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Titanium Power
09-22-2009, 08:47 PM
what is up with the morphing grid? They always made it sound like something metaphysical like the Force, but then I see it in Overdrive's Once A Ranger and it is an actual grid. What are people's thoughts on this?
Crimson Soul
09-22-2009, 08:59 PM
* Flashes the signal *
http://www.grnrngr.com/monsters/pictures/zyu214.jpg
Super Jeff
09-22-2009, 09:13 PM
From what I understand, the morphing grid is both mystical and technological. I guess it has a mixture of both. That is why diffrent groups of rangers can axcess it. Not really sure though how you axcess it though.
Mugenhunt
09-22-2009, 09:34 PM
What we know of the Morphing Grid comes from Jackie Marchand talking about it at Power Morphicon, and from a really involved thread on another forum where several fans took the stuff she mentioned and wove a (mostly) coherent explanation out of it. Jackie then used elements from that fan theory in RPM, as a nod of the hat to fandom's collective awesomeness. (Chris Funaro's in particular.)
In short, the Morphing Grid is like the Force, in that it's an invisible energy field powered by all living things. That being said, what we saw in Operation Overdrive was either Alpha going into the Operation Overdrive's Morphing Grid connector, or just a representation of Alpha entering what is effectively another dimension.
The Morphing Grid is, for lack of a better term, divided by two axes. Color and Power Source. Each Ranger team has their own frequency on the Morphing Grid, and said frequency has different wavelengths depending on the color. This is why the Drago Clone was problematic, because you had two people trying to use the same section of the Morphing Grid at once, and that's problematic. Zordon was overly cautious of letting that happen, which is why he wouldn't use two Pink Rangers in Wild West Rangers though it should be noted that it isn't instantly the end of the world to have Ranger/Color overlap. Zordon is just paranoid. (Though for good reason!)
It's Jackie's intent that every Ranger team is connected to the Morphing Grid as the source of their powers. (Though there's some fan debate as to whether or not that's even possible.) It's also possible that the background that we see during the various morphing sequences is meant to be the various level of the grid that specific Ranger is channeling. IE, SPD has their own wavelength which is why their morph is different than say Operation Overdrive's.
But in essence, it's an energy field powered by all life, which Rangers can tap into using various means either mystical, spiritual or technological. The Totem Spirits of the Power Coins, the spell Mysto Galwit Ranger, the Overdrive Trackers. All of which are just ways to use the Morphing Grid for power.
This is really just a brief summary of a huge thread on Rangerboard about a year and some change ago. If you're interested in this sort of series mythology nonsense, I recommend reading it.
Titanium Power
09-22-2009, 09:44 PM
i see, good to know then
Quark
09-22-2009, 10:17 PM
Knowing is half the battle.
Mugenhunt
09-22-2009, 10:23 PM
The other half is violence.
Digifiend
09-23-2009, 03:57 AM
This is really just a brief summary of a huge thread on Rangerboard about a year and some change ago. If you're interested in this sort of series mythology nonsense, I recommend reading it.Over a year ago? Won't be easy to find, got a link?
Bighead
09-23-2009, 05:10 AM
http://www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=114206
Oh yes, I keep it bookmarked.
Digifiend
09-23-2009, 05:33 AM
Thanks. :) 44 pages!?! That's gonna take a long time to read.
Cyborg
09-23-2009, 08:46 AM
I stopped around Page 35, been meaning to finish those last 9 pages...
Aeon87
09-23-2009, 10:50 AM
The morphing grid is an energy field that's hidden all over the planet. Think of it as the lifestream in FFVII, for those who've played it. That's all i can say on it i'm sure Crmy Creyfish can give a detialed explanation
Cmdr Crayfish
09-23-2009, 11:42 AM
That simile is wrong and poorly defined.
The Morphing Grid is an energy field which is connected to everything alive in the physical universe as well as all near-orbiting subdimensions, such as the migratory subdimensions where Zordon kept bouncing to if the plasma tube wasn't locked in on his signal. Even with his body destroyed and his soul in another dimension, Zordon could affect the local Grid.
It appears the lifeforce energy emanating from beings is pulled into the Grid across space/time, and then fragmented on two different axises, as mentioned by Mugen. The Grid is "another dimension," a place you can physically enter under the right conditions, possibly a CONSTRUCT in another dimension since all metaphorical representation of the thing appears to be a tunnel or conduit. Derik has argued the Grid may have been built by the Venerated Ancestors as a lobster trap for the universe's excess, errant lifeforce energy. Take it in, and only the most talented can extract it again.
Regardless, you can go there. Which does make it a vast improvement over the Force. Through the Rock of Ages and its connection to the Grid, Kira and Ethan were able to receive memories of Sky and Z from twenty years in the future... And/or possibly their own erased memories from Wormhole.
Titanium Power
09-23-2009, 09:40 PM
So, morphing would be crossing into another dimension?
Cmdr Crayfish
09-23-2009, 10:04 PM
No, morphing is drawing energy from an extradimensional source. Though there is some circumstantial evidence that they are enveloped in a pocket dimension (eg: waste products are expunged)...
Deker
09-23-2009, 10:34 PM
I like how people come up with random crap for an explanation because the show never really defined how it worked or what exactly it was beyond a few vague references or talking points.
Here's such an example:
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Morphing_Grid
(Notice how it differentiates from the above hypothesis.)
"It was said by Zordon that the Grid is maintained by a balance between the major forces of good and the major forces of evil."
"In Dino Thunder, it was revealed that Tommy Oliver found the Grid's physical form and used it to create Ranger Archives with information of every generation of Power Rangers leading up to that point in time. "
Long story short, going from what you know of the show, the morphing grid is whatever you make it. It's been shown as a physical and referenced as a non-physical entity or creation. It's obviously available on other worlds as well as our own.
Consider it like a power conduit. It's just a transportation line for the energy that gives the Power Rangers their cool suits and abilities. When there is a surge of that power or too much of that power is tapped into, like a real power transportation line, it begins to or does fail. Part of that fact is proven in 'Once a Ranger'.
What gives it it's power? That is where the lines blur and the people like to debate unless you go by what Zordon had originally said.
But whatever the case, for a show aimed at 10 yr olds, it's not exactly something I lose sleep over at night. ;)
Cmdr Crayfish
09-23-2009, 10:40 PM
A ) If you continued to follow the fandom, you would know Jackie had observed the entire lengthy "what is the Grid" thread on RB and commented on it herself.
B ) She then canonized it this season.
C ) Your passive-aggressive "this show is for kids, stop analyzing it" act is annoying, Chad. Either discuss the show and contribute or leave.
Deker
09-23-2009, 11:02 PM
A ) If you continued to follow the fandom, you would know Jackie had observed the entire lengthy "what is the Grid" thread on RB and commented on it herself.
B ) She then canonized it this season.
C ) Your passive-aggressive "this show is for kids, stop analyzing it" act is annoying, Chad. Either discuss the show and contribute or leave.
First off you are not the boss, nor a mod, nor have any power. So telling me what to do is rather useless and pointless and rather stupid IMO. Let alone shows a sign of an ego on your part. You may be able to get away with a condescending attitude towards others, but you won't with me. And I did just discuss the show. Which obviously you didn't read. Like everyone else I stated my opinion and thoughts on the morphing grid. I know you want to think otherwise, but it neither makes them right nor wrong.
