Power Rangers Zeo Discussion

[Fury Diamond]

Power Rangers Zeo

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(April 20, 1996 - November 27, 1996, 50 Episodes)

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Cast:
Tommy / Red Ranger - Jason David Frank
Adam / Green Ranger - Johnny Yong Bosch
Rocky / Blue Ranger - Steve Cardenas
Tanya / Yellow Ranger - Nakia Burrise
Katherine / Pink Ranger - Catherine Sutherland
Jason / Gold Ranger - Austin St. John

Questions:
What was your original reaction to the MMAR Final Scene and the introduction to Power
Which set of powers did you like better? Mighty Morphin' or Zeo?
How did you feel about the newest villains, The Machine Empire?
What did you think of the Gold Ranger's initial appearance in "Power of Gold"? Did you like the way they presented his storyline?
What did everybody think about the death of King Mondo and introduction of Louie Kaboom?
How did you feel about Goldar and Rito being servants to Bulk & Skull?
How did you feel about Billy's role in Power Rangers Zeo? How did you feel about his exit?
What did you think of Tommy's brother and that entire 'arrowhead storyline'?
What are your most favorite Zeo episodes?
How did you feel about some of the late villains such as Louie Kaboom, Prince Gasket, and Archerina?
Any closing comments on Power Rangers Zeo?
What did you think of the return of Rita and Zedd and their plan to beat the Machine Empire?

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[Fury Diamond]

What was your original reaction to the MMAR Final Scene and the introduction to Power Rangers Zeo?

[ForeverBlue]

In the final scene of MMAR, it was a shocking to see the command center blow up.

As for the start of Zeo, it was a great start! :D

[Fury Diamond]

The MMAR Finale was beautifully done and my favorite ending in Power Rangers history. It had the right elements (plot, drama, music/sound composition) to conclude the season and get the viewers wanting more.

[mnikolic]

My reaction to the final MMPR/AR scene was nothing but pure shock. I was shocked to see the Rangers powerless, without Zordon, Alpha 5 and their Command Center!

However, I was really glad when I saw the first episode of Zeo. I like how they kept the original Command's center design, but changed the interrior. I even liked the new name for the Command Center - the Power Chamber. I still like it. :D

[tkdnmb]

the finally of MMAR was intense. as a kid to see the command center in ruins was a very ominous occasion. the only other scene that had hit me like that was when the thunder zords were destroyed and kim was screaming.

but then when they discover the entrance to the power chamber i felt so relieved. it did suck that i had to wait so long for the new series to start but it was worth it. also the zeo serial was building up all that supense....


ZEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOO! Its coming!!!

[Mugenhunt]

You gotta see it!
It's coming!
You gotta see it!

You gotta see it!
It's coming!
You gotta see it!
Unleashing the power!

Go Zeo!

It's coming!

And it came. I enjoyed the Zeo Serial as it came out. And then was witness to perhaps the worst episode of Power Rangers ever. A Zeo Beginning part 1.

Previously, the command center blew up. And what do the Rangers do? They mope about the ruins. Then stumble on the Zeo Crystal which wasn't stolen or taken by the badguys after all, and then fall into a hole, where the big suspense is whether they should LISTEN TO ALPHA OR NOT.

Meanwhile, we get lots of talk about how evil the Machine Empire is (which will continue in part two) at the expense of the current villains. A classic case of tell not show. Instead of giving us reasons to go "Wow, they're more powerful than Rita or Zedd" like say, blowing up the Moon Palace to force them to leave, Rita and Zedd just vamoose when they show up and talk about how scary they are.

I get that they wanted to sell the new villains as dangerous, which given their costume designs and how poor the film quality of their scenes are compared to the original footage that we'd been used to from villain scenes was necessary, but it came off as lame. Instead of making the Machine Empire look good, it just made Rita, Zedd and Master Vile look bad. Which isn't the same thing.

The "Oh no, did Zordon die?!" cliffhanger was also terrible.

Now, I have to love Hogday Afternoon Part 2 and Zeo Beginning for being perhaps the worst first day for a Ranger ever. Tanya just went from being a kid in Africa to being a teenager in California and then got the command center blown up under her, and then got drafted to fight as a Power Ranger.

Zeo Beginning Part 2 then just ignores the false cliffhanger, and we get the new Power Chamber, which did look cool, and the tubes of old costumes. Which definitely made me smile. Then they fought some cogs. Their first outing as Zeo Rangers was against a few cogs. And hey, Rocky and Tommy had time to change into their new civilian colors after the fight! One wonders what Tommy's parents must have felt, given that they'd seen their son go from wearing Green all the time (So THAT'S why Rita recruited him!) to wearing White then he scraps his old wardrobe to wear Red.

A Zeo Beginning is a really poor season opener, which given all the hype was disappointing.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It reminds me a bit of "the long day," an essay on Ameritoku finales and premieres I always threatened Derik that I'd get around to writing eventually. The total disregard these writers displayed for maintaining a consistent timeline for continuous finales/premieres. You think Hogday Afternoon/Zeo Beginning is bad? Borgslayer/Metallix Rising is worse. Even if you pencil in the episode beginning at 7 AM, you gotta crunch HARD to fit everything in one day. Especially the freakin' jailbreak.

[PowerOnyx]

The only bad Zeo episode was "Another Song and Dance". It would have been better had Jason or Nakia been able to sing.

Zeo, the true ending end to the MMPR saga and the end to the final original MMPR Ranger.

[Mugenhunt]

I think "Another Song and Dance" is great BECAUSE Jason David Frank can't sing. It's hilarious!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

God, imagine (given her performance of Angel in S3) it was KAT and Tommy singing.

[PowerOnyx]

It did have one BA remixed MMPR theme.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffYbfsCBgsA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOrzigICfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6O_5sjCb-8

[Thrax]

Power Rangers Zeo are awesome

The Opening is awesome
Zedd and Rita celebrate the end of Power rangers but they are put away when Machine Empire appear
the new powers are awesome
Tommy,Adam and Rocky became rangers with new colors
Tania she is the new yellow ranger
The zords are awesome
Gold rangers cool is the best of the team

[Digifiend]

Shame that foreign intro doesn't use the correct typeface.

The MMPR/Zeo changeover was a big excitement for me, because it coincided with the UK launch of Fox Kids Network. I'd been watching a pre-launch trailer for weeks beforehand!

[Cmdr Crayfish]

What network did PR show on prior to that point?

[Digifiend]

Sky One. :mmred:

[Mutitis]

I've never had a problem with A Zeo Beginning. I have a storybook adaptation of it that I bought off of Amazon lying around somewhere.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

That was cable/satellite, correct? Not terrestrial television that you only need a basic permit for?

[Hears All]

Zeo had the best intro music and cast, IMO. The zords were kind of lame though

[Churly]

My reaction to A Zeo Beginning:

"GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! All of those so called "Sneak peaks" I dealt with over the summer are null & void. I'm so happy that stupid professor and his assistant aren't here. They would have made Zeo suck. Long live Zordon & Alpha 5!"

[ForeverBlue]

The Zeo opening was really good and the theme song was great as well :D

[Digifiend]

That was cable/satellite, correct? Not terrestrial television that you only need a basic permit for?So was Fox Kids. They were part of the same package, Sky Multi-Channels. One of the terrestrial channels, ITV, also aired PR, but I didn't resort to that until we stopped our Sky subscription in 2001. ITV is always about six months behind, and hasn't started RPM yet.

[adamisme]

i liked the beginning of Zeo, the fact that it picked up moments after season 3 had ended was good, not sort of like you do with some series where its cliffhanger and then doesn't follow through in the next season. Did think Rita and Zedd kind of wimped out with the Machine Empire, the fact they had just destroyed the Command Centre and essentially got rid of Zordon, Alpha and the Rangers and they couldn't destroy the Machine Empire and had to run away, but then reappear later on and not really do a lot, except blow up the machine empire at the very end

[Thrax]

The villans in PRZ are awesome

The Machine empire is awesome begins with King Mondo and the others and i liked when King mondo fight the rangers when the battle aganst SUPER ZEO MEGAZORD, and Rita and Zedd created Loiue Kaboo who wants to rule the Machine empire and he is destroy for the rangers too and them appear Gasket and Archerina who want rule the machine empire to all villans want take King Mondo place

[PowerOnyx]

The zords were kind of lame though

Zeo Zord V fire spin attack

Zeo Zord IV electricity from its horns

Zeo Zord III head mounted cannon

Zeo Zord II twin rockets on the top, and side mounted cannons.

Zeo Zord I side mounted missile launchers, top mounted cannon.

Zeo Megazord warrior mode with the Zeo V battle helmet, wears the helmet of the other four Zeo Zords

Red Battlezord rapid firing wrist mounted blasters, and punching action. The power rocket spin, and star visor blast.

Zeo Mega Battlezord combines with the Zeo Megazord to form the Zeo Mega Battlezord as well as combines with the Zeo Zords and Pyramidas to form the Zeo Ultrazord.

Pyramidas capable of interstellar flight, fires golden lightning bolts. Combines with the Zeo Zords and Red Battlezord to form the Zeo Ultrazord

Zeo Ultrazord carrier mode merges with the other zords either by transforming into a rolling carrier with the Zords on top.

Zeo Ultrazord warrior mode merges with the Zeo Zords by transforming into warrior mode, which places the Zeo Zords inside chambers within Pyramidas, and Red Battlezord on top to form the shoulder cannons.

Super Zeo Zords capable of flight and energy projection from their chests, and are each equipped with a laser pistol and a Power Weapon.

Super Zeo Megazord combinatin of Super Zeo Zords into Super Zeo Megazord, armed with twin swords.

Warrior Wheel rolls into battle as a wheel and transforms into a robot in warrior mode. Super Zeo Megazord rolls Warrior Wheel in wheel mode at a monster, destroying it with a blast of energy.
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What's lame?

[detroitpiston]

As soon as the "OMG they've got a new ~insert new thing/person here~" shock & excitement wore off, I realized Zeo was gonna be just as bland and uninteresting as I found MMPR3 to be and finally stopped watching Power Rangers. After seeing all of Zeo last year, I don't regret tuning out during it's original airing.

[Thrax]

Zeo Zord V fire spin attack

Zeo Zord IV electricity from its horns

Zeo Zord III head mounted cannon

Zeo Zord II twin rockets on the top, and side mounted cannons.

Zeo Zord I side mounted missile launchers, top mounted cannon.

Zeo Megazord warrior mode with the Zeo V battle helmet, wears the helmet of the other four Zeo Zords

Red Battlezord rapid firing wrist mounted blasters, and punching action. The power rocket spin, and star visor blast.

Zeo Mega Battlezord combines with the Zeo Megazord to form the Zeo Mega Battlezord as well as combines with the Zeo Zords and Pyramidas to form the Zeo Ultrazord.

