The Ninja Power Coins connected with the Rangers' life force

[MichalkaManiac]

Okay, I once read the Wiki article on MMPR stating that Kimberly was being weakened, 'cause (Evil) Kat simply stole the Pink Crane coin, and stating that the coins were directed to the life force of the Ninja Rangers, I've figured, since we never see one person without his/her respective power coin in seasons 1 and 2, do you think it would have been possible, if the original dino coins (outside of the green dragon coin perhaps) were in evil hands, would've made the Rangers weak as well?

[Super Jeff]

I am guessing with out willing to give up the coin or transfering, then yes I can see that. Remember back in season 1 where the rangers gave up their coins to save their parents. they weren't affected. I think it's becuase they were willing to give them up or transfer them to goldar, is why they weren't drained.

[Speedbreaker]

since we never see one person without his/her respective power coin in seasons 1 and 2, do you think it would have been possible, if the original dino coins (outside of the green dragon coin perhaps) were in evil hands, would've made the Rangers weak as well?
Except we did, when the Rangers surrendered the Power Coins to Goldar in Return of An Old Friend. It didn't have any adverse effect on them. And in Changing of the Zords, Zordon's dialogue clearly indicates that this is a new feature... "when Ninjor recharged your Power Coins, he linked them to your natural human energies." Of course, we know that the Ninja Coins were separate from the Dino Coins, whereas Zordon did not, but either way, this was clearly not the case prior to Ninja Quest.

You can't prove they weren't, as long as you're willing to accept technicalities like Super Jeff's "Well, they gave them up WILLINGLY" argument, but you can't prove a negative. It's "Chad is a werewolf" syndrome. The burden of proof is on YOU to find an instance wherein the Dino Coins are shown to have gossamer ties to their wielder's life froce.

[GokaiPink]

Probably so. Cause if think about it, if the coins didn't attach themselves to their life force how else would the rangers be apart of the zords. I mean the rangers seem to have a bond with their zords. So yes it would probably be that way with the rest of the coins.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The Rangers do NOT have a bond to the Dinozords any greater than being connected to them by their Power Crystals. They are not "part of" the Dinozords. Ninjor flat out states that the connection between the Rangers and their new powers is different.

[RedJou]

Specifically?

I'm kinda curious on this.

[Digifiend]

The Rangers do NOT have a bond to the Dinozords any greater than being connected to them by their Power Crystals. They are not "part of" the Dinozords. Ninjor flat out states that the connection between the Rangers and their new powers is different.If they did have such a bond, then the Dinozords' destruction in the Mutiny would've destroyed their powers, and they'd have needed new suits (Dairanger) not just new zords.

[Phoenix Fire]

Crayfish is right on this one. Sorry guys. Ninjor did state that the connection the Rangers had to their power coins for their Ninja Powers is different because in his words "they now carry the power of ninja deep within their souls." Alpha had to sever Kimberly's connection to her coin in order to save her life.

As far as their Dino powers and coins, this is completely not the case. If it had been, don't ya think Tommy would of been destroyed when his Green Ranger powers were?

[mmpr grove]

Yet they needed a sword to give up the dino coins to Aisha, Adam and Rocky.

[Digifiend]

Weren't those powers cloned? Rocky and Jason, Adam and Zack, and Aisha and Trini were morphed at the same time! It's also one of the theories for Jason's Forever Red morph being possible.

[Mugenhunt]

It was the Power Transfer, not the Power Duplication. If Jason, Trini and Zack still had working Power Coins then Zordon would have asked for them back after Rito destroyed the Thunderzords.

It's possible that the Dino Coins did imprint on the Rangers but not as strongly as the Ninja Coins would.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The Ninja Coins did create a LASTING connection between those totem animals and the Power Rangers. Adam and Tommy's connections to their respective animals endured through the Zeo Quest, and in Tommy's case through the arrowhead saga. The Aquitian Rangers no longer needed to use their Power Coins for anything other than summoning and establishing control over the Battle Borgs. They just crossed their arms and MORPHED. It seems that this is how the gossamer thread connection works for spiritually attuned Rangers. Eventually it's just a willed transformation.