Why would I follow something I have grown out of and up from? I haven't even seen one episode of this seasons PR. Fact is, everyone seems to have their own ideas and opinions about the morphing grid. Let alone other aspects of the show. You are NOT the definitive voice of the fandom (or show), no matter how much you probably want to think otherwise.
Hell, many people on RB don't even watch the show anymore and still participate in discussions about PR and non-PR topics on RB. Of course you don't have the jewels to tell them the same thing. To either discuss the show and contribute to the discussion or leave. (Let alone tell others here that do the same thing, but much more often.)
What you hated is my indirect message to your above post. But the fact is, what you said is NOT the definitive answer. It's just that you want it to be. As those with ego's usually do.
Fact is, as much as you may not want to admit it, the show is aimed at those around 10 years of age. NOT those around 30. Last I checked, around 10 (early teens) was Disney's main demographic for the show. The "it's for 10 yr olds" is not an act. It's a fact. As that is the general demographic age market the show was and is aimed at. Not 20 or 30 somethings. Which I'm sure you have a hard time understanding. Just because you like the show, doesn't mean it's aimed at your age group. And just because you don't understand something about the show (which is shallow to begin with), doesn't mean it's smart to try filling in the empty spots. Some things are just better left unknown. But hey if it makes you sleep better at night then more power to ya.
Hey I started watching the show from it's very first premiere. But that doesn't mean I should bust a tear over such things. I don't find the relevance since the show is rather shallow IMO. And not knowing certain things lends an air of mystery. Pull back the curtain too much and the magic is gone.
So I would suggest quit telling me (or others) what to do. You are not a mod, the boss, or anyone else of importance to me.
Quark
09-23-2009, 11:14 PM
Why would I follow something I have grown out of and up from?
Then you're discussing it over the internets why, precisely? To tell people who are still fans to quit over thinking a kids show? Lovely.
Deker
09-23-2009, 11:22 PM
Then you're discussing it over the internets why, precisely? To tell people who are still fans to quit over thinking a kids show? Lovely.
Others do. Is there something that says I should be exempt from it? Go to RB (or even here). You'll find plenty there that haven't watched the show in awhile and still discuss it. Your point is moot.
And at what point did I say to quit thinking over a kids show? I didn't. I said the show is shallow. And that basically filling in missing plot points for a show aimed at kids that are just hitting puberty IMO is a waste of time. Especially for those that the show isn't even aimed at. Namely those that are in their late 20's and up. I mean hey, if wondering what Zordon was really made of makes someone wonder, more power to them. I just fail to see the importance of it or the relevance of it in a show that has more plot holes than swiss cheese has holes.
Basically trying to fill in the holes and understand the story is more for the older fans entertainment and does little for the 10 yr olds the show is aimed at.
But that's my opinion. Is there a law that states opinions can't be said? No. And if a person takes personal offense to it, that's their issue. Not mine.
Mugenhunt
09-23-2009, 11:36 PM
Dude, it's still a bit rude to go to a fanwanky discussion and say "You guys are wasting your time, you know that right?"
Sure, you can do it if you want, but it's still rude.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-23-2009, 11:44 PM
Man... I wish that guy had a fan community! :-D
Deker
09-23-2009, 11:50 PM
Dude, it's still a bit rude to go to a fanwanky discussion and say "You guys are wasting your time, you know that right?"
Sure, you can do it if you want, but it's still rude.
Again, I never said that. People keep trying to put words into my mouth that I never said. And like I said, if some people are so inspired to do so, more power to them. But like I said, with a show as plot hole ridden as PR, I see it as almost pointless as well as getting rid of some of the mystery the show used to have. But as I have said already, it's my opinion.
It's not rude. The problem is, some people think that if you don't subscribe to their way of thinking, then what you are saying is rude. Even if it's the truth. Or even if it's entirely opinion. Nothing I say will matter anyways. Nor anything Cmdr Crayfish or others say will ever matter anyways. Why? Simple.
If someone wants to fill in plot holes they will. If someone wants to create an elaborate story wrapped around the series they will. Long story short, with a show like PR there really is no definitive answer because of the nature of the content and the age demographic it's aimed at. (A non-thinking persons demographic basically.)
For every question that seems to get answered, more questions seem to come from that answer. It's a vicious (and IMO a pointless) circle doing nothing more than to try and please some hardcore fans or fans that grew up with the show that are still trying to validate it's existence in their life as they grow older and generally and usually away from it. It's the natural thing that happens.
I mean I watch cartoons once in a while. But I sure don't wonder who Smurfette got it on with in a village full of guy smurfs. Or why Gargamel couldn't just step on the Smurfs and get it over with. Shows like Power Rangers realistically are to have no point other than the basic story of good vs evil and to sell a bunch of toys. And maybe throw in a 'good deed'. Storylines, characters, and so on are about as thin as they come. Enough is done to satisfy the age group it's aimed at. The ones that usually seem to try and add more are those that are growing from the show to make it more relevant to their age.
Like what I said before. What I have said doesn't make what I have said right or wrong. It's an opinion. That's the point of it. It's my opinion on things. But should that really make me not a fan? Think about it.
Deker
09-23-2009, 11:51 PM
Man... I wish that guy had a fan community! :-D
Maybe you should take your own advice that you gave me in this thread. Or do you somehow become exempt from it because you gave it?
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 12:02 AM
Dude, you're being rude. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's how you're coming across. Yes, we're putting a ton of effort trying to piece together a consistent setting for a show aimed at eight-year-olds. But we're having fun doing so, and interrupting our fun to be all Debbie Downer isn't called for.
You wouldn't go to a football game and tell people that cheering for their team is ridiculous since it's not actually going to change the outcome of the match. You aren't going to a Star Trek convention and pulling the "It's just a mediocre television series! Why are you obsessing over it?" card.
Because that's rude.
Yes, you have your opinion, but there are times when just letting others be is the proper response. You don't always have to share your opinion if doing so is going to be dismissive of others.
Deker
09-24-2009, 12:16 AM
Dude, you're being rude. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's how you're coming across. Yes, we're putting a ton of effort trying to piece together a consistent setting for a show aimed at eight-year-olds. But we're having fun doing so, and interrupting our fun to be all Debbie Downer isn't called for.
You wouldn't go to a football game and tell people that cheering for their team is ridiculous since it's not actually going to change the outcome of the match. You aren't going to a Star Trek convention and pulling the "It's just a mediocre television series! Why are you obsessing over it?" card.
Because that's rude.
Yes, you have your opinion, but there are times when just letting others be is the proper response. You don't always have to share your opinion if doing so is going to be dismissive of others.
Rude? No. I stated an opinion. MY opinion on a few things that a few people tried running with and tried to make more of than what was there. Heck I still stated a brief Morphing Grid explanation and linked to another one. Problem is, there may be a general agreement on a few things, but that's about it before they all branch off. Which is confusing for people looking the stuff up. Go to 3 different websites and get 3 different answers to the same question. It doesn't help.
The show needs to confirm these things. Not just some people in the fandom. And not just at a basic degree. And if you are 11 yrs old looking this stuff up, Cmdr Crayfish's explanation for example would be so far over your head to the point you would likely go with the easiest explanation elsewhere even if it was the farthest thing from the show. But it's what made the most sense, on a basic level.
Here's the thing. Stating an opinion isn't always meant to be nice and let's all drink the same kool-aid type talk. Opinions come in all types. Argumentative. Passive. Laughable. Sad. Aggressive. Etc Etc. Opinions of all types help bring out more ideas. More thought. More focused beliefs.