Pyramidas capable of interstellar flight, fires golden lightning bolts. Combines with the Zeo Zords and Red Battlezord to form the Zeo Ultrazord

Zeo Ultrazord carrier mode merges with the other zords either by transforming into a rolling carrier with the Zords on top.

Zeo Ultrazord warrior mode merges with the Zeo Zords by transforming into warrior mode, which places the Zeo Zords inside chambers within Pyramidas, and Red Battlezord on top to form the shoulder cannons.

Super Zeo Zords capable of flight and energy projection from their chests, and are each equipped with a laser pistol and a Power Weapon.

Super Zeo Megazord combinatin of Super Zeo Zords into Super Zeo Megazord, armed with twin swords.

Warrior Wheel rolls into battle as a wheel and transforms into a robot in warrior mode. Super Zeo Megazord rolls Warrior Wheel in wheel mode at a monster, destroying it with a blast of energy.
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What's lame?



All fleet of the Zords of the Zeo rangers are awesome

[Churly]

Yeah, they were leagues better than the "Superior" Thunder Zords.

The dreaded Rock Throw power!

[The 2nd Evil]

Zeo actually revitalized my interest in the show.

In season 3, I was tired of Rita and Zedd, I was getting tired the look.

Zeo was just so refreshing.

[Khandri]

Ah, Zeo...still my favorite season after all these years. The build-up to it was intense and the conclusion of the Zeo Quest prior to that really left me anticipating what was to come next with brand new powers, brand new suits (and colors for some of them), brand new Zords, and so on. I was not disappointed when it finally came around. I still get chills during A Zeo Beginning Part 2, right after the Rangers have received their new powers, they take off their helmets, the theme kicks up, and Zordon does his little speech about it being a new era as the images of the MMPR suits appear on the wall behind the Rangers. Just something about how that was done has always impressed me.

The only downside about Zeo, in my opinion, was how much they focused on Tommy for no real reason except that seemingly everyone but me viewed him as some sort of god. Even if it was another Ranger's focus episode, even if it was just him and one other Ranger in the scene, it was Tommy who was always front and center for the morphing call/Zeonizer summon sequence. They might as well have just called it "Tommy Oliver and His Amazing but Not Very Important Zeo Ranger Friends" at the rate things were going for a while.

But since it was brought up earlier in the thread..."Another Song and Dance"? That episode still leaves me doubled over in laughter these days, just because it was so cheesy and the singing was so bad. Between this and various other weird things that would happen, Zeo was very good at delivering the cracktastic humor.

[mnikolic]

Well, one of the unique things of Zeo is that it was directed differently than MMPR S3. That is noticable especially in the second half of Zeo. Some of the scenes in some of the episodes were filmed on different dates.

I liked that, it really refreshed the show.

Zeo was not lame. Well, except Billy's poor write-off, which was, by the way, THE WORST character write-off in PR's history. That is the only thing I don't like about Zeo. But everything else was awesome and refreshing.

[Thrax]

I loved the team-up in PRZ with the episodes Rangers of the two Worlds Pt 1 and 2

[Digifiend]

No proper finale either. I wish Scorpion Rain was a real episode.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Oh, now you're just making crap up. Tommy finally got an actual storyline to his own in Zeo (rather than "Kat wants him" in season three, the most boring of all his eras -- the season where his sole focus ep was RITA'S PITA), but that season managed to effectively introduce FOUR other lead characters. Adam and Rocky's personalities are finally established after years of being empty shells, Kat is turned into the self-hating overachiever we know so well, and Tanya hit the ground running.

Really, six episodes centered around his backstory and tying off his relationship with Kim is pretty tame. Hell, King for a Day is a JASON story. Tommy was the focus of the show because he was the most popular character, but he stopped dominating the individual plots pretty decisively after Ninja Quest. By the start of Turbo he was very literally an absentee cast member. Zeo is the season where EVERYBODY got focus.

(it's also a narrative wreck that aims higher than it could possibly achieve when it was hindered by a cheap-looking military industrial Sentai that did not want to bend into an epic space opera, thus giving us a similar situation to SPD but with superior writing on every level, and I feel ultimately floundered around until Trey arrived and Rita and Zedd returned, precisely because the writers had gotten sick of the Power Rangers as lead characters in the third season and could not handle non-villain driven stories again, even now that the Rangers DID have personalities -- which is why I hate Zeo, but it's still by far the best and easiest season to branch AU fanfiction off from)

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Well, one of the unique things of Zeo is that it was directed differently than MMPR S3. That is noticable especially in the second half of Zeo.

Right, the second half where the show goes back to being plot-driven on Rita and Zedd again. Where they instigate most of the action in the series, or most of the growth and episode focus is spent on developing their storyline. When the show's writing finally picks up again because that's what the show's writers were used to doing. That's nothing at all like the third season.


Some of the scenes in some of the episodes were filmed on different dates.

Um...? That's how production works on every television series. Hell, if scheduling for actors is off, it can be WEEKS between shots in the same scene.

[mmpr grove]

The amount of time I spent watching TV decreased a lot after Hogday afternoon. I thought power rangers was over. Than of course January rolled around and I found out about Zeo.

[Hears All]

Zeo Zord V fire spin attack

Zeo Zord IV electricity from its horns

Zeo Zord III head mounted cannon

Zeo Zord II twin rockets on the top, and side mounted cannons.

Zeo Zord I side mounted missile launchers, top mounted cannon.

Zeo Megazord warrior mode with the Zeo V battle helmet, wears the helmet of the other four Zeo Zords

Red Battlezord rapid firing wrist mounted blasters, and punching action. The power rocket spin, and star visor blast.

Zeo Mega Battlezord combines with the Zeo Megazord to form the Zeo Mega Battlezord as well as combines with the Zeo Zords and Pyramidas to form the Zeo Ultrazord.

Pyramidas capable of interstellar flight, fires golden lightning bolts. Combines with the Zeo Zords and Red Battlezord to form the Zeo Ultrazord

Zeo Ultrazord carrier mode merges with the other zords either by transforming into a rolling carrier with the Zords on top.

Zeo Ultrazord warrior mode merges with the Zeo Zords by transforming into warrior mode, which places the Zeo Zords inside chambers within Pyramidas, and Red Battlezord on top to form the shoulder cannons.

Super Zeo Zords capable of flight and energy projection from their chests, and are each equipped with a laser pistol and a Power Weapon.

Super Zeo Megazord combinatin of Super Zeo Zords into Super Zeo Megazord, armed with twin swords.

Warrior Wheel rolls into battle as a wheel and transforms into a robot in warrior mode. Super Zeo Megazord rolls Warrior Wheel in wheel mode at a monster, destroying it with a blast of energy.
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What's lame?

I thought there theme and the way they looked was really lame. The Super Zeo zords were alright, but the I really didn't like the first set they got, IMO

[Digifiend]

Me neither. Zeo Zords I and II had to be towed by III and IV! Ridiculous, considering how past zords worked.

[Super Jeff]

That was a bit odd

[ForeverBlue]

I liked the Super Zeo Zords more than the Zeo Zords

[Jacen Solo]

What was your original reaction to the MMAR Final Scene and the introduction to Power Rangers Zeo?

I was shocked that the Command Center was destroyed. I thought that surely the Rangers would find and disarm the bomb.

I never thought Mondo and the Machine Empire were threat level red villains, really.


I thought there theme and the way they looked was really lame. The Super Zeo zords were alright, but the I really didn't like the first set they got, IMO


Me neither. Zeo Zords I and II had to be towed by III and IV! Ridiculous, considering how past zords worked.

I'm with you there. Heck, the Zeozords reminded me of the DINOZORDS in terms of appearance and their awkward movements.

[PowerOnyx]

I liked the totem style Zeozords.

And Pink and Yellows were awesome.

[SirStack]

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! All of those so called "Sneak peaks" I dealt with over the summer are null & void.

I didn't know March and April were considered part of the Summer in the United States.

[Mr. Pink]

Sure Zeo Zords 1 and 2 had to be towed, but they were the fire power for the Zeo Megazord... what did the Sphinx and Bull really do other than pulling them around?

[TZMhero]

The super Zeo Zords were one of the only zords I actually got. I didn't care for them much in the show though... their transformation was practically a Tetris game!

[Jacen Solo]

I hear you there ... they just kinda fell on top of each other! lol

[TZMhero]

I'm waiting for someone to add in the Tetris theme to them falling.

[Digifiend]

lol, I see what you mean about Tetris. I agree with Mr Blue, Super Zeo was better than the first Zeo Zords.
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[Thrax]

Super Zeo Megazord is awesome !!!

[Spider-Phoenix]

I also prefer the Super Zeo zords over the regular ones.

Zeo was a good season to me. I just missed Aisha. I mean, i don't hate Tanya and i liked her development, but i'd rather seeing Aisha as the Yellow Zeo Ranger.

But the best thing i like about Zeo it was the return of the King (you know what i mean. Of course it's about JASON! )

[RedJou]

I liked the Super Zeo Zords, but felt they could have been more than just stacking shapes.

[Digifiend]

But the best thing i like about Zeo it was the return of the King (you know what i mean. Of course it's about JASON! )lol, Gold Ranger's Sentai name is KingRanger! :D

[ForeverBlue]

Oh yeah, it was great to see Jason return as the Gold Ranger :) I figured it would be him to be the gold ranger :p

[tkdnmb]

No proper finale either. I wish Scorpion Rain was a real episode.
actually i think this is as close as youll get and appearantly i still dont knowthe youtube tag... please fix!!!!

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[Digifiend]

actually i think this is as close as youll get and appearantly i still dont knowthe youtube tag... please fix!!!!
You just want the bit after v=.

And yeah, that's a fan-made one spliced from Zeo and MMPR season 2, based on a hoax. If only the series had actually ended that way, with a proper explanation for why they ditched the Zeo powers (i.e. zords destroyed) and why Rita and Zedd didn't appear in Turbo.

[Churly]

How come nobody taped Scorpion Rain?

I mean, finale's of extremely obscure game shows aired once make it on the tape trading circuit, but Scorpion Rain didn't?

[louie kaboom]

Zeo is the best season its my favourite it had some amazing episodes

Scorpian rain is so not real it dosent exist

[AoBlue]

I still kinda see Zeo as the climax of the Zordon Era because it began the whole changing of the suits and villains thing. I liked the overall character development each of the Rangers showcased throughout that time, especially Katherine and Rocky's. It was nice seeing Tanya transition into becoming a martial artist, rather than just jump into it as if she knew it from the get go. Tommy's arc about finding his heritage with the arrowhead was a nice touch too. The Gold Ranger arc can't go without mentioning as it kept me glued to the TV when I was younger. I was disappointed that Billy didn't become the Gold Ranger but it was nice to see Austin come back to the show to be Jason again.