The MMPR use keytools to transform and always have. Ninjor knew they didn't have time for that, given the circumstances by which Earth was imperiled and how they'd been trained to use the Dino Coins. They aren't spiritually linked because they're BODILY linked. The Sword of Light disconnects the powers. Apparently the only necessity to transfer a Ninja Coin is WILLING IT to the next host. Taking it away without the host's consent cuts off their connection to it, but not its connection to them. Both must happen or the host could be withered down to nothing.

[Cyborg]

Weren't those powers cloned? Rocky and Jason, Adam and Zack, and Aisha and Trini were morphed at the same time! It's also one of the theories for Jason's Forever Red morph being possible.
The COINS were duplicated, not the POWERS themselves.
We've seen new coins made and linked to (what's left) of the Power Grid taps with Ninjor making the Ninja Coins.
Having the Sword of Light take 3 old coins off the Grid, keep the taps stable, clone the PHYSICAL items (the coins themselves) then connect the 3 new coins to the Grid isn't all that far-fetched an idea.

After the SoL disconnected JZT to connect RAA, JZT were left with coins that had enough charge to keep them morphed for a short while before becoming inert lumps of metal once the last dregs of power was used up. We saw a similar deal with Tommy as Green Ranger.

[Speedbreaker]

Or, the Ranger suit template contains the Power-Coin-inside-belt-buckle aspect even if the Coin isn't actually in the user's possession. When Billy and clone!Billy morphed simultaneously by touching the same Power Morpher, they both had belt buckles with Triceratops Coins in them. And I don't have a copy high-quality enough to check, but I bet if you freeze-framed A Different Shade of Pink Part 1 and looked closely at the Pink Ranger's belt buckle, you'd see a Crane Coin there, even though it was in Rita's possession at the time.

[Digifiend]

I wonder if you'd actually see the Pterodactyl coin there - were the Ninja coins ever actually used on the suits? Remember that the white ranger shield still had the tiger emblem instead of the falcon design, unlike in the movie which did change it.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Which further proves that until ejected and the original coin rematerializes, the suit template coins are MEANINGLESS.

[Mugenhunt]

So the coins morph?

[mnikolic]

Jason, Trini and Zack, Rocky, Adam and Aisha were all morphed at the same time, because Austin St. John, Walter Jones and Thuy Trang had already left the show before the power transfer episodes were even filmed. They are mostly silent trough the entire episode, as in some episodes, prior to the power transfer episode. They were being voiced by other actors and that's why Jason, Trini and Zack couldn't demorph. Their actors WEREN'T THERE, but the characters were.

However, the Forever Red theory still stands. Rocky, Adam and Aisha were first REPLACEMENT POWER RANGERS, which means they had their own Dino Coins when the Red, Yelllow and Black Ranger Powers were transferred to them, levaing Jason, Trini and Zack powerless. However, in Ninja Quest, when the Dino Coins got trashed, the Red, Yellow and Black Ranger energies went back to their original sources - Jason's, Trini's and Zack's Dino Coins.

Yeah, I would LOVE to see that to be true, but there was an episode, called "Always a Chance". Adam used his damaged Dino Coin to morph into the black ranger one last time. Now if energy would go back to Zack's Power coin, then Adam's coin wouldn't have any energy left and Adam wouldn't have been able to morph. That means the morphed 3 original rangers after the S2's power transfer was just actors missing.

[mustang3173]

Probably a dumb question, but why didn't the rangers die when Zedd destroyed the Ninja coins?

[Mugenhunt]

... that's not a dumb question at all. I'm guessing it's because they weren't able to use them due to the spell, but then Billy not keeling over doesn't fit either. Huh. The Alien Rangers run on similar coins, perhaps they were using their powers to save Billy like the Rangers did to Kim when her coin was stolen.

[Digifiend]

Because their bodies had been reversed to a point before they got the coins, severing the connection (Billy had restored himself, so he should still have been affected). The animal spirits were still bonded to them, but the coins were not.