Whatever the case. Until the show has a definitive (and not just referenced) point about the morphing grid (amongst other things), what makes it tick, etc... then it's all just assumptions. Which leaves a lot of open ends that others will fill in, and that too many people will try and claim that their's is the most logical ideal of it and that they are the most right.
Problem is, if the show really is ending, none of this will ever get answered and the fandom will have to create their own idea of it. But like I have already said, if someone wants to, more power to them. It's just not my cup of tea. Which I have already explained why.
You wouldn't go to a football game and tell people that cheering for their team is ridiculous since it's not actually going to change the outcome of the match.
Actually I have done that. But only to the people I know that are cheering for that team that are friends of mine. It may not change the outcome of the match, but then again, it can sure be fun when their team is losing.
You aren't going to a Star Trek convention and pulling the "It's just a mediocre television series! Why are you obsessing over it?"
Many aren't actually. They go to have fun. They dress up for fun. And some might remember a few episodes or people that they liked. But the vast majority won't start trying to fill in the plot holes and giving some long winded explanation on the differences between the Enterprises. There are a few hardcore nuts, yes. But they are the minority.
And some go just to try and pick up hot chicks. ;)
Quark
09-24-2009, 12:31 AM
Whatever the case. Until the show has a definitive (and not just referenced) point about the morphing grid (amongst other things), what makes it tick, etc... then it's all just assumptions.
So how many times does it need to brought up that RPM has gone out of it's way to explain the morphing grid?
But the vast majority won't start trying to fill in the plot holes and giving some long winded explanation on the differences between the Enterprises.
Now you're just being silly. But succeeding in rocking the boat, as your original post was meant to.
blackdinoranger5
09-24-2009, 12:36 AM
Hes not being rude i understand whats he's saying. If anything is rude around here its whats this board has become. Since when are we not allowed to have our own opinons on the show. I love PR have since the begining but i dont take things like the comics or magazines into thought or canon on anything because all it is is merchendising and good merchendising at that:) but it doesnt fit anywhere in the show.
Im all for makeing up the gaps we dont know thats the fun of comeing here and shareing our oponions. Thats why all of us fans come here no one is right or wrong there just our thoughts. Mugenhunt please keep makeing up things use your imagination thats exactly what were trying to do to. Since when did this place become a dictatorship were we can't share our own thoughts or opinons last time i checked this was america we live in, again im not saying stop telling your thoughts or opinons thats the fun of it. The thing that recks it is when theres 1 person who has to be right all the time that recks its for everyone not just you but me and many other people there thoughts were just shot down and not in the respectful way.
PR is just an AWSOME:) tv show we have to remeber that heck it doesnt even get this bad on rangerboard or any other sites i got to. RB you just get made fun of but in a funny way like everyones your friend here you have one idea you might as well be hanged.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 12:37 AM
This board is international. It is not American.
And you're being a little kid throwing a tantrum. Bentaboard is awesome. This place is full of friends and colleagues who collectively love PR.
Deker
09-24-2009, 12:39 AM
So how many times does it need to brought up that RPM has gone out of it's way to explain the morphing grid?
And yet people still keep trying to do their own thing with it. Own ideas, beliefs, and so on. Long story short, if it was really explained as cut and dry as some want to believe, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Let alone to this extent. It would be like, "Ok, here's the link (http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Morphing_Grid). That explains most if it.". But nope. It's either now wrong, missing stuff, or isn't enough.
Now you're just being silly. But succeeding in rocking the boat, as your original post was meant to.
You can't make a boat rock without the waves. And it's not the boat providing those waves. I stated something that began and ended with my opinion. Others decided to roll with it. The only ones rocking the boat, are the ones that take an opinion and try turning it into something more than it was or was meant to be.
Deker
09-24-2009, 12:41 AM
This board is international. It is not American.
And you're being a little kid throwing a tantrum. Bentaboard is awesome. This place is full of friends and colleagues who collectively love PR.
Most PR forums are international. In fact, I know of none that aren't. So I fail to see your point with that.
So what you are saying, is that if you don't drink the kool-aid...get out? Even if you don't subscribe to a singular way of thinking, that you must be wrong?
Just because someone 'loves' PR, doesn't mean they have to subscribe to the same way of thinking as others. I'm sorry, but this isn't a regime. And you sure as heck aren't the dictator.
Go to any forum. There are just as many fans that speak out, as their are that 'drink the kool-aid' and think people must never disagree with them or speak out against their beloved show or ideals about it. And heck, there are people that are no longer fans that still participate and not everyone agree's with them. Thank god they don't take the Cmdr Crayfish approach to things though. "Either discuss the show and contribute or leave." If that was the case, more than half of RB would be gone. Let alone members on other forums.
blackdinoranger5
09-24-2009, 12:42 AM
This board is international. It is not American.
And you're being a little kid throwing a tantrum. Bentaboard is awesome. This place is full of friends and colleagues who collectively love PR.
dont get me mixed up with you chris im not the one who has a hissy fit everytime someone has there own idea and may be right or wrong on the subject, and maybe you didnt hear me I LOVE PR!!!!!:rpmblack:
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 12:51 AM
I like how people come up with random crap for an explanation because the show never really defined how it worked or what exactly it was beyond a few vague references or talking points.
Here's such an example:
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Morphing_Grid
*faceslap* Not the most reliable source, that wiki is full of mistakes. :p
Deker
09-24-2009, 01:00 AM
*faceslap* Not the most reliable source, that wiki is full of mistakes. :p
lol Just an example.
Go to google and type in 'Morphing Grid'. That's the first result.
One of many. lol
But imagine being that 11 yr old kid that's new to the fandom or is just wondering about something like the morphing grid. Many times thats how sites like this are found. Through searching for other things like that. Then again, some won't join a forum to find something out like that and won't wade through 35 pages of discussions that go all over the place or are above their head in reasoning. But instead they just want a straight answer.
Right or wrong, odds are high, that's what they would likely either go with, or build off of. ;) Of course that was just an example. :P
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 01:02 AM
dont get me mixed up with you chris im not the one who has a hissy fit everytime someone has there own idea and may be right or wrong on the subject, and maybe you didnt hear me I LOVE PR!!!!!:rpmblack:
I'm not the one acting like a goddamned child and making ad hominem attacks against other people. I just tell people what the facts are. Imagination is all well and good, but my OPINION of something holds less weight than someone who knows what the facts are. I don't consult with you about your gallbladder problems, a doctor does. My opinion holds less weight than his. If you don't want to do the work, your opinion matters less than mine. Opinion has weight only on perception of truth (which is an abstract concept), not FACT. I am concerned with facts.
Deker
09-24-2009, 01:25 AM
I'm not the one acting like a goddamned child and making ad hominem attacks against other people. I just tell people what the facts are. Imagination is all well and good, but my OPINION of something holds less weight than someone who knows what the facts are. I don't consult with you about your gallbladder problems, a doctor does. My opinion holds less weight than his. If you don't want to do the work, your opinion matters less than mine. Opinion has weight only on perception of truth (which is an abstract concept), not FACT. I am concerned with facts.
No. What YOU make the facts out to be. I know you love nothing more than to have your ego stroked. That comes across in many of your posts. You are also condescending or showing an ego in others. Like somehow you are more intellectually superior to others. ESPECIALLY on the topic of Power Rangers. You already showed that in this thread before I even made my first post in it. You think it's ok for you to say and do things that cause you to talk down to other people. But if someone says or does the same thing to you, it's somehow worse. It's somehow more wrong. It's somehow 'anti-fan'.