I've always admired the Machine Empire but I do feel that they should've just let King Mondo remain dead after "Mondo's Last Stand" like his Ohranger counterpart as well as destroy Prince Sprocket but keept Prince Gasket as a separate person. Lol. I guess there's a lot I would change about how Zeo would end since well all know it never got a real finale. What else can I really say about Zeo... the theme was cool, the Power chamber was a great addition from the cramped Command Center. I liked the fact they had the MMPR suits, minus Green Ranger, in the background as a reminder of how things have changed. I felt a little bad for Auric because he wasn't used a lot and often kind of made me wonder where exactly he was and still is after all this time.

Oh yeah, Rita and Zedd returning was also a nice touch, I still remember in "King For A Day" when Zedd hesitantly said "We have to help the Power Rangers." and Rita fainted. Lol. That was a great moment. I still feel they got the raw end of the deal since they were the ones that put the Machine Empire out of business technically but never got their chance against the Rangers. Not that I hate Divatox because I like her but it would've been nice to see Rita and Zedd go after them again.

[Digifiend]

How come nobody taped Scorpion Rain?

I mean, finale's of extremely obscure game shows aired once make it on the tape trading circuit, but Scorpion Rain didn't?
Zeo is the best season its my favourite it had some amazing episodes

Scorpian rain is so not real it dosent existYeah, like I said, I wish it was real. It isn't.

[Khandri]

Oh, now you're just making crap up. Tommy finally got an actual storyline to his own in Zeo (rather than "Kat wants him" in season three, the most boring of all his eras -- the season where his sole focus ep was RITA'S PITA), but that season managed to effectively introduce FOUR other lead characters. Adam and Rocky's personalities are finally established after years of being empty shells, Kat is turned into the self-hating overachiever we know so well, and Tanya hit the ground running.

Really, six episodes centered around his backstory and tying off his relationship with Kim is pretty tame. Hell, King for a Day is a JASON story. Tommy was the focus of the show because he was the most popular character, but he stopped dominating the individual plots pretty decisively after Ninja Quest. By the start of Turbo he was very literally an absentee cast member. Zeo is the season where EVERYBODY got focus.

Er...was this directed at my comment about the Tommy focus? *confused* There are a lot of posts flying around, and it's hard to tell.

Anyway, my ire comes from the focus Tommy was given in episodes that were supposed to be about the other characters and/or more incidental scenes. The morphing sequence/Zeonizer summoning scenes especially come to mind here. For example...I forget which episode it was exactly (and I'm a bad, bad fan for being unable to recall it--need to rewatch these episodes ASAP), but it was just Tommy and Adam in the scene, they were both morphing...and when it came to doing the silly arm movements, it was as if Adam may as well not have been there, because the camera was only on Tommy. Even in other group morphs like that, the camera was frequently focusing on Tommy, or there was a split screen featuring him and Jason after he became Gold Ranger.

Still...six episodes, compared to two or three, maybe four if we're lucky, for many of the others? I realise Tommy was the most popular (though I personally couldn't stand him by that point), and I'm fully aware that my personal opinion of the character may be coloring my views on the situation, but I find it rather ironic that he goes and says "no one Ranger is more or less important than the other" upon Jason's return when he's the one who seems to get the most attention from the behind-the-scenes folks regardless of whose focus episode it is.

Perhaps this is something I should look for in my next watch-through. I could easily be wrong on a lot of these things simply because of personal opinion.

Now, if your comments weren't directed at me...well, I'm going to look pretty dopey rambling on and on about this, aren't I? :P

[Mugenhunt]

How come nobody taped Scorpion Rain?

Because it's a hoax. Some fans on usenet years ago spread a rumor that there was a secret episode of Power Rangers that only aired in Australia and bridged the gap between Zeo and Turbo, that it was five minutes long and aired in five segments, which had Australian sound alike actors playing Tommy and Kat, and used toys to make a Zord battle.

It never happened.

Later, those same fans who started the rumor made a fanfilm of it, and it's kinda leaked out a bit online, but because the woman who played Kat hasn't signed off on making it available to everyone (because they can't find her anymore), it's not available to download.

Later, one of those fans ended up writing Forever Red and put references to Scorpion Rain in it, which kinda sorta made the fan hoax part of Power Rangers history.

(I will be explaining this forever.)

[Quark]

(I will be explaining this forever.)

Explaining what, Scorpion Rain? What was that all about anyway? Where can I download it? (imagine a winky emoticon, I hate this boards emoticons)

[Digifiend]

lol. Try here. :)
http://www.mysmiley.net/free-winking-smileys.php

[mustang3173]

I liked the progression of the henchmen. With the putties, they could fight unmorphed. With the tengas, they turned into ninjas. But with the cogs they had to fully morph. I thought that was a neat way to show the power of the machine empire.

[Bighead]

(I will be explaining this forever.)

Almost makes you wish there was a stickied "What is Scorpion Rain?" thread. Almost.

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Anyone else think the King Ranger's suit was based on Goushi wearing the Dragon Shield for that one episode in Zyuranger?

[Mugenhunt]

But with the cogs they had to fully morph. I thought that was a neat way to show the power of the machine empire.

Huh. Never thought of it that way before. It almost makes "A Zeo Beginning" tolerable now, as the whole "Man, Cogs are SO much harder than Tengas" bit makes more sense. Yeah, they are harder. They have to Ranger Up to take care of them. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)


Anyone else think the King Ranger's suit was based on Goushi wearing the Dragon Shield for that one episode in Zyuranger?

I think that's Zyu2 Footage, but yeah. Definitely an inspiration there.

[PowerOnyx]

lol, Gold Ranger's Sentai name is KingRanger! :D

But Forever Red and Dino Thunder went out of their way to declare Tommy King.


Saban told us in Zeo that it was Jason. Suck on that, Dr. Oliver. :lol:

[Jacen Solo]

While I wasn't the biggest Tommy fan (as he was portrayed in PRZ/PRT; it seemed like he was always way too serious), I enjoyed his focus arc dealing with the arrowhead. It was a nice followup to his MMAR episode.

[Thrax]

Zeo is really awesome !!!

The Gold ranger arc is awesome is suit is awesome and, Pyramidas too

[Jacen Solo]

Now, Pyramidas, while being awesome, was always strange to me. All the zords up to that point had either been humanoid or based on beasts.

[Mugenhunt]

The original Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers had the Power of the Dinosaurs!
Then they used the Power of Thunder!
Then they learned the Power of Ninja!
Then... the powers of shapes. Oval! Two Ovals! Triangle! Rectangle! Star! Weird six-pronged Japanese character that isn't really Japanese because it's from space!

[PowerOnyx]

I was sad that Billy was not made Gold Ranger.

It was only 9 episodes. Should have gave it to Yost.

[Bighead]

I'm not too fussed about that seeing as how we got Jason back. He should have been Blue in the Turbo though. Have Justin as Blue in the movie, then bring back Billy during Shift Into Turbo to take over. Assuming Yost wasn't too bitter by then.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

And yeah, that's a fan-made one spliced from Zeo and MMPR season 2, based on a hoax.

FYI to the populace, since a lot of the fandom doesn't seem to grasp this no matter how many times the people posting it say so: that's not the real Scorpion Rain. Way too much effort was put into it. The Derik-made Scorpion Rain video (starring Amit and Satu) is only part five of five.

[Bighead]

Plus there are some differences: Red Battlezord was also destroyed, Trey and Pyramidas never got involved and Sepenterra was destroyed by a bomb planted by Tommy and Kat. That's everything I'm aware of at least.

[PowerOnyx]

I'm not too fussed about that seeing as how we got Jason back. He should have been Blue in the Turbo though. Have Justin as Blue in the movie, then bring back Billy during Shift Into Turbo to take over. Assuming Yost wasn't too bitter by then.

Or get rid of Rocky and make Billy Zeo Blue...

[Thrax]

i liked to see Trey as Gold ranger and Jason too

[PowerOnyx]

Couldn't Rocky have hurt his back before Zeo? Didn't Steve want to leave anyway?

[Bighead]

Couldn't Rocky have hurt his back before Zeo? Didn't Steve want to leave anyway?

Could have, but then there's no reason to have a kid as a Ranger in the movie. Something they were dead set on having for years.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Then... the powers of shapes. Oval! Two Ovals! Triangle! Rectangle! Star! Weird six-pronged Japanese character that isn't really Japanese because it's from space!

Though I do appreciate their making Trey a lord of his planet. I mean, I guess we're supposed to take it to mean that yes, that is the kanji for "king." The Golden Power Staff is meant to be passed down through the royal court of Triforia. Nice job keeping your dual identity a secret all these millennia, Trey!

[PowerOnyx]

Could have, but then there's no reason to have a kid as a Ranger in the movie. Something they were dead set on having for years.

Or not have the kid and have Billy or Zack come back as Blue Turbo. Or give theTurbo power to Raymond.

Have Billy build the Turbo tech and then the "aging" can begin, thus he must leave. Then Raymond, their buddy in Zeo, takes over for Billy as Blue Ranger.

[Mugenhunt]

Zeos ratings were poor, so they brought Jason back to try and prop them up. Didn't help, so they then added a kid to the cast. Didn't help, so they replaced most of the cast. Didn't help, so they replaced everyone but the kid. And then things started to work out.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Huh. Never thought of it that way before. It almost makes "A Zeo Beginning" tolerable now, as the whole "Man, Cogs are SO much harder than Tengas" bit makes more sense.

Yeah, this is why Rov was so into the fierceness of the Machine Empire. Billy stopped using direct martial arts to combat them himself, because they were individually meant to be taken on in Ranger form. An intermediate step between typical footsoldiers and monsters. Same operative logic with Quantrons, who really were not fought by normal people that often unless it was a melee battle.

(or Bulk and Skull in Gasket's arena, but c'mon, that was the CROWNING MOMENT OF AWESOME for the characters)


I think that's Zyu2 Footage, but yeah. Definitely an inspiration there.

It was, and Zyu2 was considered part of Kakuranger's production schedule. If they liked the look of the thing, they did have lead time...

[PowerOnyx]

Zeos ratings were poor, so they brought Jason back to try and prop them up. Didn't help, so they then added a kid to the cast. Didn't help, so they replaced most of the cast. Didn't help, so they replaced everyone but the kid. And then things started to work out.

It all happened because Billy wasn't a Ranger. :lol:

I know I was mad when the last original remaining MMPR was not given a power.

But I loved the Zeo season. And I still do.

I was glad that everyone (good and evil) in the season got focus. It wasn't another "Hey! Look at Tommy doing stuff!" season of episodes.

And it seemed proper for Billy to be in the Power Chamber as he was the tech who always saved the Ranger's butts.

Someone had to make sure Tommy didn't screw around.

As far as I'm concerned in Zeo, Billy was the Leader. Tommy was just the leader in the field.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Er...was this directed at my comment about the Tommy focus? *confused* There are a lot of posts flying around, and it's hard to tell.