EDIT: Never mind. Mugenhunt beat me to it and said pretty much the same thing.

[Bighead]

Well, he restored himself, but I don't think he could restore the connection(s) without Ninjor. This could explain why he didn't use his Ninja Ranger mode to try and stop Goldar (or, yunno, he was caught completely by surprise).

[Cyborg]

Jason, Trini and Zack, Rocky, Adam and Aisha were all morphed at the same time, because Austin St. John, Walter Jones and Thuy Trang had already left the show before the power transfer episodes were even filmed. They are mostly silent trough the entire episode, as in some episodes, prior to the power transfer episode. They were being voiced by other actors and that's why Jason, Trini and Zack couldn't demorph. Their actors WEREN'T THERE, but the characters were.

However, the Forever Red theory still stands. Rocky, Adam and Aisha were first REPLACEMENT POWER RANGERS, which means they had their own Dino Coins when the Red, Yelllow and Black Ranger Powers were transferred to them, levaing Jason, Trini and Zack powerless. However, in Ninja Quest, when the Dino Coins got trashed, the Red, Yellow and Black Ranger energies went back to their original sources - Jason's, Trini's and Zack's Dino Coins.

Yeah, I would LOVE to see that to be true, but there was an episode, called "Always a Chance". Adam used his damaged Dino Coin to morph into the black ranger one last time. Now if energy would go back to Zack's Power coin, then Adam's coin wouldn't have any energy left and Adam wouldn't have been able to morph. That means the morphed 3 original rangers after the S2's power transfer was just actors missing.
The Sword of Light completely SEVERED the connections of the Power Coins of Jason Zack & Trini, after which it held the Grid taps stable whilst it made 3 new coins and connected the Grid taps to these coins which were given to rocky Adam & Aisha.

Jason Zack & Trini were kept morphed for a short period after being disconnected due to the small emergency reserve of power (one of the redundancies of the Power Morphers) which was completely drained after they were teleported out and demorphed leaving them with inert lumps of metal with fancy designs.
Tommy was left with a similar inert lump of metal that ~WAS~ (note: PAST tense) the Dragon Coin when the Green Ranger powers were finally destroyed (Clone Tommy was given a replica coin by the Wizard of Deception, not the original).

When the Thunderzords wiped out the 6 ACTIVE coins, it not only thrashed the coins but the Grid connections and Command Centre as well.
Ninjor forged 6 new Ninja Coins, stabilised what was left of the old Grid taps and linked the coins to both the Grid taps ~AND~ the Rangers, something he couldn't exactly have done as quickly and easily if the Red Black & Yellow taps automatically reconnected to the Power Coins of Jason Zack & Trini.

So it must have taken something like either Billy smegging about with the grid from Aquitar to re-link Jason to the MMPR Red powers with a inert coin, or Sentinal Knight-wannabe doing the job for him. (remember: SK fixed and reconnected Adam's busted Mastodon Coin from Always A Chance for Once A Ranger, along with recharging Kira's Dino Gem, Tori's Wind Morpher & Xander's Mystic Morpher. Bridge brought his SPD Morpher from the future, so there was no recharge needed there.)

[Mugenhunt]

Look, Jason stole the Radbug, flew to the Desert of Despair and beat up Ninjor until he fixed the Tyrannosaurus coin. Problem solved.

(Why DOES Ninjor live in a Desert of Despair? Was it that the real estate values there were low?)

[Cyborg]

Hey, I said "something ~LIKE~" as Billy over on Aquitar working on the old Power Coins is just as likely as a SK-type character or Ninjor repairing or reconnecting old Power Coins.
I don't really give a damn as to WHO fixed it in time for FR, just that it WAS fixed in time for FR after it was taken offline about 8 or 9 years earlier.

[Mugenhunt]

I was just kidding with the "Jason beat up Ninjor" theory, as hilarious as the mental image it brings about is. The fact that there are several people extant who had the power and skill to repair a damaged morpher between Turbo and Forever Red means that Jason had many possible ways to get his powers back. Billy, Alpha, Ninjor, Lightspeed Rescue, Animus...

