bonded to the DNA of the Time Force Rangers. During the first part of “Force From the Future,” Alex was presumably killed by Ransik, right? (The only reason he was able to return later on in the series was due to the timeline being altered) The Time Force Rangers were forced to find a descendent of matching DNA in order to activate the Red morpher after Alex's death. Alex's lifeforce had ended, but the Morpher had not unlocked itself.

If Ziggy was offed, the Rangers would have been forced to a) fight Venjix without the Series Green technology and eventually be destroyed or b) find a member of Corinth with similar DNA to Ziggy’s (which let’s be honest, would be nearly impossibly with most of the world's population bitting the dust and all). Isn’t this the reason why they kept Ziggy around as the Ranger Green Series Operator in the first place? Because after he bonded with the Morpher, they really had no other choice?

I understand what your trying to say about the life force energy and all (which ties into your/RPM’s explanation about the Morphing Grid) but it doesn't make since because the morphers are BONDED to the DNA of the Rangers. If Doctor K could just ghost Ziggy, then why did she even bother keeping him around in the first place (or saving his life from the Cartels for that matter)? Let’s face it. She hated the fact Ziggy was a Ranger, but was forced to deal with him because she had no other options.

[toughturnips]

You're excused.

Good, now you'll be able to sleep well at night.

[nekollx]

I have been following the conversation. I apologize if I came off as condescending. I didn't mean to do so.

Maybe the concept is just going beyond my head, and if it is feel free to tell me so.

It has been stated multiple times in RPM (especially during the early episodes) that the morphers are bonded to the Rangers by their DNA, similar to how the Time Force morphers were bonded to the DNA of the Time Force Rangers. During the first part of “Force From the Future,” Alex was presumably killed by Ransik, right? (The only reason he was able to return later on in the series was due to the timeline being altered) The Time Force Rangers were forced to find a descendent of matching DNA in order to activate the Red morpher after Alex's death. Alex's lifeforce had ended, but the Morpher had not unlocked itself.

If Ziggy was offed, the Rangers would have been forced to a) fight Venjix without the Series Green technology and eventually be destroyed or b) find a member of Corinth with similar DNA to Ziggy’s (which let’s be honest, would be nearly impossibly with most of the world's population bitting the dust and all). Isn’t this the reason why they kept Ziggy around as the Ranger Green Series Operator in the first place? Because after he bonded with the Morpher, they really had no other choice?

I understand what your trying to say about the life force energy and all (which ties into your/RPM’s explanation about the Morphing Grid) but it doesn't make since because the morphers are BONDED to the DNA of the Rangers. If Doctor K could just ghost Ziggy, then why did she even bother keeping him around in the first place (or saving his life from the Cartels for that matter)? Let’s face it. She hated the fact Ziggy was a Ranger, but was forced to deal with him because she had no other options.

fair points but to also be fair, k invented the morphers so it's a bit different. Time Force didn;t have the creator of the morphers on hand to fix them.

I find it hard to belive the Time Force/RPM morphers, which were designed as military inoations ,with be FOREVER locked to one blood line.

In the field of battle its a good seaftey but when you have time to code break it/reprograme it i think they could be unlocked.

Probably bee time consuming though.

[Anza Power]

Power Rangers are not real! Power Rangers are not real! LIFE IS NO LONGER MEANINGFUL MY CHILDHOOD HAS BEEN RUINED EVEN THOUGH I'M 16!!! :sad::sad::sad:

It was cool as a behind the scenes but as an EPISODE?! MAJOR MISTAKE!

Should have been a DVD extra, don't these cruel people ever take the safety of a child's imagination into concentration here? :sad:

[Cmdr Crayfish]

We KNOW the Red Chronomorpher was eventually unlocked from the Collins/Drake familial line. Commander Tate is using it about ten years after Wes inherits it. Since the Quantum Controller (the prototype) used ONLY voice authorization protocols, and Zaskin was convinced he could reverse-engineer it to create an elite guard of Quantum Guardians for the CGD... Stands to reason he ultimately unlocked the Chronomorpher too.

