I have lost my faith in North America.

[NCBradin]

Yep, you heard me right. The moment that 4kids had cancelled Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight, I lost all my faith in this country, seems to me that big, fat companies like Disney, Fox, and 4kids, they don't care about Toku.

I was all excited about to do my scripts for the version of American Toku, now it has come to my good sense that it's not worth to do this here, but rather to do this in Japan more than ever now.

That confirmed my fear that American Toku is all dead. I'm still not happy that 4kids decided not to aired two final episodes there. What should I do about my scripts?

[Digifiend]

You're right, with PR and KR both cancelled, there's no new Ameritoku next year. :sad:

[Mr. Black]

I'm very angry about that, but at least we got MMPR re-airing, but it just won't be the same. I really enjoyed KRDK and RPM, but Disney and 4kids royally screwed the American toku audience.

[Super Jeff]

Isn't Kamen Rider supposed to have a movie coming out though?

[Mr. Yellow]

Toku, as long as MMPR is airing and Godzilla and other kaiju flicks are being shown, toku is alive in America. But, I get the gist of what you mean. We should try some ORIGINAL toku again. Mystic Knights wasn't so bad.

[Mr. Gold]

That and I can hear all of the Sentai and Toku snobs cheering and partying out loud. :mad:

[Hears All]

I dont get it. Didn't Dragon Knight have terrible ratings and toys? Why would 4Kids (or whoever does the show) keep the show going if they're losing money? Do you really expect them to keep a show going for a small fanbase of (probably) less than a thousand people?

They're a large company, they make money and give people jobs so they can feed their families. Not keep some whiney kids on a forum happy. I understand you like the show and are angry to see it go, but there is no point in making it seem like it was 4Kids fault

[Mr. Underachiever]

Aw, you brought this over here too?

[Mr. Underachiever]

I dont get it. Didn't Dragon Knight have terrible ratings and toys? Why would 4Kids (or whoever does the show) keep the show going if they're losing money? Do you really expect them to keep a show going for a small fanbase of (probably) less than a thousand people?

They're a large company, they make money and give people jobs so they can feed their families. Not keep some whiney kids on a forum happy. I understand you like the show and are angry to see it go, but there is no point in making it seem like it was 4Kids fault

You'd think people would understand this logic, but it seems to go right over their heads.

[NadisAten]

There's just a lot of dislike for 4Kids in general (at least, there's definitely a lot amongst anime fans given that their dubs tend to be some of the worst around), so trying to explain why their decision makes logical sense from a business perspective doesn't always go very far. It's just easier to say "The guys at 4Kids are a bunch of jerks" than to face the facts, and, as far as I know, everything Hears All said is correct so it's not much of a surprise that they're dropping it. It's a shame and I wish it wasn't the case, but that's the just the way things go sometimes.

[BlueSenturion]

I dont get it. Didn't Dragon Knight have terrible ratings and toys? Why would 4Kids (or whoever does the show) keep the show going if they're losing money? Do you really expect them to keep a show going for a small fanbase of (probably) less than a thousand people?

They're a large company, they make money and give people jobs so they can feed their families. Not keep some whiney kids on a forum happy. I understand you like the show and are angry to see it go, but there is no point in making it seem like it was 4Kids fault

This time I agree, I mean, in this world, money is what it is about. Hell, I'd rather have 10 shows canceled, rather than 10 people fired from their jobs so you guys could be happy... (Nothing personal)

[Digifiend]

Isn't Kamen Rider supposed to have a movie coming out though?You're thinking of Decade and Double.

[ForeverBlue]

Isn't Kamen Rider supposed to have a movie coming out though?

There was suppose to be one planned but apparently that plan has been canned.


You're thinking of Decade and Double.

Digi: Before Dragon Knight started, a movie was planned to happen after Dragon Knight ended but there isn't going to be one anyways as we never heard about it again since Dragon Knight started.


NCBradin: PR isn't cancelled for good...RPM is just the last one for now. It would be on a break for a few years.

[mmpr grove]

Yet, my email from Steve Wang says us fans have to wait and see what happens in January.

[Mr. Yellow]

Aw, you brought this over here too?

It doesn't end.

[Razor]

Kamen Rider could be back. Who knows? It took this long to go from "Saban's" version to this. Saban's was like 94...That's like what 15 years or something? There could very well be another Kamen in a few years.

[Super Jeff]

lets face it though, toku adaption just isn't as big as it was in the 90s. We hade PR, VR, Beetleborgs, and Masked Rider. Now it's just the final season of Power Rangers and a one shot season of Dragon knight.

[Digifiend]

And nothing new at all in 2010. Just MMPR reruns.

[Psychosilver]

I dont get it. Didn't Dragon Knight have terrible ratings and toys? Why would 4Kids (or whoever does the show) keep the show going if they're losing money? Do you really expect them to keep a show going for a small fanbase of (probably) less than a thousand people?