Just because I or even some others don't subscribe to your way of thinking, doesn't mean we are wrong. Then again it also doesn't mean we are right.
Just because to you Power Rangers is your world, doesn't mean it is to others. And it doesn't make them any less fans.
http://www.rovang.org/wg/morphinggrid.htm
Lord Zedd: Silence, you fool! It is more than that! The Morphing Grid's balance is maintained by the constant struggle between Zordon and myself.
<<< Or do you choose to ignore that little fact and wish to just add your own?
blackdinoranger5
09-24-2009, 01:26 AM
what other people if anything im defending there freedom of speech. I want everyone to think there own thoughts in there own ways. Facts are facts its how we use them. People choose to use them how they wish history itself is being re-written all the and i dont mean in real life i mean in book new facts are being found or thought of. They re-write history books every year for a reason because we always learn something new or think of it in a new way. Same with PR here we re-watch episodes ad seasons and gain new thoughts or different perspectives on things. Its best you see people actrally thinking:)
TimefireX and I are best friends on here we watch so many different episodes together its not even funny the things we pull out the new ideas we gain or that suddenly click in our minds sometimes there the same sometimes his are better its really amazeing.
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 01:46 AM
http://www.rovang.org/wg/morphinggrid.htm
Lord Zedd: Silence, you fool! It is more than that! The Morphing Grid's balance is maintained by the constant struggle between Zordon and myself.
<<< Or do you choose to ignore that little fact and wish to just add your own?That was contradicted by subsequent references to the Grid after Zordon died and Zedd was turned good in Countdown to Destruction. It's now nothing but a throwaway line.
Deker
09-24-2009, 02:12 AM
That was contradicted by subsequent references to the Grid after Zordon died and Zedd was turned good in Countdown to Destruction. It's now nothing but a throwaway line.
Maybe. Maybe not. Then again, it WAS said. It IS a part of the story. But it was NEVER written out of the series. Just worked around. Another plot hole just patched over. If that's the case, there are A LOT of throw away lines in the series. And a lot of patching going on.
A throw away line. Much like a lot of other things said and done in the series just to try and make it coherent to older viewers. *sigh*
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 02:24 AM
Yeah, but if it really was maintained by the balance of power between Zedd and Zordon, the Grid should've failed in C2D. Then again, maybe it did, temporarily, as the Space rangers were forcibly demorphed (however, the Alien Rangers and Trey weren't).
DoctorKosmic
09-24-2009, 02:27 AM
That was contradicted by subsequent references to the Grid after Zordon died and Zedd was turned good in Countdown to Destruction. It's now nothing but a throwaway line.
It's not really throwaway. It's still an important part to the mythos, albeit one that was glossed over.
Just because Zordon died and Zedd was purified, doesn't mean that it loses all importance. For all we know, some other intergalactic beings are maintaining the balance between the grid in 2009. Tommy could be a possible candidate.
Or perhaps now, in 2009, since the downfall of both our "Big Zs", there's even an IMBALANCE in the Morphing Grid , or at least the beginnings of one. Perhaps said Grid Imbalance is what prevented former Rangers from preventing the Venjix Attack.
Yeah, but if it really was maintained by the balance of power between Zedd and Zordon, the Grid should've failed in C2D. Then again, maybe it did, temporarily, as the Space rangers were forcibly demorphed (however, the Alien Rangers and Trey weren't).
Is it then possible that each planet has it's own Morphing Grid? Perhaps all these planetary grids are tied together by the "Universal Morphing Grid"?
Perhaps only Earth's grid was maintained by Zedd and Zordon. They sure were interested in the Earth.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 02:29 AM
what other people if anything im defending there freedom of speech. I want everyone to think there own thoughts in there own ways.
Which means I have every right to tell you when you are mistaken. Freedom of speech means freedom to tell people they are wrong. I've never said you don't have a right to say things that are wrong. You have every right to be mistaken in your beliefs, as I have every right to humiliate you for it.
People choose to use them how they wish history itself is being re-written all the and i dont mean in real life i mean in book new facts are being found or thought of. They re-write history books every year for a reason because we always learn something new or think of it in a new way.
Facts don't change. Context changes. History books are rewritten to reflect context. Eg: a history book recounting the Battle of Little Big Horn will be wildly divergent from 1920 to 1960 to 2000. The facts will be identical (barring new research which might provide EXACT figures on fatalities by DNA matching individual bones found at the scene), but the context to reflect how society views both Custer's regiment and the Lakota.
The facts provided about the Morphing Grid in MMPR have not changed. The context into which those facts fit has drastically changed. Eg: "The Morphing Grid is balanced by the conflict between Zordon and myself" now means that two beings of equal power on opposite ends of the Grid spectrum balance the local Morphing Grid accordingly. As the Grid has outlived Zedd's evil and Zordon's life (and now exists outside of normal space/time itself), we must change the context of those facts. The fact of Newtonian physics has not changed, despite the fact of quantum physics on a subatomic level. Indeed, superfluids provide quantum responses in Newtonian space. We know both of these things are facts. What we lack are the contexts to explain how they can be reconciled. The Grand Unified Field Theory.
Theoretical work is predicated on finding a middle ground between divergent and oftentimes contradictory concepts. Sometimes physics in Power Rangers behaves as if there is an "up" and a "down" in space, and those times it does seem relatively consistent. One could argue that unlike our own spherical universe, the PRU is a semi-flat universe and thus there IS an up and a down. Similarly, the presence of both oxygen atmospheres in space which can sustain a body without asphyxiation or blood vessel damage (or even flash freezing), but repeated demonstrations of violent decompression. In this instance, it appears there is some form of atmosphere in space. However, it's not much better than the atmosphere on top of K2. Opening up a pressurized environment to this will cause it to explosively decompress. As we've never seen anything hover in space for TRULY prolonged periods, perhaps they would begin to freeze as if on top of Everest.
Facts don't change. Theories change. That's why they're theories. 1 + 1 = 2. It can be proven by scientific method, thus validating its reality. There is no wiggle room on this. However, the CONTEXT of math can drastically change. Descartes saw no real use for imaginary numbers as a philosopher or a mathematician (despite being a "fact"), even though modern banking is predicated on the ability to calculate debt and that expressly requires negative numbers. No theoretical applications existed in his mind that would render them useful, thus they were an irrelevancy or an abstraction. Once a context existed to render the fact applicable outside of abstractions, suddenly the theoretical applications for them adjusted.
Value is not predicated on impartial worth. Value is predicated on entirely subjective, theoretical applications of the facts. Facts are immutable. What we do with them are not. And indeed, sometimes those abstractions allow us to discover and then apply new facts. You are arguing the opposite of your point.
TimefireX and I are best friends on here we watch so many different episodes together its not even funny the things we pull out the new ideas we gain or that suddenly click in our minds sometimes there the same sometimes his are better its really amazeing.
Ideas are applications which are mutable. TimefireX once argued that the time scale between the Zordonic Era (10,000 years ago) and Sentinel Knight's era (the period of Pangea, millions of years ago) were the same thing and they were contemporaries. That's fine for a fanfic, because you aren't beholden to actually making sense internal to the series. He was incapable of understanding that just because he has an idea derivative from the series, if it does not fit the facts provided by the series, it is wrong.
Does not make it wrong for him to HAVE this idea, nor to create fiction predicated on it. It is wrong to discuss it in the same breath as those of us who are actually concerned with POWER RANGERS. You are not concerned with PR as it exists, you are concerned with making PR fit your own preconceptions. THIS is what I could not drill into Alpha 5's head.