Besides, the Time Force powers are NOT Grid based. We can flat out prove that by deductive reasoning. The connection to the lifeforce of the host is completely different than the RPM powers.

[Thrax]

Besides, the Time Force powers are NOT Grid based. We can flat out prove that by deductive reasoning. The connection to the lifeforce of the host is completely different than the RPM powers.

well but dont forget TF have databases of the story of the world and maybe they see waht happen there and maybe the explore the RPM tecnology when the city begins to start because first time force as because to build the city and thme TF begins to work in the Time travel but the RPM as the tecnology to start but dont use the morphing grid

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The technology for the RPM morphers draws power from the Grid. The Grid is some type of dimension or construct which draws upon the collective lifeforce of everything in the universe. That's why power duplication is said to be a problem under many circumstances. Inversely, the Chronomorphers have some sort of internalized power source like the Quantum Morpher and Quantasaurus (but without using Trizirium Crystals as the Q-Rex does). Interestingly, the Time Flyers and Time Shadow specifically use some sort of FUEL and must return to the future for refueling.

The technology to draw power from the Grid is called remote broadcasting. Tesla was experimenting with the idea, albeit not for magical lifeforce conduit thingies. You literally TAP INTO A SIGNAL and extract the energy from the vacuum of space. The Chronomorphers use sophisticated BATTERIES. The technology to develop these sorts of power systems are parallel to one another (they seek to accomplish the same thing), but the methods and means by which they do so are NOT comparable. The RPM Rangers are no more the forebears to the Time Force Rangers than the Lightspeed Rangers or A-Squad/B-Squad are. ALL of them "beam" the powers in.

[Thrax]

The technology for the RPM morphers draws power from the Grid. The Grid is some type of dimension or construct which draws upon the collective lifeforce of everything in the universe. That's why power duplication is said to be a problem under many circumstances. Inversely, the Chronomorphers have some sort of internalized power source like the Quantum Morpher and Quantasaurus (but without using Trizirium Crystals as the Q-Rex does). Interestingly, the Time Flyers and Time Shadow specifically use some sort of FUEL and must return to the future for refueling.

I agreed with all, the RPM powers are created use the morphing grid, and about the Zords of TF you are right to, just Q-rex dont need to return to future because the power of the crystals give him boost of power

[Cmdr Crayfish]

That's what I said, yes. The Q-Rex has an internalized power source, like the six morphers, but is the only one of those things to use a Trizirium Crystal. Which is interesting, really. Wes rendering its Trizirium Crystal inert doesn't render it powerless, it just helps to further stabilize the timestorms. It seems that, as you said, the crystal is only there to give it a boost. It doesn't actually NEED it as a fuel source.

(or it's a component of some sort of rechargeable battery, and Zaskin later had to kludge something together to recharge the Quantasaurus in lieu of having an onboard secondary power source)

[Thrax]

Or well TF change the future and that make some events to happen in the world

[Jacen Solo]

I'm beginning to hope RPM really is in official continuity. Its ties to Time Force would be fun to figure out, despite the inevitable headache.


Or well TF change the future and that make some events to happen in the world

On the note of Time Force, though, we know that the Red Time Force morpher arrived in 2001 and remained there anachronistically with Wes. The others went back to 3000 with Jen and company. It's irony that the Pink, Green, Blue, and Yellow Time Force morphers may have been created using technology from that Red morpher. In that sense, when the Red Time Force morpher arrived in 2001, history was changed to allow for the creation of the other four morphers.

Time travel ... a travesty of confusion ...

[Cmdr Crayfish]

That doesn't make sense. The Red Chronomorpher was destroyed by 2010. There's no internal chronology connecting the Silver Guardians (who did not exist in the original timeline) to Time Force. If there isn't a CGD in Corinth, it seems that wing of Biolab didn't survive. Do remember that prior to Collins acquiring a few other companies due to the timeline changes, Biolab was exclusively in the pharmaceutical field. It was named Biosynth. This is apparently where Zaskin came from, they bought his company out.