But he was still the principle character. No one Ranger is more important than another, because they are a team. One CHARACTER is absolutely more important than another, that's how marketing works. THIS IS THE CHARACTER WHO IS THE ENTIRE REASON THE SHOW WAS A SUCCESS, OR GOT A SECOND SEASON, IN THE FIRST PLACE. I pretty consistently detested Tommy from White Light until Forever Red because he'd strayed so far from the character I loved, and even I knew why he was getting that much attention. He was the lead. If he didn't, it would be like the final third of Dino Thunder. Why even bother having him around, then? Considering he had a SINGLE focus episode the previous season (Rocky had three), six episodes -- three of which were to tie off a storyline concerning another character whose actress had left the series and thus left the entire burden on JDF -- is perfectly within reason. Hell, Jason wasn't even on half of the season and he still got FIVE focal episodes to himself.

There is no such thing as the mythical season where everyone got equal focus. Even PRDT, which went out of its way to give Ethan four episodes to headline himself, short shifted Trent. Of course, that's also because the White Ranger was not the same character as Trent, and he'd gotten five focals to himself. Somebody has to be the lead character. Surprise surprise, that usually tends to be the leader. Andros is one of my favorite characters of all time, but if the other Space Rangers hadn't gotten all of their character focus in Turbo he would be DETESTED for leeching any possibility for growth they had out of the season. Space is, by far, worse with regard to character focus than ANY Tommy season. But the fandom never notices, because they were so well drawn and fleshed out by the preceding year.

Look, nobody denies the character was borderline insufferable for most of those years. But Zeo was the first real rehabilitation he'd had, as they tried to imbue him with some sense of the lovable lug he used to be, before Green/White Ranger Mania meant he was so popular they couldn't actually do anything with him lest it infuriate their fickle child audience. You seem to be arguing that Tommy needed even less focus. Considering he was the lead, the fulcrum of popularity for the franchise, I'm not entirely certain what your logic is. Even episodes that had a lot of Tommy (Another Song and Dance or Brief Mystery of Time) were in no way TOMMY EPS. If splitting the focus episodes evenly around amongst the cast means Tommy gets his big beat every episode rather than multiple focals, I'll gladly take it!

[Mr. White]

Zeo was cool... Cool theme, villians, and I liked the Gold Ranger Arc

[Hears All]

I also didn't like Jason's Pyramid...it was just a pyramid. What was even weirder was when they used to "combine", the Zeo Zords used to just fly in the back, should that really count as combining?

[Digifiend]

No different to Tigerzord going inside Tor - with Thunderzord Assault Team and Red Dragon Warrior Mode just resting on top.

[tkdnmb]

and the nnija megazords just standing in titanus

[PowerOnyx]

I also didn't like Jason's Pyramid...it was just a pyramid. What was even weirder was when they used to "combine", the Zeo Zords used to just fly in the back, should that really count as combining?

I'd assume that Pyramidis harnessed all of the zords collective energies and combined that to its own power for an attack.

But no, that reallly wasn't combining zords, that was more of "shelfing".

It was combining of powers though.

[Digifiend]

and the nnija megazords just standing in titanusShogun and Dino too, but at least Titanus transformed a little to make room for the MegaDragonzord/MegaFalconzord. Not the case for Tor, and Pyramidas could do it's warrior thing without the other zords inside.

[tkdnmb]

well the dino MZ di combine in my opinion cuz some of titanus's parts made armor for it

[TZMhero]

Tigerzord: Whats that Tor? You want me inside you?

[Crazy Davey]

Andros is one of my favorite characters of all time, but if the other Space Rangers hadn't gotten all of their character focus in Turbo he would be DETESTED for leeching any possibility for growth they had out of the season. Space is, by far, worse with regard to character focus than ANY Tommy season. But the fandom never notices, because they were so well drawn and fleshed out by the preceding year.




This, is so true... Never noticed back in the day. It was a very smart move on the writers part.

[Jacen Solo]

Tigerzord: Whats that Tor? You want me inside you?

I'd mention something about the Assault Team riding on top of Tor, but ... no.

[Digifiend]

lol, I already did anyway - post 88. :)

[O.92]

Which set of powers did you like better? Mighty Morphin' or Zeo?

[Digifiend]

MMPR. Mainly because Zeo's suits are ugly, and the zords aren't as good.

[Hears All]

MMPR. Better zords and suit designs (I still think the Zeo suits were still good though)

[mmpr grove]

Zeo made Rito look more like Goldar's brother than Rita's.

[tkdnmb]

i gotta say mmpr. the suits just looked cleaner imo. in terms of power zeo was strongr but the suits seem all too plain to me (exect gold. always loved that suit)

[Jacen Solo]

I definitely liked the MMPR suits better. The Zeo suits (especially the helmets) were way too featureless.

[mnikolic]

I liked both of them, however, I liked the MMPR suits better. The Zeo halmets should have been as big as those of the MMPR suits. Otherwise, the Zeo suits were pretty good suits.

[ForeverBlue]

Which set of powers did you like better? Mighty Morphin' or Zeo?

I love both as it is. :D

[Thrax]

Which set of powers did you like better? Mighty Morphin' or Zeo?

I liked of both teams !!!

[Mr. Yellow]

It was refreshing for me to finally get away from the Zyuranger suits. The theme song used to get me pumped up.

[Archangel]

I think Zeo had the cooler theme song and while they can't beat the MMPR suits, the Zeo suits were neat in their own ways. In some cases, especially involving these earlier suits, less is definitely more.

Speaking of Zeo, I had just rewatched one of my favorite episodes from the season, "Another Song and Dance." People may rag on me all they want but it's a fun episode for me. Jason and Nakia talking in song throughout the episode is just too rich and it goes to show JDF can be very funny, if not tone deaf. :P

[ForeverBlue]

I didn't really care much for that sining episode at all...noisy lol

[Titanium Power]

The Zeo suits kicked ***, the gold ranger's suit especially.

[Mr. Green]

Speaking of Zeo, I had just rewatched one of my favorite episodes from the season, "Another Song and Dance." People may rag on me all they want but it's a fun episode for me. Jason and Nakia talking in song throughout the episode is just too rich and it goes to show JDF can be very funny, if not tone deaf. :P

"Lets stop this criiime!" "It's Morphin Tiiiime!"

Priceless :D

[Thrax]

I liked a lot in PRZ we find out there is someone more powerfull them Rita and Zedd and even Zordon know the Machine empire is a threat very powerfull to the rangers and i liked and Zordon tell the rangers this will be the more dangers days the rangers will go pass to them

[Jacen Solo]

I never felt, though, that the Machine Empire was portrayed enough as a threat level Red foe that Zedd and Rita would run flying for their lives. They were just as incompetent at getting rid of the Rangers as Rita and Zedd were. Probably why the latter came to view them as an intergalactic joke.

[O.92]

How did you feel about the newest villains, The Machine Empire?

[Super Jeff]

Pretty cool villains, especially how Mondo seemed more intimidating then Zedd since Zedd was toned down to be goofy husband.

[Jacen Solo]

I thought Prince Sprocket was hilarious. "Daddy, I want a toy!" "Now, Sprocket, you've already broken half the Cogs in our inventory!"

[Thrax]

How did you feel about the newest villains, The Machine Empire?

The Villans in PRZ are awesome !!!

[ForeverBlue]

How did you feel about the newest villains, The Machine Empire?

Was wondering when that question was going to pop up lol

The Machine Empire were a pretty good villain for Zeo.

[Thrax]

The Machine Empire were a pretty good villain for Zeo.

All villans want rule the Machine empire and want King Mondo place !!!

[Archangel]

King Mondo and Queen Machina? They were neat and all but I feel like Prince Gasket and Princess Archerina left more of an impression. I'll never forget when Gasket took Tommy and made him believe that he was the king of the Machine Empire. In terms of progress, the son trumped the father at least when it came to being an active force.

[mnikolic]

They were nicely made villains, but they did not achieve the level of evil and scarryness of Zedd and Rita. The Machine Empire was defeated by the Rangers with ease, while it Zedd and Rita needed to be scarred off by the Machine Empire to run for their lives.

I liked Mondo, Sprocket, Machina, Archerina and all of the leadership. But Gasket came really close to defeating the Rangers and I consider him to be the scarriest member of the Machine Empire. He got Tommy brainwashed and almost had him destory his own friends. The scenes where Tommy is being brainwashed and his powers being transfeerred to a monster are probably the most scarriest scenes in PR ever.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The trouble with the Machine Empire is that they were confined to incredibly limiting stock Sentai footage, which meant we were utterly disconnected from them. Their American suits were either the stunt costumes from Japan, or horrifying replicas. Klank especially. I'm just imagining Mark Richardson looking over US Klank and going... "eh, that'll do." There's no possibility for MENACE with them. They didn't even have a Goldar to confine to US battles. The absence of generals hindered this series incredibly because there was no single face to put to them in combat, thus necessitating Cogs get a significant step up in menace from typical footsoldiers to hide it.

You know how bad it was? THEY HAD A WHOLLY AMERICAN SKYBASE SET BUILT. Amit had mentioned more than once his incredulity at seeing it disassembled, since it had never even been used for minor drop-in shots like the little balcony in Rita's palace they had built for Goldar in the first season. Those costumes looked so pathetic they didn't even attempt to use them outside of the footage they were now committed to using. Gasket and Archerina were in far better shape, thus why the show picks up when they debut. Even though Gasket's kerchief is still making a go at concealing a little additional suit wear in the US.

[O.92]

Pretty cool villains, especially how Mondo seemed more intimidating then Zedd since Zedd was toned down to be goofy husband.

But I didn't find the Machine Empire all that intimidating either shortly after Zeo started.

I do have to ask, I thought the Royal House Of Gadgetry was destroyed by Zedd & Rita with that gift. How or why were they able to come back in episodes like 'From Out Of Nowhere' in PRIS?

[Mugenhunt]

They didn't DIE at the end of Good as Gold. They were still talking at the end. Just horribly crippled. And alone. I figure a year is long enough for some Cogs to fly in from elsewhere, pick them up and start repairwork.

The nice part about being robots is that they can get better. Mondo did after all.

[Jiemusu]

Tommy claimed the Zeo Rangers defeated Mondo. Presumably they thought they finished the job, having no idea Zedd and Rita did.

Same thing occurs in Tekken 3. Paul thinks he's beaten Ogre, walkes away pleased. Ogre transforms into True Ogre, Jin beats him, Jin is the victor.

"Deluded victory" should be a trope.

[Super Jeff]

I just meant that Zedd wasn't as feirce as he once was because of his marriage, hence why King Mondo made a better villain at the time.

[Thrax]

King Mondo made a better villain at the time.

yh, King Mondo is a villan who rocks in PRZ is the truth ruler of the Machine Empire !!!

[Jacen Solo]

I always find it entertaining that in "Countdown to Destruction," the Machine Empire is shown to still be on the moon when they get Astronema's orders.

And General Venjix was clearly the leader of the Machine Empire. :)

(No, I'm not being serious.)