(Okay, maybe not that last one...)

[Speedbreaker]

Replace "beat up Ninjor" with "beat up Osamu Tezuka" (no, not THAT one), and you're pretty much correct as far as Word of God goes.

[Digifiend]

(remember: SK fixed and reconnected Adam's busted Mastodon Coin from Always A Chance for Once A Ranger, along with recharging Kira's Dino Gem, Tori's Wind Morpher & Xander's Mystic Morpher. Bridge brought his SPD Morpher from the future, so there was no recharge needed there.)Xander didn't need recharging either. While the Mystic Force powers had been destroyed twice during the season, including once in the finale, they got them back and didn't lose them again.

[Cyborg]

Xander didn't need recharging either. While the Mystic Force powers had been destroyed twice during the season, including once in the finale, they got them back and didn't lose them again.
Keep in mind I skipped MystNick Farce and most of Overdrive for Magiranger & Boukenger.
I haven't really been arsed (bothered) enough to properly watch MF or OO.

[mustang3173]

... that's not a dumb question at all. I'm guessing it's because they weren't able to use them due to the spell, but then Billy not keeling over doesn't fit either. Huh. The Alien Rangers run on similar coins, perhaps they were using their powers to save Billy like the Rangers did to Kim when her coin was stolen.


Because their bodies had been reversed to a point before they got the coins, severing the connection (Billy had restored himself, so he should still have been affected). The animal spirits were still bonded to them, but the coins were not.

EDIT: Never mind. Mugenhunt beat me to it and said pretty much the same thing.

OK that kinda makes sense, thanks to both of you.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Probably a dumb question, but why didn't the rangers die when Zedd destroyed the Ninja coins?

Easy solution there, if we're willing to accept it is truly as easy as "willing" the Coin to the next person (as it appears via Kim to Kat). Billy needed the kids to will the Ninja Coins over to him so he could use them in proto-Slotsky. He then willed himself from the Wolf Coin just in case it didn't work either.

My main issue with that solution is that Tommy and Adam's connections to their totems survived the Ninja Coins being destroyed, which would imply that they were never willed away. If they were and the connections held, would that mean Kimberly's did as well? That the Ninja Coins establish a link which TRANSCENDS still possessing it? Because, god, if that's true... You could keep passing the damn thing around and spend years training each person who held it for just a few days or weeks to access their own innate Pink Ranger powers.

[Alpha 5]

Easy solution there, if we're willing to accept it is truly as easy as "willing" the Coin to the next person (as it appears via Kim to Kat). Billy needed the kids to will the Ninja Coins over to him so he could use them in proto-Slotsky. He then willed himself from the Wolf Coin just in case it didn't work either.

My main issue with that solution is that Tommy and Adam's connections to their totems survived the Ninja Coins being destroyed, which would imply that they were never willed away. If they were and the connections held, would that mean Kimberly's did as well? That the Ninja Coins establish a link which TRANSCENDS still possessing it? Because, god, if that's true... You could keep passing the damn thing around and spend years training each person who held it for just a few days or weeks to access their own innate Pink Ranger powers.

Thus Leading to forever pink...dun dun dunnnnn

[SirStack]

The animal spirits were still bonded to them, but the coins were not.

Which is the important part that differs "Rangers Back in Time" from "Rangers in Reverse": they kept their memories in the latter because of their Ninja spirit connections, yet couldn't morph because of the change in physiology. I think the fact the Ninja Coins still exist, just in dust form, instead of being actively held captive by Rita & Zedd, is what kept them from being harmed. Or Billy disconnected the Ranger Kids from their coin reliance before using Slotsky (if his device malfunctioned badly it may've destroyed the coins anyway).


Replace "beat up Ninjor" with "beat up Osamu Tezuka" (no, not THAT one), and you're pretty much correct as far as Word of God goes.

They should do a spin-off "Jason: Itchin' for a Fight" where he goes around beating up people more powerful than him, ala Rulk.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

But if Jason is Rulkster, who's Super Skulk?