The proof of concept for the Chronomorphers was the Quantum Morpher. While there is a question of what happened to Eric's morpher in the next 980 or so years, don't introduce predestination paradoxes where none exist. Indeed, where none can exist.

[mmpr grove]

Wes being able to use Alex's morpher bothers me a little. Even if Alex is descended from Wes he would (unless his family is a bunch of in breeders) carry very little to zero matching genetic material.

The explanation I use is that Alex is in fact Wes's clone. I believe with very little (compared to pre-venjix) left after the rpm era, it is decided to speed up the repopulate process by using clones. With clones of dead rangers and other dead heroes being used as law enforcement and other protection/rescue duties. Considering pretty much everyone (born on earth) in the 31st century are test tube babies this makes the best explanation to me.

[DrBravo2]

Wes being able to use Alex's morpher bothers me a little. Even if Alex is descended from Wes he would (unless his family is a bunch of in breeders) carry very little to zero matching genetic material.

The explanation I use is that Alex is in fact Wes's clone. I believe with very little (compared to pre-venjix) left after the rpm era, it is decided to speed up the repopulate process by using clones. With clones of dead rangers and other dead heroes being used as law enforcement and other protection/rescue duties. Considering pretty much everyone (born on earth) in the 31st century are test tube babies this makes the best explanation to me.
They had different hair colors. They're demonstrably not 100% genetic matches. They clearly share enough DNA for the Chronomorpher to consider them a match.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Ransik Lives and its assembly lines of prefabricated fetuses pretty clearly denotes humanity is, at the very least, extensively gene-screened and modified. Natural childbirth leads to mutancy. Jackie continues to insist Alex is a descendant of Wes and not a clone, but the only way this would work is if Wes has multiple children whose far distant descendants later interbreed and somehow a magical combination of recessive genes leads to a child 99% identical to his ancestor.

But for god's sake, Wes is the only child of the head of a MEDICAL CONGLOMERATE. I would imagine Albert kept samples of his genetic material. It's possible even before the Biolab timeline change, Biosynth's medical records and materials were being utilized by Time Force to help repopulate humanity.

[Mugenhunt]

Jackie continues to insist Alex is a descendant of Wes and not a clone, but the only way this would work is if Wes has multiple children whose far distant descendants later interbreed and somehow a magical combination of recessive genes leads to a child 99% identical to his ancestor.

But we have precedent of that being how genetics in the PR Universe works! Wild West Rangers!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Looking like your relatives (even ridiculously so) is different from being almost exact matches to them genetically. Shooter Jennings looks insanely like his father, doesn't mean a morpher keyed to Weylon would work for him.

[mmpr grove]

Even two slightly removed relatives have as much DNA in common as two randomly picked strangers.

Example of slightly removed relatives: yourself and your cousin's daughter or son. The two of you would have as much DNA as common as two random pick people would with each other.

A descendant of yours from a hundred future? You and your descendant (as crayfish already stated) regardless of how much you look alike would have very few shared gens between you.

Odds are very great, that Alex is Wes' clone. Jackie clearly is in denial of the fact and lacks some knowledge in biology.

[Neo Aguni]

Does it really matter? Time Force was eight years ago, and Besides this is supposed to be discussion about the RPM episode And...Action.

[mmpr grove]

And...Action is a spam episode. Yeah, disney spammed us!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Does it really matter? Time Force was eight years ago, and Besides this is supposed to be discussion about the RPM episode And...Action.

Once again: if you have an issue with people discussing Power Rangers on a Power Rangers board, take it up with a moderator. This thread has sprawled in so many directions that you'll never get this discussion split off into a separate one.

Conversation goes in a multitude of directions, and this is the first episode of RPM to expressly delve into the notion that perhaps the series we've been watching ISN'T in the PR universe, as the original showrunner kept telling us. This version of the show we get a brief glimpse of may be the only representation of the actual PRU version of RPM we'll ever see.