[Fury Diamond]

What did you think of the Gold Ranger's initial appearance in "Power of Gold"? Did you like the way they presented his storyline?

[The 2nd Evil]

I loved it until the Trey reveal.

[Digifiend]

Billy's shifty behaviour is a mystery to this day, since we never found out why he was absent every time Gold Ranger showed up. Other than that, it was a good storyline. Oh, and you gotta love Gold Ranger's theme song.

[The 2nd Evil]

Billy's behavior was a red herring.

Which was rather disappointing, I thought.

[mnikolic]

I was happy with it. It was one of the best mystery sotrylines ever in PR in my opinion.

I liked how Trey was revealed to be the gold ranger. However I was hoping for Billy to be the Gold Ranger. I would really love to know what was Billy's mistery.

And yes, the gold ranger's theme still rocks big time whenever I listen to it. And i listen to it a lot. :D

[Mugenhunt]

Obviously Billy was calling the Gold Ranger and telling him where the trouble was, but keeping that fact secret from everyone else.

[TZMhero]

Gosh, whats funny now, hearing how things worked out behind the scenes, I just knew the main guy from VR Troopers was going to join the team. Gotta love pre done ADR.

[Jacen Solo]

Billy's shifty behaviour is a mystery to this day, since we never found out why he was absent every time Gold Ranger showed up. Other than that, it was a good storyline. Oh, and you gotta love Gold Ranger's theme song.


Obviously Billy was calling the Gold Ranger and telling him where the trouble was, but keeping that fact secret from everyone else.

Sounds like Rovang might think so too (check out his "Journal of William Cranston" fanfic). I like the idea.

I enjoyed the Gold Ranger arc, and all the red herrings we were given (especially the idea that Skull might have been the Gold Ranger!)

[ForeverBlue]

What did you think of the Gold Ranger's initial appearance in "Power of Gold"? Did you like the way they presented his storyline?

Great and yeah, I did like the way the showed his storyline. Very well done

[Mugenhunt]

Gosh, whats funny now, hearing how things worked out behind the scenes, I just knew the main guy from VR Troopers was going to join the team. Gotta love pre done ADR.

Yeah. Same here. I was so excited to have him show up and so disappointed when Jason became the Gold Ranger that I quit watching Power Rangers.

[Thrax]

What did you think of the Gold Ranger's initial appearance in "Power of Gold"? Did you like the way they presented his storyline?

i liked of the all Gold ranger story arc as awesome begins with Trey as Gold ranger and help the rangers in the fight aganst the Machine empire to give the power of Jason and the Super Zeo Zords that as realy awesome all episodes will Gold ranger are awesome and is suit is the best of all Zeo rangers

[Jacen Solo]

I still remember the old promo with Catherine Sutherland and Johnny Yong Bosch.

"Who is the Gold Ranger?"
"You've gotta watch Fox Kids to find out!"

My sis was convinced that Gold was Fred Kelman from MMPR:TM, who joked about becoming a Gold Ranger.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

"Pre-done?" ADR doesn't work like that. That's why it's ADDITIONAL dialogue recording. Or automated dialogue REPLACEMENT. Either way. It's done after. Brad was already contracted for work on the series in some fashion, and the actors they'd chosen for Trey didn't have the right voices for the role. The fit was natural.

[TZMhero]

Ah. I thought ADR was done after, but it was so odd that he still did the voice... I had gotten the impression that he had dubbed the voice but then because of some reason or another he wasn't able to play the character outside the suit, so they went in another direction. I don't recall, did he dub over the Trey actors' speaking lines as well?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Yes. Which is why that explanation made no sense to me. He just conveniently happened to be playing a triplicate being named Trey of Triforia.

[TZMhero]

Are you saying my explanation made no sense or the shows? I'm so confused.

[johnson365]

"Pre-done?" ADR doesn't work like that. That's why it's ADDITIONAL dialogue recording. Or automated dialogue REPLACEMENT.

Y'know, I've never really known what ADR stood for. :) Thanks! :D

On another note, I was disappointed to not see Brad Hawkins as the true identity of the Gold Ranger. Maybe he was doing other work or whatever, but it was kinda disappointing to me to find out that was all ADR and they gave us three different actors with his voice dubbed over.

Although, I think that, since Brad wasn't joining the cast, the return of Austin St. John was a very good idea.

I just can't remember if they addressed the whole Switzerland thing. :)

[mnikolic]

I think they skipped the whole piece conference thing in Zeo. Also, they did not reveal if Zack and Trini were still attending the piece conference or did they return home to Angel Grove.

[PowerOnyx]

^ That's exactly why Billy should have been Gold Ranger. It was only 9 episodes. But it opened a whole "can of worms" regarding the previous seasons storylines when Jason came back.

[Digifiend]

Nine? It's 17! A Golden Homecoming through to Good as Gold.

http://www.rangercentral.com/eps-prz.htm

[PowerOnyx]

^That Jason appeared in as Gold Ranger...

[Fury Diamond]

The Gold Ranger's entrance was awesome. His first fight was pure poetry. I loved how they kept making you wonder who the Gold Ranger was...similar to the who the White Ranger could've been. It kept leaning towards Billy with his random disappearances during the fights. One funny scene was when Rocky tries to prove that Billy was the Gold Ranger.

I wasn't a fan that the Gold Ranger was Trey, but the "Triforia" concept does match the "Gold Ranger" symbol design. I'm not a fan of Jason's original character, but his role as the Gold Ranger was very solid. IMO, the Gold Ranger (as a character) is amazing...great costume, great voice (Brad Hawkins), cool background music, and one awesome zord!

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[PowerOnyx]

I'm not a fan of Jason's original character, but his role as the Gold Ranger was very solid.

Jason just didn't feel like "Jason" in Zeo.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Are you saying my explanation made no sense or the shows? I'm so confused.

Yes, I am pointing out the ridiculousness of thinking that a man who was looping a triplicate character played by triplets, named Trey, from the planet Triforia, had in fact recorded the dialogue ahead of time when he was himself filming the exact same scenes (when looping requires you isolate the person in a sound-proof booth to remove all ambient noise and reusing audio from another take over the existing one would cause sound disparities that people would pay close attention to), but was for some reason displaced.

[Hellion01]

Jason just didn't feel like "Jason" in Zeo.

I thought he did, especially when he took charge as leader when tommy was gone in Where in the world is Zeo ranger 5 and King For a day parts 1 and 2. (AKA THE BEST ZEO EPISODES)


Pretty typical old Jason to me.

[TZMhero]

Yes, I am pointing out the ridiculousness of thinking that a man who was looping a triplicate character played by triplets, named Trey, from the planet Triforia, had in fact recorded the dialogue ahead of time when he was himself filming the exact same scenes (when looping requires you isolate the person in a sound-proof booth to remove all ambient noise and reusing audio from another take over the existing one would cause sound disparities that people would pay close attention to), but was for some reason displaced.

So he did in fact film the scenes of himself being the gold ranger, in human form pre change to the Trey version which we ended up getting?

Thank you for clearing that up too, makes much more sense now.

[PowerOnyx]

So he did in fact film the scenes of himself being the gold ranger, in human form pre change to the Trey version which we ended up getting?

I'd like to see those scenes.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Are the two of you biologically incapable of comprehending the concept of sarcasm? Go back and reread what I just wrote and think for even a second about it.

Yes. A single person did entire sequences as a triplicate character. By himself. Named TREY of TRIFORIA. And even though they later recast this role, they decided to use the audio tracks from Brad Hawkins' performance. Which they carefully, intricately synchronized entire scenes for the next SEVENTEEN EPISODES to match. Because, clearly, they shot the entire series with Brad playing three characters and then just decided to go back for a laugh and redo it with three people. But keeping his dialogue. Even though I just clearly pointed out ADR works in the exact opposite way than this, and restaging a scene with new actors to existing audio is all but impossible to do.

[TZMhero]

Thats the thing, you were saying I was wrong and I assumed you were correcting me, not being sarcastic and pushing it beyond what I said even further. Thank you for getting the right part out even if it took bashing my head into the curb a few times. Even then, what I was meaning was it originally planned for him to be who was under the Helmet BEFORE they came up with the Trey story arc and character? That is what I was implying, not that he played all three Trey's, then voiced them afterwards. then they re-shot the characters, etc.
I'm sorry I was vague and didn't word what I was trying to say correctly. I just figured as you were correcting me, the correction would be accurate, and even then i misunderstood what you were implying. I thought when you said it was displaced that it was unknown why they changed the character to be Trey instead of Ryan Steel or whatever he was planned to be before the addition of the Trey character. I guess that is my own fault for assuming they would not have that story element written out and planned by the time the voice recording for Trey/Gold ranger had occurred.
Once again, I apologize for misreading and mistyping... I would just like it if the next time you correct me, which I'm sure will happen in the future, you didn't do it in the form of sarcasm. I may be thick and unable to realize it at first... but it's still an insult.

[SirStack]

Pretty typical old Jason to me.

The thing about Jason is, he was the least developed of any of the original team. Look at how many focus eps Zack, Kim, Billy, Trini, and Tommy all had. Jason? All he truly had were "The Rockstar", which wasn't even about him at all but his horribly-dubbed cousin, and "Missing Green", which was basically a reactionary episode to Tommy's fate, giving a good chunk of the ep to the rest of the team's mission to find him! It wasn't until Zeo that Jason got a real focus episode, "Bomber in the Summer". He was just the generic leader guy until then. Every member of the original team had at least one love interest, but Jason got nobody until Zeo. That little bit of time he had in Zeo, to me, makes up for the stiffing his character got back in the early days.

As for Billy, they should've cut his brain out and put it in Alpha 6. That way, Yost could stay on the show without having to work with the cast. Win-win.

[Quark]

A cast shadow of JDF flipping off Alpha would start showing up on film. Yost would have to say something like "Good luck, Tommy!" with clenched teeth in the recording studio.

[PowerOnyx]

Are the two of you biologically incapable of comprehending the concept of sarcasm?

Sarcasm doesn't really translate all that well into text.

[Mugenhunt]

We don't know when the decision to make Jason be the Gold Ranger came during the production process. It's possible that it was a last minute change and Brad got unceremoniously dumped from the part after having been cast for the part. It's very unlikely that they got to the point where Brad actually filmed any scenes given that they only used suit footage for the first few episodes of the whole "Who is the Gold Ranger?" mystery.

(Jesse, does the timing work out on this one? Would there have been enough time for the ADR of the first Gold Ranger episode to precede the Trey of Triforia revelation for Brad to have possibly been cast with the assumption of playing the character only to have it taken away at the last minute?)

Either way, ADR is done after filming, and is one of the last parts of the production process. There aren't any scenes of Brad filmed for Zeo. He was going to be Gold Ranger, then they changed their minds and had Austin St. John reprise his role as Jason and got triplets to play the Gold Ranger's civilian form. Whether this was a case of having Brad do the voice because they'd already established him as the voice of Trey and wanting to make Trey a triplicate being without having to use special effects on Brad, or because the triplets had already been cast but couldn't act is unclear.