They're a large company, they make money and give people jobs so they can feed their families. Not keep some whiney kids on a forum happy. I understand you like the show and are angry to see it go, but there is no point in making it seem like it was 4Kids fault

I didn't know it was cancelled, huh. I was starting to like it too. And didn't the KRDK reruns get like twice as good of ratings then new RPM eps? Any, that's beside my point. Why cut it off at the last two episodes. THAT'S what I'm angry at! Show the last two darn eps! It's two eps! How much would you really loose! And with all the crappy shows they have on, why this? What the hell is a rollbot? Jeeze, I don't get it.

I know they're out to get money, but, two episodes? How petty is that?

[Digifiend]

I didn't know it was cancelled, huh.None of us did until yesterday...

[Hears All]

I didn't know it was cancelled, huh. I was starting to like it too. And didn't the KRDK reruns get like twice as good of ratings then new RPM eps? Any, that's beside my point. Why cut it off at the last two episodes. THAT'S what I'm angry at! Show the last two darn eps! It's two eps! How much would you really loose! And with all the crappy shows they have on, why this? What the hell is a rollbot? Jeeze, I don't get it.

I know they're out to get money, but, two episodes? How petty is that?

RPM had terrible ratings. If a show go double the ratings of RPM it would most likely still be considered a failure (I might have exaggerated, but you know what I mean)

Aside, did they really decide to not air the last 2 episodes? That is a huge kick in the nuts if they do

[LadyWingKnight]

I didn't know it was cancelled, huh. I was starting to like it too. And didn't the KRDK reruns get like twice as good of ratings then new RPM eps? Any, that's beside my point. Why cut it off at the last two episodes. THAT'S what I'm angry at! Show the last two darn eps! It's two eps! How much would you really loose! And with all the crappy shows they have on, why this? What the hell is a rollbot? Jeeze, I don't get it.

I know they're out to get money, but, two episodes? How petty is that?

I was about to start watching it on Youtube. What's the point if they're not gonna finish it out?

[Digifiend]

I know what you mean, I was planning on starting it when I finish RPM (KRDK hasn't aired here yet anyway, probably won't now). Is it possible to rip them from an online stream? If so, the Youtube uploaders will still be able to get them up. If not, we're screwed. Power Ranger Planet has the same problem.

[Psychosilver]

Maybe, depends on the site. I've done that a few times myself from certain sites. You just have to convert first. Nothing big, might be easier. . . . What sites are they going to come out on?

[Digifiend]

The 4Kids website, apparently.

[Psychosilver]

Lol, that might be a little harder then. We'll see, if I can do it, I'll be glad to help the internet establishments, since they've given us so much. . .

[Fang Arrow]

I was about to start watching it on Youtube. What's the point if they're not gonna finish it out?

Dragon Knight has aired all its episodes in South America. According to fans from there, the episodes also include english audio through the SAP option.

If 4kids or The CW don't bother releasing those episodes here, then our best bet is to wait for an uploader to encode the last two episodes in english.

[XavierSaintCloud]

Dragon Knight has aired all its episodes in South America. According to fans from there, the episodes also include English audio through the SAP option.


All 40 of the episodes have already aired in Brazil? Every single solitary one of them? I know they've all aired in Mexico, and that's not part of South America.

[mmpr grove]

It has not been canceled offically yet. They will be showing it on 4kids.com to promote their streaming videos. As some have said the site may be going threw a revamp in january. by making certain shows, new episode exclusive to the site, they'll boost visiter counts.

[Fang Arrow]

All 40 of the episodes have already aired in Brazil? Every single solitary one of them? I know they've all aired in Mexico, and that's not part of South America.

Oh yeah whoops.

The series is actually airing in Brazil right now, though I'm not sure what point they're at. Mexico definitely finished its run earlier this month, so we'll probably see those pop up soon.

There's actually a spanish station back in San Diego that also plays Dragon Knight every other day. Not sure what point they're at now, but I'll be sure to check it out during my break. There's that and the spanish dub of PPGZ that I'm curious to see how they were handled.

[finalbreak_flashend]

I am sorry to bring what some of you may call a snob attitude here, but is this not a good thing? As far as Power Rangers is concerned, it may be good to have a break (ya I realize there was a large break from Mystic Force..and so forth) but I mean a real break...a hiatus is needed. Some people on other forum sites may not like to call this a genre...but it is...and it does need a break. I agree with the statement...so long as Toho and other video distribution companies continue to sell merchandise like Ultraman and Godzilla here, Tokusatsu will never die out...it may become what it once was...a unique thing...much like how anime was a unique thing and not commercialized to the stupid mass audience that we call American General Public (and the American Censors/ PC groups as well)

Hey, who knows...maybe something like this will allow those at Toei and Bandai to loosen their belts so to speak, and start licensing their shows to be sold here...beyond the areas of dramas and documentaries. Heck, even make a real studio outlet...much like what the BBC has done with BBCamerica. Bandai, according to their Q3 financial reports were talking about streaming videos of their shows, does it pertain to us in the USA, I don't know...would they do that here...I don't see a reason for them not to do it, especially with news that both Power Rangers and Kamen Rider being cancelled...why would they not take steps to bolster their sales if they could? hmm?