So knock it the hell off.

[AoBlue]

Ransik Lives and its assembly lines of prefabricated fetuses pretty clearly denotes humanity is, at the very least, extensively gene-screened and modified. Natural childbirth leads to mutancy. Jackie continues to insist Alex is a descendant of Wes and not a clone, but the only way this would work is if Wes has multiple children whose far distant descendants later interbreed and somehow a magical combination of recessive genes leads to a child 99% identical to his ancestor.

But for god's sake, Wes is the only child of the head of a MEDICAL CONGLOMERATE. I would imagine Albert kept samples of his genetic material. It's possible even before the Biolab timeline change, Biosynth's medical records and materials were being utilized by Time Force to help repopulate humanity.

Who's Albert?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Mr. Collins' name starts with A, we've seen his desk plate. When pressed to invent a name for himself in Undercover Rangers, Wes calls himself Albert. Jen has a WEIRD response to Wes using that name, and he notes he "had to call himself something." I realize his name could be Adam, Alan, Abner, or even Alex... But Jackie knew who I meant when I said "Albert Collins" at PMC, which leads me to believe I'm right in my guess.

[AoBlue]

Ook. That does make sense. LoL. Kinda funny.

[Mugenhunt]

Odds are very great, that Alex is Wes' clone. Jackie clearly is in denial of the fact and lacks some knowledge in biology.

See, where I stand, she's just embracing that genetics works completely differently in the PRU. Dear god, everyone back in Angel Grove in the 1880s ends up having descendants who look EXACTLY the same. It's very possible that's not just a weird quirk, but a feature of how heredity works! You have a strong chance of being exactly like your ancestors, no matter how much intermarriage and diversity was introduced to your family along the way. And if that's the case, then Alex can be Wes' descendant without needing to be a clone.

I mean, him being a clone makes more sense from a real world perspective, but this is a world of Magical Alien Ninja Robots where you can go back in time and find perfect DNA matches of people you know.

[ShadowNightWolf]

i dunno if anyone noticed, but the INSTRUMENTAL/vocal-less version of the 3rd RPM DEMO theme song was inserted in the middle of the episode. i think during the dillon/summer stunts part...rewatch and see..

[Beast King]

Yeah, i pointed that out on Youtube, i wonder if we can hear the first one anywhere?

[ShadowDragonRanger]

Oh come on. Reuse the Masked Rider fanwank.

After they defeat Venjix, the rangers play themselves in a TV show based on their exploits.

The question then becomes, "Is the RPM we see the show they made or are we seeing the events that will become the show?"

OMG. This is why it's an alternate universe from the regular PR universe. What we saw today was the real PR universe. Events analogous to RPM took place there. The RPM we see is actually the show based on that.
That's what I was trying to say!! (albeit in so little words). I'm not mad, though. At least the thought is out there now...

[Jacen Solo]

And just to think, when the little kids watching this now grow up, they're going to be having this exact same debate! Perhaps by then, a computer virus will take over the world.

[Digifiend]

Not on Norton's watch they won't... ;)

[JKahn913]

This episode reminds me of "NBA Inside Stuff."

[ShadowDragonRanger]

Oh, one more thing I forgot to bring up...
I'm surprised by the poll results. Honestly, I thought it would be inverted from the others for this season: more people would end up voting 'Terrible'...
Wow, there's egg on my face! :D

[Digifiend]

I see what you mean, most people seem to love it. Results so far:
Amazinghttp://www.rangercrew.com/forum/clear.gif 37 37.00%
Good 24 24.00%
OK 25 25.00%
Poor 3 3.00%
Terrible 11 11.00%

[Mr. CD]

Episode Polls aren't really a solid way of finding out how people feel about an episode since you have folks who will always give an episode high ratings all the time, even if said episode had questionable quality. Hell, No 'I' in Leader got like 20+ AWESOME and that episode was horrid.