[SirStack]

(Jesse, does the timing work out on this one? Would there have been enough time for the ADR of the first Gold Ranger episode to precede the Trey of Triforia revelation for Brad to have possibly been cast with the assumption of playing the character only to have it taken away at the last minute?)

Let's look at the script dates. "The Power of Gold" had its final draft on March 29th. "Mondo's Last Stand" had its final draft on May 13th. "Do I Know You?" was being filmed April 18th (the bloopers show a slate).

I seem to recall in an interview Hawkins claimed he was only hired to be the voice, which came at the time when he was recording country music in a studio near where the ADR was being done. Or something close to that.

[Mugenhunt]

So it doesn't look like there's enough time for the idea of Brad playing the Gold Ranger to have made it beyond just tossing ideas around in the script room. Thanks.

[Jiemusu]

Jason just didn't feel like "Jason" in Zeo.

Yeah, it's called development. It's not an uncommon feature of fiction.

Other characters have changed dramatically aswell, it's not too strange.

Like it was mentioned above by someone, Zeo was the first time Jason actually got some decent focus, and was able to be HIMSELF finally, rather than just being a generic alpha male to lead, to the point where leadership seemed to be the only thing that gave Jason ANY presence.

Development, off screen, gave Jason the chance to learn how to be himself without having to sacrifice his whole character for the sake of leading. As a result, we see a more developed, realistic, more humanoid, Jason. He was finally himself. That's why I preferred Jason in Zeo, he actually became himself, because he didn't have a leadership role to sacrifice his character for.

I mean, despite "actor reasons", look what happened to Jason as red when Tommy was the leader, before Jason left... without being leader, Jason wasn't really developed enough to be anything, because he never had the chance. He had spent 1.5 years with his whole character literally devoted and fixed to leadership, then it was taken away, like he barely had a chance to adapt, hence an awkward, silent version of Jason that didn't really know how to act. He wasn't leader but, he needed to be because he wasn't sure how to act and NOT be leader, because his character was solely defined to be leader, and Tommy was now it.

He gets off screen development in Switzerland, or wherever else they went for the conference, and has finally developed not necessarly as a subordinate, but as an INDEPENDANT person. This time, there was no team for him to devote his life to. He, not selfish but, he became more independant to the point where he could now afford to focus on himself.

Thing with Jason is that, even in MMPR if he has his heart set on something, he won't stop, he'll carry on and on till he suceeds, to beat the challenge. You'd think that would somehow make Jason a deep character as red, not really. Thing is, this usually ACCOMPLIES something else, and varies in depth depending on the "goal" that's focused. In Jason's MMPR case, that goal was just constantly leading his team. Without a team, and without being in the ranger squad in general, Jason's goal was (aside from "world peace") himself. 2 episodes in when he joins Zeo, he has his eye on a girl. In MMPR, that wasn't Jason, that was a generic alpha male leader that Jason took it on himself to portray at the sacrifice of being himself.

People rave about Jason in Red but, to be honest, he didn't have that much of a character.

If there's any season that shows Jason as "Jason", it's Zeo.

It's also why I preferred Rocky as MMPR Red, because I felt it gave us an actual "personality" in the suit.

[Thrax]

well i think they have not much coises for Gold ranger well but i think they even can choise Billy or even the brother of Tommy

[Jiemusu]

Reasoning for Jason being brought back rather than using the red herrings of Billy and David, as in David Truehart, Tommy's brother (it's amazing how many times people say this only to have a response saying "lol I think you mean Billy, David Yost is the actor, hurr durr) was because of Zeo's (despite being a well liked season at face value) plummet in ratings. Jason was an attempt to get them back up, what with him being the original red and leader.

[tkdnmb]

i remember jason saying he dint want to be leader... or he didn't wanna take that from tommy at the end of a golden homecoming

[Jiemusu]

i remember jason saying he dint want to be leader... or he didn't wanna take that from tommy at the end of a golden homecoming

Yeah, he said to Tommy that he didn't want to put things back to the way they were before. In reference to Tommy previously being forced to hold back and be treated like a subordinate. He accepted Tommy's rise to leadership and, presumably, got used to finally being leadership free and to act as himself... until King For A Day briefly.

Best thing that could have happened to Jason personally. Not because I'm wild on Tommy as a leader or anything (considering he proved to be probably one of the worst overall), or particularly against Jason as leader (in fact as dull as his character was, he was serious to his duty, perhaps a little over serious), but it was great for Jason's character to finally be himself (as I said in my previous post).

Not being the leader is basically the greatest thing that could happen to Jason. Whether it was good for his team at the time though, is a different matter.

[Thrax]

Yeah, he said to Tommy that he didn't want to put things back to the way they were before. In reference to Tommy previously being forced to hold back and be treated like a subordinate. He accepted Tommy's rise to leadership and, presumably, got used to finally being leadership free and to act as himself... until King For A Day briefly.

well in King For A Day is one way of Jason make is redemption between because Jason let Tommy bad in Green Candle in King for a day we see Jason speak about that with Kat, Jason tell he let "Tommy bad one time"

[mnikolic]

well in King For A Day is one way of Jason make is redemption between because Jason let Tommy bad in Green Candle in King for a day we see Jason speak about that with Kat, Jason tell he let "Tommy bad one time"

Actually, he said he let Tommy down once and he was not going to let him down again. He really felt bad about it. I just finished watching that episode earlier today.

Anyway, those three episodes were the best Zeo episodes in my opinion. Tommy's brainwashing scenes are just pure awesomness. I bet it was hard for JDF (or for the suit actor) to film those scenes, because they're really intense, especially when Gasket transfers Tommy's powers to his monster.

As for the Jason thing, I agree about his character development in Zeo. He really didn't get much focus in MMPR. Zeo changed that. So did the Turbo Movie, which somehow shows that Jason ended up with Kimberly at some point between "Good as Gold" and the events in the movie. Which clearly states that some time has passed between the final episode of Zeo and the Turbo Movie.

[Digifiend]

Thrax is Portugese, it was probably just a bad translation, to be fair.

I assume in the movie, Jason had simply gone to Florida on holiday, hence why he was with Kim, who had moved there when she left the team to train for the Pan Globals. I think the writers must've forgot that she should've moved to France when they were over, since her mom moved there a few months before she left.

If a significant amount of time had passed, surely the Zeo Rangers would've had to fight some of Rita and Zedd's monsters. Nothing was ever mentioned to that effect.

[TZMhero]

So it doesn't look like there's enough time for the idea of Brad playing the Gold Ranger to have made it beyond just tossing ideas around in the script room. Thanks.

Thanks guys, that is what i was wondering. Once again sorry for mistyping/not being absolutely clear.

[Hellion01]

Anyway, those three episodes were the best Zeo episodes in my opinion. Tommy's brainwashing scenes are just pure awesomness.
^That. Not only does it put Jason on the map, i love how both ep's reconnect to MMPR so well. White ranger suit coming back to life, Rita's crew helping out,and Jasons refrence to Tommys Green ranger days. Though its weird how it shows Tommy getting ambushed in the beggining of KFAD in the command center, when he got transported in the earlier ep...

[Mugenhunt]

I think the writers must've forgot that she should've moved to France when they were over, since her mom moved there a few months before she left.

If Kim was enrolled in a Florida school, she would have stayed there being very close to graduation anyways.

[Hears All]

IMO Jason wasn't as memorable in Zeo because of his random debut. He came out of nowhere, the show was clearly setting up other characters as possible options. Also, Trey was making a fine Gold Ranger, it was lame of the writers to take him out of the show like that

[Bighead]

If a significant amount of time had passed, surely the Zeo Rangers would've had to fight some of Rita and Zedd's monsters. Nothing was ever mentioned to that effect.

Well, there is Scorpion Rain...

Unless you don't consider it in-continuity of course.

[Mr. CD]

What did everybody think about the death of King Mondo and introduction of Louie Kaboom?

[Thrax]

What did everybody think about the death of King Mondo and introduction of Louie Kaboom?

i like of King Mondo death is awesome to see Mondo fights the rangers in giant ans the rangersuse the Super ZeoMegazord, the introdution of Louie Kaboom as cool because Louie take charge of the Machine empire when Mondo gone and stay a good time to take Mondo place as the leader

[The 2nd Evil]

Mondo's death was a big deal when I first saw it, because it was the first time the Power Rangers had actually destroyed their enemy.

I always loved Louie Kaboom. I think it was his voice.

[Fury Diamond]

People rave about Jason in Red but, to be honest, he didn't have that much of a character.

If there's any season that shows Jason as "Jason", it's Zeo.

Well said. The fact that the Gold Ranger character was already awesome on its own also helped to give him props. But Jason's character had a more relaxed yet confident role as the Gold Ranger than during his MMPR Red Ranger.

[Digifiend]

Well, there is Scorpion Rain...

Unless you don't consider it in-continuity of course.Well at the time, it wasn't. Wild Force, specifically Forever Red, retconned it (or events with the same consequences anyway, namely the Zeo powers being retired and Zedd and Rita ceasing their attacks on Earth) into canon, by referencing it.

[ForeverBlue]

What did everybody think about the death of King Mondo and introduction of Louie Kaboom?

It was a good change :D And he did come back later of course :)

[Digifiend]

I wonder why they had him come back anyway? He was killed off permanently in Ohranger.

[ForeverBlue]

^Maybe the writers liked him and wanted him used again.

[Thrax]

King Mondo as a awesome villan and i think he has a good bad guys aganst the rangers when he returns put in danger all wishes of power of the others villans Rita, Zedd, Gasket and Archerina because wants take is father place in Ruler of the Machine Empire

[mnikolic]

It would be better if King Mondo was destroyed permanently the first time he fought the Rangers. Then Queen Machina would have a personal reason to battle the 6 giant Zeo Rangers in "Good as Gold", which would result in a better Zeo finale.

[The 2nd Evil]

I wonder why they had him come back anyway? He was killed off permanently in Ohranger.

As I recall, the Gasket suit was falling a part which prompted Mondo's return.

[Xerox]

If there's any season that shows Jason as "Jason", it's Zeo.

It's also why I preferred Rocky as MMPR Red, because I felt it gave us an actual "personality" in the suit.

I'm behind you a hundred percent on the Jason idea, he seemed to really come out of his leadership role to function as just another member of the team, and we really got to see him more as himself as a person, as opposed to his position on the team.

As for Rocky, I feel the opposite. I think his situation was also similar to that of Jason's, as well as most of the team at the time, Adam especially. I felt that we really started to see a lot more of the rangers' personalities once Zeo hit. Whether it was due to a change in writing or team dynamic, I can't be sure, but they seemed to just fit better in these respective positions.