[Alpha 5]

Which is the important part that differs "Rangers Back in Time" from "Rangers in Reverse": they kept their memories in the latter because of their Ninja spirit connections, yet couldn't morph because of the change in physiology. I think the fact the Ninja Coins still exist, just in dust form, instead of being actively held captive by Rita & Zedd, is what kept them from being harmed. Or Billy disconnected the Ranger Kids from their coin reliance before using Slotsky (if his device malfunctioned badly it may've destroyed the coins anyway).



They should do a spin-off "Jason: Itchin' for a Fight" where he goes around beating up people more powerful than him, ala Rulk.

Have you ever thought a side effect of Ninjor in a time of need linking the rangers powers to there own human energy (or maybe thats the new way ninjor does it...or does it when the coins are being made in his presence) eventualy the rangers would no longer need the coins...the power transfered into them...they just didn't know it was there, or just couldn't access it?

lol no neither have I

[SirStack]

But if Jason is Rulkster, who's Super Skulk?

You mean Iolaus to his Hercules in this "Legendary Journeys of Beat-downs"? I bet it'd be that kid who wanted to beat him up in that old PSA. They became pals afterwards, if you recall. Well, after all these years, he understands what that kid felt, and knows he was right: you really should hunt people down and beat them up for reasons they don't understand.

[DrBravo2]

If they were and the connections held, would that mean Kimberly's did as well? That the Ninja Coins establish a link which TRANSCENDS still possessing it? Because, god, if that's true... You could keep passing the damn thing around and spend years training each person who held it for just a few days or weeks to access their own innate Pink Ranger powers.
That doesn't really do you much good, though, because you can't have people accessing the same level and color of the grid in close proximity.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

You're not getting it, dude. Remember TTAFFBH's best twist on the monster of the day strategy? You send down a monster. The team nearly beats it to death. You pull it out and send down a fresh one. Repeat over and over until the heroes pass out. Try doing that with RANGERS. Keep swapping in fresh Pink Rangers for hours.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

you really should hunt people down and beat them up for reasons they don't understand.

You cannot imagine how much I adore this idea as Jason's actual moral imperative.

[Mugenhunt]

My main issue with that solution is that Tommy and Adam's connections to their totems survived the Ninja Coins being destroyed, which would imply that they were never willed away.

Not necessarily. They could retain a residual link to their totem spirit without it remaining powerful enough to do anything. In fact, we need that to be the case or else Adam would have gone Ninja Ranger mode in Always A Chance, or Tommy would have done so on several occasions in Dino Thunder. Likewise, there's evidence suggesting that Kat lacks a totem of her own and is merely accessing Kim's.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

This skews dangerously close to "they were innately born with the ninja animals," and that's where I draw the line. Unless you're arguing Kat using the Crane Coin was LITERALLY Kimberly allowing her to access Kim's own Grid tap rather than having the thing create one inside of Kat, which is disturbingly intriguing...

[Mugenhunt]

That's what I'm saying. Kat refers to it as "accessing the Ninja Power of the Pink Ranger" not "accessing my Ninja Spirit" or "using the Pink Ranger Power." The Crane is Kimberly's totem spirit, and by willing the coin to Kat, she created a sympathetic connection that allows Kat to utilize the totem spirit's tap.

Zordon was the one who told Kat she could use Ninja Ranger power. Not Ninjor. Ninjor would have given her a proper spirit of her own. Zordon just patched the local grid so that Kat could use Kim's totem spirit to become Pink Ninja Ranger.

[Alpha 5]

And that wouldn't be taxing to Kim, or have any negitive side effects?

[Cyborg]

Kim was already disconnected from the Pink Ninja Coin (mostly) and as that coin was forged based upon Kim's Ninja Animal, Kat was technically borrowing it when morphing thanks to Zordon's mucking about.

[Alpha 5]

isn't that like putting on someone eles' prostetic leg they wern't going to use anymore?

made for them..but you can use it to once it's taken off?