Why do you think Mugen and I got into a relatively passionate debate on whether or not Titanus had a Power Coin? Introducing such an element is enormous for theoretical work (fanwanking), and he NEEDED to know before humoring me that I wasn't bending canon just to suit my possible desire to validate Titanus Speaks. The very notion I MIGHT be doing such a thing was concerning to us both, but in time I did sway him to the notion that the presence of a seventh Dino Coin (and his later adoption that there may even be an eighth or ninth) for the purposes of FANWANK. If, by some dark miracle, one day Disney does an authoritative site which flat out declares Ninjor made six Dino Coins and Zordon made the Tiger Coin, the case is closed. No harm comes from my wank being undone. I don't think the same can be said for you and Timefire.
Abstract REASONING is not being applied here. "Because A correlates to B, and C is a representation of A and D is a representation of B, it stands to reason C correlates to D as well." Instead, you're getting indignant because you are emotionally invested (irrationally so) in something deeply silly because YOU CREATED IT and throwing out the only real addendum to Godwin's Law: the person who has lost in an internet debate will be the first to declare this is America and they have freedom of speech.
Similarly, Chad will never understand that his hatred of PR fandom and people like Quark, Mugen, Bravo, Speedbreaker, and myself who simply enjoy the delicate art of making up stupid nonsense that fits a slapdash and convoluted timeline and seeing whether it fits with the other (canonical) stupid nonsense out there... That's why his message boards kept dying. His contempt for the fans as anything but a means to his own external validation. He's ANGRY that we're having fun. You are ANGRY that we are proving your theories wrong.
Son... I don't have any grudge against you. I just want you to use your goddamned head and make up better ones. I consider a lot of these guys friendly acquaintances, and we seem to collectively enjoy one another's company. I don't take much of this very seriously, and if one of them can say "you're wrong, Chris" and back it up with some big meaty facts I hadn't contemplated? I RELISH going back to the drawing board and trying again. It seems to me you and Chad are the ones who would do well to stop taking this crap so seriously.
Now leave us the hell alone and we'll have some fun.
DoctorKosmic
09-24-2009, 03:28 AM
So, back onto Grid discussion.
Since our Morphing Grid is the life force of the Earth, what happens when someone dies? Does their lifeforce then get absorbed into the grid, or does it simply dissipate?
If lifeforce IS absorbed back into the grid (Universal Grid, or Local Grid?) after death, then if that specific Lifeforce can be locked onto, with an object powerful enough relative to the individual's lifeforce/power/whatever, can they be ressurected from the Grid?
Is this how Kendrix was ressurected? I haven't seen the episode, but I've heard of it, and apparently Kendrix was ressurected when the Pink Quasar Saber was returned to the stone on Mirinoi. Since the Saber HAD been in posession of Kendrix, that could provide the means of locking on to her lifeforce, as well as the power to ressurect her from the Saber itself.
It's possible ancient civilisations had a religious view of the Grid, and possibly considered the grid dimension as an afterlife.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 03:41 AM
Well, here's the greater question: is lifeforce something the soul emanates ("leakage") and replenishes, or is lifeforce the soul itself? In which case, severing the connection between the soul and the body should render the lifeforce finite. You could destroy a soul if you locked into that specific energy signature and depleted it. That's TERRIFYING.
Thankfully, we seem to have proof that the PRU is lousy with afterlives, so it appears that the former is more accurate. Lifeforce leaks out when things live and goes into the Grid. The ability to use one's own lifeforce to tap onto the Grid dimension and EXTRACT energy is a difficult skill and most often requires a device capable of "overcoming" the normally one-way nature of how energy interacts with the Grid. Make something stop living and its (finite) soul goes some place else.
I mean, god... What does this say about the Jungle Beast Spirit World? A place where Grid avatar animals and the monsters and humans who worship them all cohabitate. That is not itself the Grid. What ARE avatar animals? Are there innate lifeforms to the Grid? Is it merely a representation of the morphogenic field internal to the Grid? Beings of pure lifeforce or nigh-godforms which somehow migrated into the Grid yet maintained a separate existence independent of it? The next step up the ladder from beings capable of morphing themselves like Ninjor, beings which morph themselves beyond the need for physical bodies unless invoked? Is the Grid itself cognizant of things? Is its sentience reflected in the avatars on each frequency, like Brahman?
SylvanGenesis
09-24-2009, 10:12 AM
In terms of the Grid itself being sentient/cognizant, I'd say it has to be, unless it's a thing that was made by someone rather than something that naturally occurs. K's explanation at the beginning of RPM seems to suggest the latter, although obviously there are things put in place to maintain/reinforce the specific taps as seen in OO. The Grid seems to specifically enable/allow its use to forces that abide by its rules, whether or not these forces are good or evil. Hence, as you noted earlier, Rita never attacks the Rangers in their sleep, and the Rangers seldom bust out the Zords unless the bad guys are huge. It's all very Tribunal-y (good or evil is irrelevant as long as something's working), and I wonder if they're related, since the Mystics are a Grid team probably thanks to Rita herself. I'm going to go ahead and ignore the implications of a sentient Grid that allows both good guys and bad guys to use it and move on.
Also, the nature of lifeforce is probably runoff generated by lifeforms living rather than the soul itself, because otherwise the Lifeforce Megazord would have been a deathtrap. I mean, it basically was a deathtrap already, but if it was continuously running on their combined souls rather than just extracting lifeforce at a slightly higher rate than normal, they would be in much more danger of being functionally annihilated.
And to the last...maybe the avatar animals are the venerated ancestors of the Morphing Masters? I mean, the Pai Zhuq Masters had animal forms, so for the Venerated Ancestors, maybe that's the form their souls took after their ascension into the Spirit World. It fits with the scale as well, if they're a step up from Ninjor. Just a guess though; I haven't given this much thought yet.
EDIT: Just as an aside, what exactly is in your avatar? It looks like the Rescue Zords in High Stance mode, but there's like a white zord version of...Impursenator, maybe...in the middle. I've got to ask, wtf?
Deker
09-24-2009, 10:29 AM
~snip~
Similarly, Chad will never understand that his hatred of PR fandom and people like Quark, Mugen, Bravo, Speedbreaker, and myself who simply enjoy the delicate art of making up stupid nonsense that fits a slapdash and convoluted timeline and seeing whether it fits with the other (canonical) stupid nonsense out there... That's why his message boards kept dying. His contempt for the fans as anything but a means to his own external validation. He's ANGRY that we're having fun. You are ANGRY that we are proving your theories wrong.
~snip~
It seems to me you and Chad are the ones who would do well to stop taking this crap so seriously.
Now leave us the hell alone and we'll have some fun.
There you are. Once again saying stuff that flat out isn't true. That are blatant lies and distortions of truth. Stuff you'll never back up.
My hatred? I know common sense to you is rather shallow, but hatred of the fandom? You keep forgetting that while I may not care for or understand some of what it does, it doesn't mean I hate it. That just because I don't bow down to you, means I am less of a fan. Your shallow and solitary attitude is what create the problems. That you either love it or leave it. Actually last I looked, I was a part of it. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or your ideals or even all of the fandoms ideals or beliefs, doesn't mean they hate it. But that's something that's obviously way above your head.