(I think I may have misinterpreted you on the Rocky quote though. Did you mean you preferred him as MMPR red to Jason's red, or you preferred his MMPR red to his own Zeo Blue?)

[PowerOnyx]

I think Rocky would have been better suited for Turbo Blue. I didn't like his as MMPR Red or Zeo Blue.

[Xerox]

I would've loved to see Rocky as Turbo Blue. He would have fit in so well with the team during the first half. I felt Justin just didn't jive well with the team until the Passing of the Torch. Steve should've stayed on just a little longer.

[Hellion01]

I think Rocky would have been better suited for Turbo Blue. I didn't like his as MMPR Red or Zeo Blue.

If not for rocky taking on Mondo, the rangers wouldnt have succesfully defeated him the first time. And it was a real bummer watchin Justin take his place as turbo blue.I think rocky shouldve pulled an Adam and came back to help once in awhile. He still had his Zeonizer and his Power morpher (which was probably busted like adams and the rest of the guys).

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It helped that they gave up any sort of pretense on Rocky being his own character and just decided to make him Steve Cardenas. Lovable, goofy Rocky is who Steve actually is. It is that rare instance where apathy and "don't be something you're not" paid dividends. Rocky did not work. He was a cipher, despite innumerable focal episodes.

[SirStack]

I wonder why they had him come back anyway? He was killed off permanently in Ohranger.

Same reason why they didn't kill off Rito. Or Master Vile. Or General Havoc. Or any main villain ever until CTD. There was no resolution intended in an effort to keep the overall never-ending arc of the show going. Always "let's keep our options open, in case the new guys don't work out". But with Mondo, I do think they knew they had Oh vs Kaku footage to use and wanted to bring him back for that, at least.

But they were always building up to something. It's why PRZ didn't have a proper finish, from what I remember Doug telling me once. Build up the universe, we'll get to concluding things later. Then there was no later, out of the blue Tzachor wanted everything just dropped. MMPR-PRZ is so tightly connected, as if they felt continuity was what was keeping kids watching. Then all of a sudden it was like they felt continuity was keeping new viewers out.

[Thrax]

But they were always building up to something. It's why PRZ didn't have a proper finish, from what I remember Doug telling me once. Build up the universe, we'll get to concluding things later. Then there was no later, out of the blue Tzachor wanted everything just dropped. MMPR-PRZ is so tightly connected, as if they felt continuity was what was keeping kids watching. Then all of a sudden it was like they felt continuity was keeping new viewers out.

Yh, PRZ dont have a proper finale because the final of PRZ is Season to Remember and next of that episodes happens the TPRTM well maybe the finle of PRZ happens in the Movie, because the change to Zeo for Turbo very fast, but i think they keep the all villans of the all series to MMPR to PRZ is a way for all villans go to PRIS and be all destroyed fot Zordon wave in PRIS, but i think Kingo Mondo shoulb be stay destroyed and them someone take is place to became the main villan in PRZ because in Zeo appears many villans who want takes Mondo place and take is power to but in some episodes we heard of Mondo be rebuilt, Queen Machina tell some time that of Sproket

[Jiemusu]

(I think I may have misinterpreted you on the Rocky quote though. Did you mean you preferred him as MMPR red to Jason's red, or you preferred his MMPR red to his own Zeo Blue?)

Well actually, I mean the first, I preferred him being MMPR Red to Jason because it felt like we got someone with an actual personality and character in the MMPR Red suit rather than just a generic role (even though I think the MMPR Red suit benefitted and was put to greater use with Jason in it, I PREFERRED Rocky in it more due to being more relatable and charming).

But in all honestly, I probably mean both. I probably did like Rocky better as MMPR Red to when he was Zeo Blue. But I still thought he was great as Zeo Blue, I just felt he was better as MMPR Red.

People normally disagree with this because they refuse to accept anyone as MMPR Red apart from Jason, so just chose to assign Rocky to Zeo Blue. But I really liked Rocky as MMPR Red.


I would've loved to see Rocky as Turbo Blue. He would have fit in so well with the team during the first half. I felt Justin just didn't jive well with the team until the Passing of the Torch. Steve should've stayed on just a little longer.

But you see, the thing is, it makes Rocky cooler. He left on his own terms, own terms. The whole squad would eventually be given the boot anyway in less than half way through the season. If Rocky had the window open, why close it and push on if he was going to get the same outcome without any control? The others did that, the others pushed on and on, but then were basically given the boot without having any say, they were tools basically. They went on Dimitria's word.

Rocky, went on his word, no one elses, his own. He was going to be gone along with the rest anyway, but he made it his decision, he had total control. He wasn't being selfish or trying to hog a morpher (or morphers in general) for as long as he possibly could, he knew ranger duration didn't last forever. He did his time, or what he fought was more than enough of a duration, he was proud of that. If he had to return later, he would, but he handled his duration with grace, it was admirable, plus he personally passed his torch onto Justin and gave it a chance.

Zordon chose Justin? True, but Rocky was the one that said Justin could keep the morpher.

Think of it this way. Rocky relocated and moved out of the apartment on his own terms, where as his housemates were all evicted and dumped.

[Super Jeff]

Well in a way Rocky was injured so he felt like he wouldn't be much use, so he had no choice but to move on. But yeah I see where you are going with.

[mnikolic]

Yh, PRZ dont have a proper finale because the final of PRZ is Season to Remember and next of that episodes happens the TPRTM well maybe the finle of PRZ happens in the Movie, because the change to Zeo for Turbo very fast, but i think they keep the all villans of the all series to MMPR to PRZ is a way for all villans go to PRIS and be all destroyed fot Zordon wave in PRIS, but i think Kingo Mondo shoulb be stay destroyed and them someone take is place to became the main villan in PRZ because in Zeo appears many villans who want takes Mondo place and take is power to but in some episodes we heard of Mondo be rebuilt, Queen Machina tell some time that of Sproket

The PRZ Finale is the episode "Good As Gold", not "A Season To Remember".

In "Good As Gold", the Rangers are shown defeating the leadership of the Machine Empire at a "giant forms" battle, while Zedd, Rita, Goldar, Finster and Rito watch the battle of the top of a mountain.

"A Season To Remember" shows the leadership of the Machine Empire to be at the full strength and putting the Rangers into an evil spell, if I remember correctly. So that episode can't be even considered to be the final. Besides, the Rangers make an excuse for Billy not being there, but we clearly see Billy got written off the series with "Rangers of Two Worlds". Also, I have the episode "A Season To Remember" labeled as episode 29 and "Good as Gold" as episode 50 on my external Trekstor 1 TB HDD.

[Jacen Solo]

I think he was referring to the fact that "A Season to Remember" aired long after the finale, similar to "Wormhole" and "Endings." But I don't entirely remember on that point.

[Digifiend]

Wormhole aired half way through SPD in Canada, while the US had to wait another six months!

A Season to Remember only aired four days after Good as Gold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Power_Rangers_episodes

[Bighead]

Wikipedia? Really? Try Rov's list:

http://www.rovang.org/wg/eps.htm#prz

"A Season to Remember" may have aired later, but it was meant to take place a lot earlier. I'm pretty sure it was produced earlier too.

[Digifiend]

I'm not denying that. But that link doesn't include the airdates, which is what Jacen was referring to. I was only using the Wiki link to confirm the broadcast order.

[mnikolic]

Well, there have been many versions of PR episode lists online (there still are), but I think those ep lists which go along with the show's continuity are really accurate. I consider "Good As Gold" as the ONLY Zeo Finale, because it ends the strugle between the Machine Empire and the Power Rangers Zeo. It also leaves an open hole for Zedd's and Rita's return, which should have happened in Turbo, but due to Zedd's voice actor was unavailable at the time and probably because of some other reasons, we got Divatox and her gang in Turbo.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I think our standards for "broadcast order" vs. "airing order" should most often err on the side of the former in terms of classification, except for things like DVD sequencing or in application of terms like "finale." Terms that fulfill a story function, rather than merely a sequential order quota. But that's me.

[Xerox]

You sure you didn't mean 'Broadcast Order' vs 'Production Order'? Broadcast and airing would mean the same thing. I think, though, both aren't necessarily a good guideline to go by, as you've said. What's most important is story sequencing, which is sometimes hard to figure out, given the contents of the episode. There were some episodes near the end of Season 3 with Kat and Kim that had me thoroughly confused, and I think I watched them in aired order.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Intended broadcast order vs. airing order? I was using a looser term for production order than I should have, which is my own fault, but what I meant was "how they're meant to be shown" vs "how they are actually shown."

[Thrax]

Good As Gold make more sense to be the final of PRZ

[Xerox]

Well of course it was the finale. I hardly considered Season to Remember to fit into the story of the season at all anyway. I'd level it somewhere between I'm Dreaming of a White Ranger and Alpha's Magical Christmas. PR did Christmas specials to hype up the kiddies for some Ranger toys as presents.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The televised Christmas specials still happened, however. I mean, if you push hard enough it IS possible to ram Magical Christmas in there too... I'd just prefer we never did that.

[Thrax]

in here there is the place of the episode Season to remeber http://www.rangercentral.com/eps-prz.htm

[Xerox]

Oh, I know they still happened, I'd just really prefer that they didn't. Sure they're fun, but they don't really contribute much. What's your reasoning that Magical Christmas could potentially fit somewhere? I think given that Tommy is Green and the three new rangers are present, it really has no possible place in the timeline.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

It requires we accept that Tommy using the Wizard's wand to depower Tom ended up transferring the Green Ranger powers back TO the wand, and thus allowing Zordon (before he destroys it) to recreate the Dragon Coin. However, it merely placed a finite amount of energy into the Coin, rather than reconnecting it to the Grid. Attempting to graft it to a human host again in tandem with the festive holiday magics present at the North Pole (established in IDoaWR) briefly stabilized the Green Ranger's powers, but it was not to be.

This also requires we accept that due to the fact their bodies process the connection between the Dino Coins and Ninja Coins differently, the latter won't work at the North Pole but the former WILL under the right circumstances. I'm prepared to accept that, I just don't WANT to.

[TZMhero]

ah airing order... who else got the episode with Pudgy Pig first? I saw that one BEFORE the first episode on Fox... confused the hell out of me, but it gave me the 'holy crap this is awesome ' feal pre 'omg, they have giant robots too!' moment. That is when the super hero fan in me, and the transformers fan in me suddenly had isome common ground. Great stuff this PR.

[SirStack]

"A Season to Remember" may have aired later, but it was meant to take place a lot earlier. I'm pretty sure it was produced earlier too.

Most places put it right before "Revelations of Gold" because of the large gap of time between "Do I Know You?" and that episode (they hadn't seen Gold Ranger in some time). But AStR was actually written and produced around "Oily to Bed, Oily to Rise". But it was intentionally given the production number of 204, aka the final episode of Zeo, because they knew it wouldn't air until after all the rest of the season (something they would've learned from season 3 with "I'm Dreaming of a White Ranger", which ended up being numbered where it was made despite not airing until much later).