[Mugenhunt]

Yeah. I mean, the idea here is that Ninjor gave the teens their personal ninja spirits. It's not the White Ranger's Falcon, but Tommy's. Not Black Ranger's Frog, but Adam's. And thus the Crane has to be Kim's personal spirit. But we see Kat using it. The first time she uses Ninja Ranger Power, Kat mentions that Zordon was right, she COULD access the Ninja Power of the Pink Ranger.

That's a big thing to be unsure of.

The idea here is that Kim's personal spirit is the Crane, but that by gifting Kat with the Power Coin she gave her permission to channel the Crane. It belongs to Kim, but Kat is just borrowing it. The idea here is that Kim CAN'T get rid of her personal animal, it's unique to her, but she can let Kat call upon its powers.

The fact that Zordon had to reassure Kat that this was possible seems to suggest that he had to jury rig the link allowing her to do so. And that Ninjor wasn't involved, since he would have made it guaranteed to work rather than the iffy "Zordon was right!" that we ended up with.

(Also, Ninjor would have given Kat her own personal spirit animal, which of course would have to be the Cat. Then we'd need to bring in White Racer's mecha a year early...)

Of course, the real world reasoning for this is that any change of totem animals would mean new zords, which the source footage and toyline wouldn't allow for. And having established earlier in the season that the spirit animals are unique to each person's strengths and weaknesses, revealing that Kat is identical to Kim personality wise would have been a really bad idea. So while the show just sort of glossed over the question because there's no real easy way to handle the logistical idea that Kat needs a Ninja Animal to morph like everyone else, the conceit that she's using Kim's works to fill in the gaps.

Now, how does the idea that the Pink Ranger was weak solve the question of there only being five Shogunzords? Would a sixth have magically appeared if Kim's coin was in working order?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

No. No no no no no no. I REFUSE to accept those totems are innately theirs, and by SHEER COINCIDENCE they perfectly coincide with the totems of the Aquitian Rangers. Not just animals, but COLORS and animals? I'm sorry, there's coincidences and then there's nonsensery. The Dino Coins did NOT work on this principle, and introducing an element that huge (the Dinozords had spirits too! WHY does it work differently for this set?) would have MASSIVE consequences! This is not MMPR:TM. I refuse to accept that in defiance of all evidence, the ninja animals work the same way the Ninjetti animals do.

I'm fine with the idea that the CRANE COIN was crafted to Kim, and thus she had a connection to the crane spirit for life. And that, in turn, Kat had to use Kim's connection to morph herself. Hell, why not? Anything else... Why are we bending the show's mythology backwards to accommodate a film written by a man who openly admitted he didn't do much research on PR?

[TZMhero]

Yeah. I mean, the idea here is that Ninjor gave the teens their personal ninja spirits. It's not the White Ranger's Falcon, but Tommy's. Not Black Ranger's Frog, but Adam's. And thus the Crane has to be Kim's personal spirit. But we see Kat using it. The first time she uses Ninja Ranger Power, Kat mentions that Zordon was right, she COULD access the Ninja Power of the Pink Ranger.

That's a big thing to be unsure of.

The idea here is that Kim's personal spirit is the Crane, but that by gifting Kat with the Power Coin she gave her permission to channel the Crane. It belongs to Kim, but Kat is just borrowing it. The idea here is that Kim CAN'T get rid of her personal animal, it's unique to her, but she can let Kat call upon its powers.

The fact that Zordon had to reassure Kat that this was possible seems to suggest that he had to jury rig the link allowing her to do so. And that Ninjor wasn't involved, since he would have made it guaranteed to work rather than the iffy "Zordon was right!" that we ended up with.

(Also, Ninjor would have given Kat her own personal spirit animal, which of course would have to be the Cat. Then we'd need to bring in White Racer's mecha a year early...)

Of course, the real world reasoning for this is that any change of totem animals would mean new zords, which the source footage and toyline wouldn't allow for. And having established earlier in the season that the spirit animals are unique to each person's strengths and weaknesses, revealing that Kat is identical to Kim personality wise would have been a really bad idea. So while the show just sort of glossed over the question because there's no real easy way to handle the logistical idea that Kat needs a Ninja Animal to morph like everyone else, the conceit that she's using Kim's works to fill in the gaps.