And last I looked, your message board IS dead. Sure you get one post a week or so. But last I looked, PRE on it's worst day was still more successful than your forums on their best day. So you may want to re-think that ideal of yours. It's obvious that very few fans of the show really even care about your forum/site. I know you have your bullcrap ideas on PRE, me, and everything else and how and why things happened the way they did. Because you are such an egomaniac that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Go ahead, keep convincing yourself. Drive that ego of yours.
Angry about proving theories wrong? Angry that you are having fun? You really are egotistical aren't you? You make it sound like it's all about you. That you are right no matter what and everyone else is wrong. Your constantly condescending posts to people you think are obviously ok. When someone else does the same thing to you, OMG watch out. I know you want to think you are the wikipedia of the fandom, but you aren't. Maybe that's why your sites never do well beyond a handful of people. Because obviously no one else is having fun enough on your forum to stay, and neither are you. That's obvious because not even you are active on it. It's just a waste of web space.
PRE didn't die because of your shallow and naive reasoning. Because if that was the case, it would never have had over 10,000 people in less than 2 years, being 2nd only to Rangerboard in size and activity. NO OTHER FORUM has even come close to that since. And wouldn't have had over 2,000 people in less than a year after re-launch. That's way more than you can say about your forum and what it's ever accomplished. I grew up and apart from PR. But that doesn't mean I or anyone else that have, isn't a fan. Just because we don't take a kids show as seriously as you. And until you get that through your thick skull, you will never understand such a basic thing. So quit with your love it and leave it mentality. You aren't doing the fandom any favors with it. Especially on a show that's now dead and people will be moving away from anyways. You want to keep as many people as possible. Not push them away. Common sense should dictate that. It doesn't matter if they agree with you or not. And considering I likely still get more requests to bring PRE back, than you get for your site to be more active, proves that you couldn't be more wrong.
And it seems to me, only you and a handful of others are the ones taking it seriously enough to get your panties in a bunch when someone disagrees with you and brings up other arguments against the case. Because I know your ego would love nothing more than to be the one that could say your idea is what they used on the show or in the story. No matter how irrelevant it is.
I know you want to think you are some savior of the fandom. Some sort of self righteous hero. Some sort of PR god that knows every little detail the show has ever spewed out, and should be worshiped. But you are not. If you think my attitude sucks...you may want to re-consider. Someone obviously hasn't looked in the mirror. Just because you think you know 2 more things than someone else, doesn't automatically make you better OR smarter. Especially in regards to a show many people think died long ago. Being a fan means hating the show as much as they may love it. It doesn't mean having to drink the Kool-Aid and being a lemming.
SylvanGenesis
09-24-2009, 10:37 AM
And last I looked, your message board IS dead. Sure you get one post a week or so. But last I looked, PRE on it's worst day was still more successful than your forums on their best day. So you may want to re-think that ideal of yours. It's obvious that very few fans of the show really even care about your forum/site.Honestly, there might be another reason for this, btw. I tried to register there and for some reason, couldn't. I kept getting an odd error message, and then eventually I gave up since the discussions that I'd be following (for example, SPD = George Orwell's Nightmare) were going on here and for a short period of time, at Rangerboard. Just saying, the inability to take on new members might be a potential reason why Funaroboard isn't hopping like a huge party 24/7.
But I don't want to get involved in the firefight, so I just thought I'd throw that out then back off.
Deker
09-24-2009, 10:52 AM
Honestly, there might be another reason for this, btw. I tried to register there and for some reason, couldn't. I kept getting an odd error message, and then eventually I gave up since the discussions that I'd be following (for example, SPD = George Orwell's Nightmare) were going on here and for a short period of time, at Rangerboard. Just saying, the inability to take on new members might be a potential reason why Funaroboard isn't hopping like a huge party 24/7.
But I don't want to get involved in the firefight, so I just thought I'd throw that out then back off.
Hope you put on your fire ******ant before you made your post. :P
I highly doubt that's the reason. His site has never done well beyond a handful of people. It never will, especially now with PR dead and people likely to start moving on afterwards. Rangercrew on it's worst day is more active than his site was on it's best day. His forum has been around for awhile and attracts little to no attention. I also did a test register to the point of being approved and had no problems. So I'm not sure what's wrong.
Either way, it's a dead and a pretty useless forum at this point. Has been for awhile. I doubt you'll see some kind of revival.
Quark
09-24-2009, 11:57 AM
Still at this, Mesogog? Is this some kind of therapy for coming off of having your own board? Find the top contributers somewhere else and b i t c h at length because you have opinions and gobbledy goo?
Psychosilver
09-24-2009, 12:02 PM
How'd you guys get so off topic?
mmpr grove
09-24-2009, 12:12 PM
^^^^
Mesogog survived Dino Thunder somehow. He came to our reality, to try and ruin the discussions of the fandom. This is how the thread got so off topic!
Deker
09-24-2009, 01:38 PM
Still at this, Mesogog? Is this some kind of therapy for coming off of having your own board? Find the top contributers somewhere else and b i t c h at length because you have opinions and gobbledy goo?
Top contributors? Does that mean people should bow down and kiss your butt? Top contributors how? If it's by post count, plenty of others beat you guys. If it's by activity, again plenty of others beat you guys. And if it's by what you have done in the fandom over the years, I wouldn't exactly put it on my resume. Again, plenty of others are top contributors before you even get in the top 20.
Contributors...yes. Top ones...far from it beyond your own personal....opinion.
If you can't handle someones opinion, that is your own problem. If you take offense to an opinion, again, that's your own problem. It does NOT affect the fandom. Fact is, what my original post said could have just as easily ended with that post. For the most part it WAS on topic. Problem is, a few people took 'offense' to whatever was said, then took the ball and ran with it. You are just as much at fault about the topic going on, as you blame me to be.
Just because someone thinks they are the lexicon of a kids show that's dying, doesn't make them the top contributor. The problem is, I think a few think they should have their butts kissed. It's an ego boost to them. And any opinions that don't jive with theirs, are instantly wrong and selfish. But once PR ends...their relevance will start to disappear with it.
Cmdr Crayfish for example hates how I 'talk' about the fandom or even topics like this. Yet here he is, in other posts and threads to numerous other people, talking down to them. Making them either look, feel, or act inferior to his 'wealth' of PR knowledge. Coming across as condescending. As though he is 'owed' something or should never be rebutted or questioned about anything with the show. Call me what you like. But his condescending behavior is no better.
Some people try to hold onto whatever stature they have in a fandom because outside of it, they don't get that same level of support or acknowledgment. It's ego driven more than anything. In that fandom they feel important. Whereas outside of it, they don't feel or have that same level of stature.
People like me don't kill fandoms. Fandoms kill fandoms.
^^^^
Mesogog survived Dino Thunder somehow. He came to our reality, to try and ruin the discussions of the fandom. This is how the thread got so off topic!
HAHA. The only one that ruined it, is the one that took the ball and ran with it. When they were just as capable of not doing it. But OMG, someone had to take offense to it or even possibly take it personally. *cries a river*
The problem is, if the fandom really took offense to what I said, more people would be involved. The thing is, people are smarter than that. Most people are smart enough and know the difference between someones opinion and an actual attack on the fandom or even themselves. Some agree with what I have said. Some are in the middle. Some don't agree. And some don't care.
But if someone is taking someones personal opinion on a topic such as the Morphing Grid or even the fandom and taking it as a personal offense or an offense against the fandom, those people IMO really need to start separating reality from fantasy and get a life and get a clue. It's a flippin' kids show. A show many of us grew up with, but realistically have grown above and beyond and are only a part of because it has sentimental value. Discuss, talk, whatever about it. But people are entitled to their opinions. Like it or not. And what someone says in response to an opinion doesn't make what they have said any more right either.