Which means Yost was still on the show when it was made, yet it's even in the script to have Billy off visiting his family. I suspect this was done because, at the time, Yost was planning on leaving the show by season's end, so they figured by removing him from that episode, when it aired later in the year, it wouldn't seem as out of place (though the Rito & Goldar subplot surely sticks out). Clearly, there was a reason for not having Billy in the episode, and I'd love to know for certain someday.

[Hellion01]

*Sigh*

If only Scorpion rain (the real one) was not a hoax and was aired on tv...Good as Gold was the crappiest ending for such a good season.

[Mugenhunt]

At least they tried. The idea of making the Rangers have a giant battle with Mondo was pretty cool. The big problem was that the Rangers couldn't win. They can't defeat Mondo once and for all, so they had to let Rita and Zedd finish the job.

Sigh. The Rangers never got an actual victory for a long, long time.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Taken that way, Countdown to Destruction is the logical conclusion to the series thus far. The Power Rangers DON'T win, not usually. Their only victories are either due to their opponents destroying themselves, or pyrrhic in nature.

[Mugenhunt]

Lost Galaxy is the first season where the Rangers actually win. That's kinda depressing.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The colony was destroyed, but both Mirinoi and the colonists came out of it intact. Mutiny's slave camps were liberated. And the Rangers managed to kill an entire evil empire, who themselves took out a second. There's still some pyrrhic victory aspects to their win (the Magna Defender, the Guardian), but the major losses got recouped. Like Kendrix. THREE HUNDRED EPISODES for a decisive win. More if you want to count Lightspeed as an unquestioned win for the good guys.

[Mugenhunt]

Maligore. The Rangers actually beat him. That's their only clean victory, and even that's diminished because Elgar and Divatox return later.

In retrospect, the Rangers accomplished nothing of value. They didn't defeat Rita, or Zedd, or Rito, or Goldar, or Master Vile. They softened up Mondo for Rita and Zedd, beat Maligore, didn't beat Divatox, didn't beat Astronema, didn't beat Dark Specter.

What a horribly depressing show. Good can not defeat evil, only postpone it.

[Hellion01]

At least they tried. The idea of making the Rangers have a giant battle with Mondo was pretty cool.

I dont like the idea of they "tried". And when i seen good as gold when i was 5, i thought that fight was toooo cheezy and now im 18 and i still do. I dont get why there wasnt a proper 2-3 ep finale. Rangers fight the entire machine empire get close to winning and lose or the machine empire retreats, Divatox comes in and so on...


Id die happily if i seen that.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

What a horribly depressing show. Good can not defeat evil, only postpone it.

Dude, that's how destiny seems to work on this show too. For good (Leo), and for ill (The End of Time). How depressing it is to consider that some things simply HAVE TO HAPPEN, and the backstory and far future of this universe are goddamned horrible places filled with ancient evils beyond human comprehension? PR is like a bubblier version of Lovecraft. THIS WORLD IS NOT BY ANY MEASURE OF THE WORD HAPPY. It's just GOOFY.

[Ronny's Socks]

Maligore. The Rangers actually beat him. That's their only clean victory, and even that's diminished because Elgar and Divatox return later.

In retrospect, the Rangers accomplished nothing of value. They didn't defeat Rita, or Zedd, or Rito, or Goldar, or Master Vile. They softened up Mondo for Rita and Zedd, beat Maligore, didn't beat Divatox, didn't beat Astronema, didn't beat Dark Specter.

What a horribly depressing show. Good can not defeat evil, only postpone it.


They did defeat Ivan Ooze quite handily. So that's something.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Way to go, Rangers! You destroyed the guy who doesn't exist in the real universe.

Huhhh. It never occurred to me that this is further indicative of MMPR:TM not obeying the same operative narrative laws as the mainline PRU.

[Ronny's Socks]

None of the PR villains exist in the real universe.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I don't know what propaganda you're going on about, but I'll definitely be reporting your activities to our local Troobian garrison.

[mmpr grove]

Maligore. The Rangers actually beat him. That's their only clean victory, and even that's diminished because Elgar and Divatox return later.

In retrospect, the Rangers accomplished nothing of value. They didn't defeat Rita, or Zedd, or Rito, or Goldar, or Master Vile. They softened up Mondo for Rita and Zedd, beat Maligore, didn't beat Divatox, didn't beat Astronema, didn't beat Dark Specter.

What a horribly depressing show. Good can not defeat evil, only postpone it.

"Chaos shall always win over order, for that is the proper order of things" - hexadecimal

[Ronny's Socks]

Don't call them Troobians. They prefer Trafrican-Americans.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Goddamned robots taking all of our jobs.

[Ronny's Socks]

And mating with all the white women.

[PowerOnyx]

I wonder where Gasket and Archerina are.

[Mugenhunt]

I dont get why there wasnt a proper 2-3 ep finale. Rangers fight the entire machine empire get close to winning and lose or the machine empire retreats, Divatox comes in and so on...

The real reason is because they couldn't use OhRangers' ending, since the Sentai counterpart of Mondo died halfway through the season, but PR brought him back. So they had to invent their own, and well, without the sentai footage to create a cool Zord Battle, we got "Trick photography, make my Rangers grow!"

It's a lame ending, I agree. I just give them an A for effort.

[PowerOnyx]

^Felt like Megaloman to me when I first saw it.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Okay, here's an interesting question: do you think there's an incentive to not using a robotic workforce in the galactic marketplace? I mean, while robots are just as susceptible to mind control spells as organic life... They can work for longer without sleep. Presumably their sex lives are significantly faster and more efficient than our own. We know the IGPF uses Blue Senturion units, but I have to believe they have organic beat cops too. Do you think that, as a "disadvantaged" group in the work place, there are quotas for organic life that must be met? Only so many robots allowed in an organization founded or run by organic life?

God almighty. Could THIS be why the Machine Empire exists in the first place? Are robots actually a viably persecuted minority?

[DrBravo2]

The colony was destroyed, but both Mirinoi and the colonists came out of it intact. Mutiny's slave camps were liberated. And the Rangers managed to kill an entire evil empire, who themselves took out a second. There's still some pyrrhic victory aspects to their win (the Magna Defender, the Guardian), but the major losses got recouped. Like Kendrix. THREE HUNDRED EPISODES for a decisive win. More if you want to count Lightspeed as an unquestioned win for the good guys.

300 episodes for the Ranger to decisively defeat an enemy. They constantly "winning" because they never lose the Earth to an enemy.

Could that have been part of Zordon's plan? If the Rangers defeat one of their enemies it upsets the balance of power in the universe. You don't want Zedd, Vile, the Machine Empire, or Divatox taking over the resources of one of their rivals.

It's like the System Lords on early Stargate!

[Xerox]

The real reason is because they couldn't use OhRangers' ending, since the Sentai counterpart of Mondo died halfway through the season, but PR brought him back. So they had to invent their own, and well, without the sentai footage to create a cool Zord Battle, we got "Trick photography, make my Rangers grow!"

It's a lame ending, I agree. I just give them an A for effort.

The worst part is, it was hardly even trick photography either. Zoomed in tight with boulders in the foreground. Yeah, that's quite professional. They've spliced together footage to make Zord Battles before, why not again? Sure, it could never beat the real thing, but I would've preferred it to what we ended up with.

And how'd they grow again? A surge in Triforian energy or something along those lines? I dunno, it felt way rushed to me. I'll admit, though, the rest of the episode (everything excluding the grown battle) was decent finale material.

[Speedbreaker]

And how'd they grow again? A surge in Triforian energy or something along those lines?
It was a HAX deuce ex machina ability of the Golden Power Staff. I just assumed the "Power of Triforia" thing was just ceremonial, but given that Triforia was in alignment, I suppose it could have been drawing on the planet's natural biosphere/local Grid.

I *still* say it would've made more sense and have been cooler if Zedd and Rita had made the Rangers grow.

[Xerox]

Oh yeah, that's right - Earth was aligned with Aquitar and Triforia at the time, correct? I definitely agree with you about the use of deus ex machina, as if they didn't use it enough on this show, MMPR in particular.

Your growth theory would've been quite logical actually. Rita and Zedd wanted the Machine Empire gone, probably as much as the rangers did. Why waste their own energy when they could just give the rangers a temporary boost for their own advantage? Would've been a good plot turner and good insight to the characters of our beloved villains. I thoroughly enjoyed when they sided with the rangers against Ivan Ooze, so I probably would've felt the same about this.

[Hellion01]

The real reason is because they couldn't use OhRangers' ending, since the Sentai counterpart of Mondo died halfway through the season, but PR brought him back. So they had to invent their own, and well, without the sentai footage to create a cool Zord Battle, we got "Trick photography, make my Rangers grow!"It's a lame ending, I agree. I just give them an A for effort.

Thank god for scorpion rain (even if the one i seen wasnt the legit one...) haha. Thanks 4 da info btw.

[Dirge]

I always did have one question, and rewatching Revelations Of Gold, repiked my curiosity. The bounty hunters, were they from sentai footage or US-produced, as I don't remember seeing them in any other Saban shows, or later episodes even.

[Mugenhunt]

The bounty hunters were a combination of US and Sentai footage.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Borax was an Ohranger monster. The various Varox bounty hunters were refits and modifications to that same basic costume. So was Electrotramp from Shell Shocked.

[Dirge]

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Kind of bugged me for a little bit.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I think it's just neat that they turned a single monster into an ENTIRE SPECIES! That's clever use of chimera suits.

[Dirge]

Saban's shows were always a neat thing to watch for that though. Their different usage of suits, whether being mass armies, or mishmashes of different costumes was one of the reasons I could enjoy the different shows.

[Speedbreaker]

They did the same thing with the Hydro-Contaminator(s). And even managed to tie it back into Aquitar, showing that the Aquitian Rangers had new ESA enemies paralleling the Machine Empire, and weren't just sitting around twiddling their thumbs after finally destroying Hydro Hog (though if the comics are any indication, he may have in fact survived).

[Hellion01]

I believe this was asked and probably missed so ill ask again:

What are the wheareabouts of Gasket and Archerina?

[Mugenhunt]

After Zeo? No one knows. They never appeared again.

Personally, I think that Venjix and his cronies killed them.

[Speedbreaker]

The REAL question is, where is King Aradon?

[Thrax]

The REAL question is, where is King Aradon?

King Aradon as Archerina father and mortal enemy of King Mondo

[ForeverBlue]

The REAL question is, where is King Aradon?

We have never seen King Aradon in Zeo.

As for Gasket and Archerina...we have not seen both of them again since they last appeared in Zeo. So we don't know what happened to them. They might have went back to wherever the Machine Empire originally comes from in the galaxy.

[mnikolic]

Since they have not appeared since their last apereance in Zeo, we can just assume that the Z Wave finished them off as well, off-screen, of course.