[-sdp]

I don't know how to establish this episode in continuity and mostly because the characters are in-character....I did read all the theories in the thread and event he ones at rovang. The show-within-a-show is definitely a theory I thought of while watching it but I just hate the idea and theres inconsistencies... But its either that or ignore it, now the logical thing would be to ignore it, this is what most of the fandom has done and any normal person/kid watching it would and the way it was meant to be taken when they wrote the episode not the whole show-within-a show nonsense. Too bad god wired me in such a way that I must find a better solution than just ignoring it.

As far as it being a show-within-a show I'm only ok with it if its after RPM ends but the more I think of it should it really be in continuity? I was beginning to think about the "message from the PRs" In those all the characters are usually in character and a lot of the shorts work perfectly in continuity even if a bit cheesy. But theres also a few were they are in character and tell you how "billy is a gymnast" and the one were Paul Schrier, tells them he's an actor. So yeah would those be in continuity as well? Thats my excuse to take it out of continuity.


Anyways as far as the episode itself its terrible, I would have rather have had a second clip show. I don't really understand why it was necessary to make it. Sure they were behind schedule but they still filmed the entire episode in-character and even a fight scene. Couldn't they have made an episode that relied heavily on sentai footage? I'm sure there were plenty of monsters they didn't use so why not have three or four monsters and have that and stock footage make up most of the episode? That would have taken as much effort IMO.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Rov says the Power Eagle one is canon. I MAINTAIN the one with Reggie returning to punkdom (and now being a drug dealer) is canon. :-D

[Digifiend]

Anyways as far as the episode itself its terrible, I would have rather have had a second clip show. I don't really understand why it was necessary to make it. Sure they were behind schedule but they still filmed the entire episode in-character and even a fight scene. Couldn't they have made an episode that relied heavily on sentai footage? I'm sure there were plenty of monsters they didn't use so why not have three or four monsters and have that and stock footage make up most of the episode? That would have taken as much effort IMO.Do you think these would've suited the premise of robots conquering the world?
http://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vi-nigori.jpghttp://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vm-bakki.jpghttp://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vm-rombiako.jpghttp://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vm-engine.jpghttp://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vm-shower.jpghttp://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/sentai/goon-vm-yatai.jpg
http://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/mc-goon.htm

That sixth one there was unusable because it features AkaRed's helmet, from Boukenger vs Super Sentai!

[Mugenhunt]

They had a silly and practically insane general for a reason. Just write the sillier monsters off as his creations, play up that while they look weird they are actually effective, and there ya go. They had the perfect setup for using ridiculous Go-Onger footage, and ignored it.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The first and fourth are BADASS.

[SapphireBuster]

The first one looks like it could've been a general or a higher up MOTW. The fourth looks like a killer carnival ride-ice cream truck.... thing.

[Qarlf]

I'm kinda glad we didn't get the 5th won, even though it would've been nice to see. Plus the 6th one just looks creepy.

[-sdp]

They explained away the zords so why not the MOTD?

Akared being there means nothing to normal viewers its just another mask.

[Digifiend]

The first one looks like it could've been a general or a higher up MOTW. That's because it is. "Water Pollution Prince Nigorl zo Arelunbra" - I haven't seen Go-onger, but that sounds like Kegalesia's subordinate, and she's Tenaya's counterpart.

[SapphireBuster]

That's because it is. "Water Pollution Prince Nigorl zo Arelunbra" - I haven't seen Go-onger, but that sounds like Kegalesia's subordinate, and she's Tenaya's counterpart.

Actually... the Water Pollution Prince was actual royalty within the Gaiark and had a severe crush on Kegaleshia, much to her chargin.

[DigiRanger]

Actually... the Water Pollution Prince was actual royalty within the Gaiark and had a severe crush on Kegaleshia, much to her chargin.

And the funny part is he ended up changing that to a crush on Bear RV.