Now, how does the idea that the Pink Ranger was weak solve the question of there only being five Shogunzords? Would a sixth have magically appeared if Kim's coin was in working order?


What confuses me is... how could Kat use Kim's animal if she herself would have something akin to the Cat, as you said... wouldn't that conflict with her own natural animal? Does an animal have to be bestowed upon you? Or Did Zordon just click Ctrl+C on Kim then Ctrl+V on Kat?

[RedJou]

Except Zordon hates Windows.

[TZMhero]

Except Zordon hates Windows.

Damn him and his Apple Loving.

[mnikolic]

Microsoft and Apple should definitely create an OS called Zordon's Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.

[Cyborg]

Actually, I always saw Zordon more as a Unix/Linux man, what with the way he fdisks about with all the Ranger's gear as if it's all one big experiment!

[Mugenhunt]

Why are we bending the show's mythology backwards to accommodate a film written by a man who openly admitted he didn't do much research on PR?

Because the show already started doing that by having the Frog and Falcon spirits act like personal totems and continue to exist after the Ninja coins were destroyed, whereas the Dino spirits didn't. You can't tell me that there wasn't creative bleed over from the movie's interpretation when Tommy has Falcon imagery associated with him on a spirit quest.

Yes, I get it. You really dislike the movie's approach to things due to how they remind you of the folks who worked on the film not caring for the show. But it did influence later episodes, and we can't ignore that Tommy and Adam are written as if they have Personal Spirit Animals unrelated to their powers.

The show's mythology already got bent backwards. We just have to bend and follow as well.


No. No no no no no no. I REFUSE to accept those totems are innately theirs, and by SHEER COINCIDENCE they perfectly coincide with the totems of the Aquitian Rangers. Not just animals, but COLORS and animals?

That's not too hard to swallow. There are only so many Ninja spirit animals, each with their own color given that they're connected to the Morphing Grid. It's like a color-coded zodiac, there's just a few options Ninjor had available. But he chose the ones that corresponded with each Ranger. That each Ranger had already been imprinted with a Grid color is what made them more receptive to their respective spirits.

However the spirits may have been chosen, they act like personal totems. They're tied to the Rangers' life force, the bond persists past the destruction of the coins, Ninjor claims that the Ninja Coins are an improvement, and thus we can't assume that they run on the same fashion that the Dino Coins did. Heck, RPM suggests that the Dino Spirits may not be as easily used due to their source creatures being extinct!

I'm not willing to suggest that Kim always had a Crane. But the Crane is HERS, and probably always will be given what we've seen with Adam and Tommy. Likewise, it's pretty clear that Ninjor didn't assign a spirit to Kat, so the idea that she's sympathetically connected to Kim's spirit works.

This does complicate matters regarding the Coin not being needed for Ninja Ranger mode, but perhaps the Coin just needs to EXIST. Huh.

In either case, I'm confident in saying that Kat is channeling Kim's Ninja Spirit rather than having a Ninja Spirit of her own.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I have no qualms saying they are totems for life, dude. You and I have talked about that before. I firmly believe with enough time and patience, the MMPR could actually use Ninja Ranger Mode EVEN NOW. They need the same training that the Aquitians have, which of course they never bothered with. I have an issue saying that the MMPR were born with the same innate spirit animals as the Aquitians by sheer coincidence.

I like how Ellen handled this, frankly. "You are a Blue. Depending on personality breakdown within that spectrum of Grid frequencies, you are allotted a particular totem animal. That's yours. Doesn't matter what frequency you use, that's yours. That, perhaps, Justin is a Triceratops Spirit -- but he never got to use that frequency. Or, inversely, Chad might be a Wolf Spirit (HA!). You can even use other frequencies depending on what powers you are given, but your SPIRIT has a Grid tap of a particular color." So yeah, hell, by sheer luck? Maybe the Morphing Grid spirit animals they were allotted by sheer chance do coincide for some. Maybe Adam and Tommy were ALWAYS frogs and falcons. I could accept that, actually. But to say Magic A is Magic B just because?