Psychosilver
09-24-2009, 01:56 PM
I truly don't care, but I was wondering what happened to talking about Morphing Grid. I was just curious.
Quark
09-24-2009, 01:59 PM
I truly don't care, but I was wondering what happened to talking about Morphing Grid.
Once Mesogog steps off the soap box, it'll most likely resume.
Deker
09-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Once Mesogog steps off the soap box, it'll most likely resume.
Once people (mainly only Quark and Cmdr Crayfish) stop taking offense to and negatively responding to every little thing I say or do, it will most likely resume.
Quark
09-24-2009, 02:02 PM
Taking offense? I'm just annoyed. But by all means, keep going. Eventually you'll tucker yourself out and actual discussion can reconvene.
Psychosilver
09-24-2009, 02:07 PM
So, how 'bout that Morphin' Grid???
Crimson Soul
09-24-2009, 02:56 PM
^^^^
Mesogog survived Dino Thunder somehow. He came to our reality, to try and ruin the discussions of the fandom. This is how the thread got so off topic!
Please don't insult someone just to follow the bandwagon. Last I checked, Mesagog did nothing wrong to you.
But last I looked, PRE on it's worst day was still more successful than your forums on their best day. So you may want to re-think that ideal of yours.
PRE didn't die because of your shallow and naive reasoning. Because if that was the case, it would never have had over 10,000 people in less than 2 years, being 2nd only to Rangerboard in size and activity. NO OTHER FORUM has even come close to that since. And wouldn't have had over 2,000 people in less than a year after re-launch. That's way more than you can say about your forum and what it's ever accomplished.
And considering I likely still get more requests to bring PRE back, than you get for your site to be more active, proves that you couldn't be more wrong.
We get it. PRE was popular. We don't need to hear how outstanding it was. If your looking for some sort of achievement award, go find it elsewhere.
I hate to be "that guy," but all of you need to get back on topic. It doesn't matter who started it, nor does it matter who insulted who. Let's just end it now before it gets out of hand.
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 03:10 PM
So, how 'bout that Morphin' Grid???Quoted because an answer would put us back on topic.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 03:36 PM
I am not going to be told to stop it when he was the one trolling us, Crimson. Either punish him like the troll he is (he contributes nothing to this board, and indeed, his lack of knowledge DIMINISHES viable discourse), or leave. He does NOTHING BUT MOCK US. I'VE been threatened for less offenses than this. I am the most prolific contributor to SPRC's PR discussion content per volume. If contributions afford us latitude, then I should get off better than Chad. I don't, because that isn't fair and balanced.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Hence, as you noted earlier, Rita never attacks the Rangers in their sleep, and the Rangers seldom bust out the Zords unless the bad guys are huge.
The escalation code has nothing to do with the Morphing Grid. Rita herself cannot wield it. As mentioned elsewhere, it makes far more sense to accept the escalation code was adopted by most alien races like the Geneva Accords to prevent them from committing war crimes. Otherwise, why haven't the Masked Riders or Intergalactic Police Force stopped the UAE? If Dark Specter had EVER pulled a stunt comparable to Countdown at any point prior to 1998, no one would ever allow him to exist in peace. The armies of good across the universe would bring everything down upon him. Hell, the Alliance would fracture precisely because they would (accurately) feel he regarded them as nothing more than cannon fodder.
Wellllllll... Rita could regulate its use through magical totems, talismans, and invoking godforms to access the Grid to create Rangers as the Mystic Source, but she herself, as an Evil Space Alien, was not a Grid user. Even when she used tools which themselves used the Grid she would use intermediaries and magical proxies in lieu of Zordon's tools.
Also, the nature of lifeforce is probably runoff generated by lifeforms living rather than the soul itself, because otherwise the Lifeforce Megazord would have been a deathtrap. I mean, it basically was a deathtrap already, but if it was continuously running on their combined souls rather than just extracting lifeforce at a slightly higher rate than normal, they would be in much more danger of being functionally annihilated.
I'm accepting this definition, but not for the reasons you think - Batlings could power the Lifeforce Megazord. Since I think grunts have relatively low levels of sustainable spiritual energy in their bodies (I believe due in part to the fact they don't EAT or SLEEP or BREED), but they do possess some. They have immortal souls and as seen with the Kelzak used in Motodrone's resurrection, can be used in lieu of a human host to provide a "seed" of lifeforce.
And to the last...maybe the avatar animals are the venerated ancestors of the Morphing Masters? I mean, the Pai Zhuq Masters had animal forms, so for the Venerated Ancestors, maybe that's the form their souls took after their ascension into the Spirit World. It fits with the scale as well, if they're a step up from Ninjor. Just a guess though; I haven't given this much thought yet.
I have issues with that because it means the Venerated Ancestors, beings REVERED AS GODS by entities who created a POCKET UNIVERSE, are really no more powerful than the Nathadians from MMPR:TM. I just feel like believing they even inhabit the PRU themselves anymore is a step down... But because of the timeline we're talking about, I think the VAs are cooler to allude to and never, ever explore. To say nothing of the fact that if every Grid Avatar is a VA... I think it diminishes most seasons significantly.
EDIT: Just as an aside, what exactly is in your avatar? It looks like the Rescue Zords in High Stance mode, but there's like a white zord version of...Impursenator, maybe...in the middle. I've got to ask, wtf?
It's White Racer's mech. Kittyzord!
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 04:27 PM
EDIT: Just as an aside, what exactly is in your avatar? It looks like the Rescue Zords in High Stance mode, but there's like a white zord version of...Impursenator, maybe...in the middle. I've got to ask, wtf?Her's a pic of RadiaCar Robo from Carranger. I think it's obvious why this "Kittyzord" wasn't used in PR Turbo. It was actually human sized, Crayfish's avatar must have it edited in Lightning Fire Tamer Rescue Zord's place. Clever that, Chris.
http://www.supersentai.com/database/1996_carranger/images/car-rb-radiacarrobo.jpg
Crimson Soul
09-24-2009, 04:31 PM
I am not going to be told to stop it when he was the one trolling us, Crimson. Either punish him like the troll he is (he contributes nothing to this board, and indeed, his lack of knowledge DIMINISHES viable discourse), or leave. He does NOTHING BUT MOCK US. I'VE been threatened for less offenses than this. I am the most prolific contributor to SPRC's PR discussion content per volume. If contributions afford us latitude, then I should get off better than Chad. I don't, because that isn't fair and balanced.
It doesn't matter who started it, nor does it matter who insulted who. Let's just end it now before it gets out of hand.
*sigh*
So, how bout that Morphin Grid?
Quark
09-24-2009, 04:36 PM
http://www.supersentai.com/database/1996_carranger/images/car-rb-radiacarrobo.jpg
It's scary to think that Power Ranger's wackiest season is like, 1/50th the wacky of it's source footage.
mmpr grove
09-24-2009, 04:54 PM
Please don't insult someone just to follow the bandwagon. Last I checked, Mesagog did nothing wrong to you.
I was not fallowing anyone! I was and still am staying neutral. If you read my statement I never said anything about the stupid argument both sides were in.
Someone asked why the thread was off topic and I gave a quick and smart *** answer. I never actually insulted anyone.