[Digifiend]

Actually... the Water Pollution Prince was actual royalty within the Gaiark and had a severe crush on Kegaleshia, much to her chargin.If you knew that, why didn't you recognise the picture? Sounds like Kegalesia's presence is the reason RPM didn't use him anyway.

[SapphireBuster]

If you knew that, why didn't you recognise the picture? Sounds like Kegalesia's presence is the reason RPM didn't use him anyway.

I.... forgot his name actually. I haven't seen Go-onger in such a long time...

[SirGreen]

Hey looks like something else got bumped up. Figured id comment on it since it was made before my time

This thread definately gave me a headache. I watched all the episodes on you tube and i couldnt finish it cuz i thought it was stupid. It didnt make since like so many people have said. In character but talking to the cameras. Im definately liking that.

As for the monsters Digi posted i rather like the 1sr and 2nd to last one

[Captain Platypus]

Those make my soul bleed; especially number 4. I am so down with the folk who say 1 could be a general

[TZMhero]

I figured before listening to the Rangercast episode about it, that this could have just as easily been placed after the final episode of RPM. After the final episode aired, I had no reason to believe it couldn't be either. We've already seen that it is possible to re-program the grinders, so thats not an issue. Tenaya and Scott appeared to have a friendship even though they were sparring and passing some insults. The whole thing could have been, just as others have said, 'an episode filmed by the characters as a show for the city'. I think would be just as easily placed after the finale, just saying that the Rangers decided to either film some sort of series for the people of Corinth, or they were filming some sort of... educational video for the children of Corinth.

They also could have been asked by the obviously rather corrupt officials in charger of Corinth to make a video after the finale of RPM that could be used to either try to tell the kids that this was all make believe and they have been filming a movie the last few years, or to use as some sort of... brain washing, trying to get the people of Corinth to forget.

Yeah, all of this is stretching it a bit, I know.

[Mugenhunt]

Those make my soul bleed; especially number 4. I am so down with the folk who say 1 could be a general

1 was a general in Go-Onger. But he was killed off in his first appearance. He was a bit of a fop.
2 was a demon from Samurai World.
3 was an extradimensional monster that could only be defeated by the power of girls singing, in what was the strangest element of an already strange series.
4 wasn't just a monster of the day. It was a EVIL GIANT ROBOT, piloted by the generals.
5 was a monster of the day, in the girl power all the guys get put to sleep Go-Onger episode.
6 was also a monster of the day, and trapped the four giant robots in a bizarre carnival dimension.

1, 3, and 4 could probably be used in RPM easily enough.

[Captain Platypus]

I remember the giant robot. It still doesn't mean I'm okay with it being neon pink

[MegaZeo]

Do you think these would've suited the premise of robots conquering the world?

*Tries to remember some of the names I came up with back on Funaroboard*

Quakesfear, Macdeath

Seastroyer, Cloysterf**k

Gambot (I think)

Miss Not-Appearing-In-This-Season

And I can't remember what I called these two, so, new names!

Herculizard

Maskman

As for the question posed in the quote... Why wouldn't Quakesfear and Gambot work?

[Captain Platypus]

The unfortunate point of the "female" one's torso kind of makes it look like she has some...er, male parts...

[Digifiend]

Gambot, as in gaming - that's a good one. And Maskman, that would've been a great mythology gag! :)

[PowerOnyx]

And Maskman, that would've been a great mythology gag! :)

Which makes one wonder why a villain would have a Ranger mask in his collection.

[Digifiend]

That's probably why it wasn't used. Especially since it's Akared, who doesn't exist in Power Rangers.

[catt001]

The only thing that bugged me about this was that they didn't have their accents. We all KNOW they're from New Zealand. But the bloopers made it worth either way.

[wootwootsugaplum]

I thought this episode was funny. The explosion BTS was pretty cool with Gem and Gemma.

[alpona]

the thing I always want to see- Behind the scenes ! this is my most favorite power ranger episode !

[Thrax]

This episode is pretty good and well thecould used a special for a DVD becaue dont hep neither in the develomet of the RPM Narrative.