Because, hell dude, I'm not bending over backwards to accommodate MMPR:TM when JUNGLE FURY presents a very different sort of Grid totem. That IS canonical. That Whiger -- a WHITE TIGER -- and Casey, a RED TIGER, use the same totem spirit.

[Mugenhunt]

I'm currently fond of "Ninjor retroactively assigned them spirit animals" actually. The Morphing Grid straddles conventional space-time. It's plausible.

[Alpha 5]

I never understand when big words are used *Sigh* damn cognitive problems :-(

[Mugenhunt]

A rough summary:

Me: The Crane is Kim's personal spirit animal. Kat has to borrow it.

Crayfish: I don't like the idea that the Rangers were born with spirit animals, since the Alien Rangers have the exact same animals, and that's a big coincidence.

Me: Adam and Tommy still had their spirit animals after they lost their powers.

Crayfish: Yes, but that doesn't mean that they were born with those animal spirits. The spirits just had to be strong enough to survive the coins being destroyed.

Me: What if Ninjor went back in time and gave them to the Rangers from birth? He could do that. The Morphing Grid is weird.

[Quark]

Are you gonna start releasing RangerCrew cliffnotes?

[Alpha 5]

(To quark)..I hope so lol

"Me: What if Ninjor went back in time and gave them to the Rangers from birth? He could do that. The Morphing Grid is weird"

Thank you of course lol

now questions: wouldn't that mean ninjor wouldn't even of had to go back in time, since the morphing grid doesn't exist in our time and space....second thought, couldn't he of just linked the animal spirits to there own spirits..such as they didnt actualy have a spirit animal in the first place...it was something bestowed apon them at the time(assuming the rangers got there zords and powers based on there strengths and weeknesses...)but an ever lasting bond was created...

[AoBlue]

I think Katherine was the only Ranger to not have a ninja coin attached to her since they had to separate the link between Kim and the Pink/Crane Ninja Coin.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I just have difficulties accepting that you can use the Morphing Grid in this manner, not the least of which because overt time manipulation (beyond the usual stunts we've seen) would mean characters like Ninjor or even Zedd had MAD skills they were simply too stupid to use. I mean, this franchise is predicated on the notion that people need to behave stupidly to produce certain results, but c'mon. If Ninjor could manipulate the timeline in this manner, he could do hellacious power stunts. He does not.

I feel like time travel via the Morphing Grid is possible in the same way that it's possible via a Stargate. It's something it can do, but it wasn't really designed for that and attempting to use it as such can only lead to disastrous consequences. I'm much more comfortable saying Ninjor permanently connected them to their spirit animals RIGHT THEN AND THERE, which does not open disturbing and uncomfortable time travel connotations that overpower the Grid as a deus ex machina even more.

[DrBravo2]

Why does time travel need to be involved when Destiny is a sentient force in the PRU?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

We don't have proof the Morphing Grid itself is sentient, and thus the idea Ninjor could nudge or influence destiny via the Grid doesn't reassure me any?

(Derik is coming to define the Grid as a lobster trap for lifeforce, and the only way to access its contents is by jamming the conduit up with so much power that it holds the connection open enough you can extract even more power FROM it -- I think there is something to this metaphor)

[Mugenhunt]

It's not sentient?

Huh. Who woulda thunk.

[November1989]

I know this topic is 2 years old but I have something to say.

In 'I'm dreaming of a white ranger' Kimberly was still the pink power ranger and in the uncut version Kat was saying hello to the teens(knew their identities) and was good. That means this takes place before the end scene of different shade of pink part 3. So Kim is was still the pink ranger for some unspecified time. So I guess that her connection with the crain coin was also restored. Maybe the power transfer was easy because Kim willingly' let Kat become the new pink ranger. So I support the theory of Mugenhunt.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

And now you're going to get this thread closed down because necroposting isn't allowed. Why didn't you just open a new thread and link to this one, precisely?