Anyways, the morphing grid. A mix of spiritual energy and bio-electrically energy all beings with or without souls give off. A force, either magnetism or gravity (perhaps neither or combination of both) coses these energies to combined and become an incredibly strong energy field. An energy field witch links all living beings together as one. This field goes beyond plants full of life. Its uncertain how, but the field seems to be connected to planets through there magma cores. As well as to the energy of stars and blackholes. Allowing it to stretch absolutely everywhere. Through Natural ability and/or skill its possible to tap into the field. Doing so allows one great powers and strength. For those that lack the ability to use the field naturally, special power grids are build. These grids channel the field energy and send it to special key tools. These key tools allow one to use the field much the same way as others do through skills/naturally. In time those who could use the grid naturally mostly died out. Same for those who used it through skill. Making the key tools and power grids become the prime way of using the field. Eventually the energy field began being used to transform people into super soldiers. This became the main usage of the field. This cosed the fields original name to be forgotten. Gaining it the name morphing grid.
Digifiend
09-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Someone asked why the thread was off topic and I gave a quick and smart *** answer. I never actually insulted anyone.Ocean this is Digi, you're live on SPRC please do not swear! lolOn Big Brother UK, they say "Big Brother house this is Davina, you're live on Channel 4 please do not swear"
As for your grid explanation, getting back on topic, good theory. :)
mmpr grove
09-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Not real a theory. More like a basic simple-ized(?) variation of the explanation posted on RB as if Andrew Heartford wrote it.
Also how I would explain it to someone very young in age.
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 05:13 PM
"The morphing grid is an energy field that surrounds the universe, powered by all life. Rangers use the energy of the grid to morph. Each Ranger has a special place in the grid depending on their color and team."
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 05:17 PM
What about when a mommy and daddy love each other VERY MUCH?!
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 05:23 PM
What about when a mommy and daddy love each other VERY MUCH?!
They create an EVIL SPACE ALIEN?
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 05:23 PM
You totally missed the "they make their monster grow" joke.
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 05:39 PM
Ewww.
Ranger Roll Call!
Mighty Morphin' S1-2 - Accessed Grid through Power Coins. Dino Frequency.
Mighty Morphin' S3 - Accessed Grid through Power Coins. Ninja Frequency.
Alien Rangers - Accessed Grid through Power Coins. Same frequency as MMPRs? Were they ever both morphed at same time?
Zeo - Used power of Zeo Crystal to access Grid via Zeonizers? (Yes, I'm trying to make Jackie's Word of God fit.) Shape Frequency.
Turbo - Accessed Grid through Keys via Eltar. Car Frequency.
Robot Rangers - ditto. (Hmmm. This implies that you can have two of the same Ranger operating as long as they're not in the same location.)
Space - Accessed Grid via Mega Accelerator in Astro Megaship. Space Frequency.
Lost Galaxy - Accessed Grid through Transmorphers via Quasar Sabers. Charlie Brown Frequency.
Lightspeed Rescue - Accessed Grid through theoretical generator at Aquabase. Peppermint Frequency.
Time Force - Accessed Grid through advanced future technology that goes ping. Time Frequency.
Wild Force - Accessed Grid through Growl Phone connections to the Animarium. Wild Frequency.
Ninja Storm - Accessed Grid through Power Discs. Another Ninja Frequency.
Dino Thunder - Accessed Grid through Dino Gems. Another Dino Frequency.
SPD - Accessed Grid through Delta Morpher. SPD Frequency.
Mystic Force - Accessed Grid through the spell Mysto Galwit Ranger. Magical Frequency.
Operation Overdrive - Accessed Grid through Trackers. Vehicle Frequency. Sentinel Knight likes vehicles. 'Cause he's a robot. ;)
Jungle Fury - Accessed Grid through Sunglasses via Animal Spirits. Animal Frequency.
RPM - Access Grid through Morphers.
Now, most teams have their morpher, which gets power from something else, which then makes the final connection to the grid. The Power Coins have their totem spirits, as did the Solar Morphers. The Growl Phones and Turbo Keys got their powers from planets.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 05:49 PM
How do we deal with the fact the Grid doesn't allow for duplication of identical frequencies in the same location with a time travel team? The "Time Frequency" is temporally shifted enough that this isn't a problem, thus making it ideally suited for Time Force's applications? Eg: an army of one could literally fight a war so long as one of them from temporally earlier doesn't get killed and cause a paradox?
(I LOVE the notion the Zeo Crystal's nigh-inexhaustible power was being used to overcome the hurdle of establishing a Grid connection and then maintaining it, which would go a long, long, long way to explain how the thing got nearly depleted in the space of a single season. Running the team, running their Zords, running the Power Chamber... If it was exhausting 200% power to get a 100% Grid tap in return, DAMN)
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 06:58 PM
That's an easy one. Their morphers, designed with that in mind, can access the grid from another "when" remotely should they encounter another signal using it. Stealing access from an unused time zone. That's probably not the most stable means of grid connection, hence why it's not used as a primary tactic.
So if the me of the present and future me both morph at once, future me instead gets grid access from the nearest temporal point without conflict.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 07:00 PM
You could also argue that the Chronomorpher has a phase-shifter which allows it to MODULATE to an unused Grid frequency in the here and now, rather than temporally shift.
Mugenhunt
09-24-2009, 07:10 PM
That's doable. Let's split the difference and assume it's some combination of both. If you're in a position where you need to be in the same time as your past self, you're going to need a way to have full power. The idea of morphers that allow you to access other frequencies than your native one amuses me. "Time for.. Emergency!" "Time for... Turbo!" "Time for... Ranger Form, Ha!" "Wild for Wild Force!"
Having that be the pinnacle of technology we see on the series works. TF should be the most technically advanced we get in PR, and morphers that can switch power sources in case of emergency fits the bill.
Cmdr Crayfish
09-24-2009, 07:55 PM
You want to think of something screwed up?
This is why the Quantum Controller/Morpher exploded the warehouse when it first activated. It hadn't cycled to a frequency other than the Red Chronomorpher's at the moment the morph initialized due to millennia of disuse.
BattleForceRed
09-25-2009, 12:56 PM
ok so was the Quantum Controller the first official morpher on the planet before Zordon arrived on Earth..but if not Zordon must've at least detected it from The Command Center, and the Q-Rex....I wonder if Zordon could've adopted the technology from the Q-Rex to his Dino Zords.
Crayfish just a question, I'm curious r u implying that the warehouse blew up when Eric activated the Quantum Morpher due the to energy feedback...so if they activated any of the old morphers would they also carry extra feedback because they've been dormant for a long while?
Cmdr Crayfish
09-25-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm saying the warehouse could have blown up because the Quantum Morpher had been dormant for so long it didn't immediately phase-shift to a different frequency than the Red Chronomorpher was using by default. The release of energy was enough to tear the place apart, but the delayed phase-shift was still fast enough Eric was shielded. After all, he was using the prototype for Wes' morpher.
RobotRanger1
02-14-2012, 06:47 PM
Say, how could the Samurai Rangers be connected to the Morphing Grid if they use "symbol powers"?
And if Venjix were to be a god controlling of the Morphing Grid following the events of "Danger and Destiny," what would be the effects of it?
Cmdr Crayfish
02-14-2012, 07:23 PM
No necroposting.
RobotRanger1
02-14-2012, 08:19 PM
No necroposting.
...I'm sorry what? Am I not suppose to ask questions related to this topic? I mean, the question relating to the Samurai powers really confuses me.
Mr. Green
02-14-2012, 09:04 PM
No necroposting.
That being said, thread closed.