I do agree KR Dragon Knight was a step in the right direction, but the show itself just did not have what it takes. You, the view/fan, must step outside of the box to really see the impact of a show such as that. Here is the major problem, the majority of the audience that watched that show was not us (the audience used to watching toku), no, for some reason it was marketed toward those who barely had a fuzzy idea of what Power Rangers, VR troopers, and/or what masked rider was...basically the wrong audience.

In my personal opinion I liked Ryuki much much better, but that is just me. I found the story of Kamen Rider Dragon Knight pretty weak. I will say it was nice seeing a semblance of KR being shown here in the USA but I think it was just more of the same of how Power Rangers was (is) and that is why the mass audience rejected it...it was along the lines of don't we already have something like this...it might have been better if they adopted Blade instead...similar concept with using cards and with less characters in the story it is easier for the viewers to follow. I believe Faiz and the rest are just way to complex to adapt...if you look at each of the stories conceptually, aside from technology and merchandise. But that is my spin on it. Sorry...that's what happens when we let something cool and special become capitalized by those who want to turn it into something corporate, eventually it will be destroyed...

[Jimmy Jones]

I believe that despite America having the whole "freedom of speech" swear under the red, white, and blue, censorship still plagues America's entertainment to this day. A film that is supposed to have a PG-13 rating has to cut down some things that will give it an R. Or an R-rated film must tone some stuff down in order to keep the rating which is why we receive unrated versions of those films on DVD and Blu-Ray.

In television, nowadays shows either have to get the scenes where someone says a "bad" word either bleeped or cut out completely. When movies are shown on tv, they cut out important scenes due to language reasons. While they're following the rules, people do tend to get confused at times hence the unfairness of the whole censoring issue. Let's face it, pretty much the ONLY way all these great Toku shows of Japan that have violence that some may consider excessive or blood is shown was for the American companies to take the original concepts and Americanize them into franchises. There was probably NO way an American kid would be able to grasp Japanese concepts very easily. The Japanese people are definitely more liberal when it comes to allowing the level of violence that attracts the adrenaline seeking fanbase and the pretty females that play with their rubber duckies in bubble baths which is usually the farthest they go with nudity on kid's shows. Aside from that, their culture is much more disciplined even since youth so if the Toku shows came out to America at that time in their original form on tv, they probably would've gotten called back due to dozens of angry letters from parents ranging from not understanding why somebody is dead on a children's show to males crossdressing. The list goes on and on.

My take on this whole thing is that while America does have it's perks, to this day it still retains some close mindedness that definitely makes kids have to wait till they're in their teens so they can watch shows like that and movies of extremeness or listen to artists that usually get panned for supposedly "inspiring kids to commit acts of violence". I don't have to write down examples since you know what i mean. When a kid snaps and shoots up a school, music is almost instantly used by the close minded people as the scapegoats. Sad but true.

[RedJou]

Japan isn't exactly a haven of liberality though.

They have more issues with feminism than the West, for one.

[Jimmy Jones]

I noticed that, too. Usually, the role of a Japanese woman is to be a housewife. Those who do make it up the corporate ladder and become executives are most probably sneered upon by their male colleagues. Women also have been the victims of sexuality at it's most perverse even in the old centuries. Poor families selling their daughters either to an okiya so they can become geisha or being sold to brothels and be forced to sell their bodies for the desperate man's pursuit of pleasure...

[mmpr grove]

I believe that despite America having the whole "freedom of speech" swear under the red, white, and blue, censorship still plagues America's entertainment to this day. A film that is supposed to have a PG-13 rating has to cut down some things that will give it an R. Or an R-rated film must tone some stuff down in order to keep the rating which is why we receive unrated versions of those films on DVD and Blu-Ray.

In television, nowadays shows either have to get the scenes where someone says a "bad" word either bleeped or cut out completely. When movies are shown on tv, they cut out important scenes due to language reasons. While they're following the rules, people do tend to get confused at times hence the unfairness of the whole censoring issue. Let's face it, pretty much the ONLY way all these great Toku shows of Japan that have violence that some may consider excessive or blood is shown was for the American companies to take the original concepts and Americanize them into franchises. There was probably NO way an American kid would be able to grasp Japanese concepts very easily. The Japanese people are definitely more liberal when it comes to allowing the level of violence that attracts the adrenaline seeking fanbase and the pretty females that play with their rubber duckies in bubble baths which is usually the farthest they go with nudity on kid's shows. Aside from that, their culture is much more disciplined even since youth so if the Toku shows came out to America at that time in their original form on tv, they probably would've gotten called back due to dozens of angry letters from parents ranging from not understanding why somebody is dead on a children's show to males crossdressing. The list goes on and on.

My take on this whole thing is that while America does have it's perks, to this day it still retains some close mindedness that definitely makes kids have to wait till they're in their teens so they can watch shows like that and movies of extremeness or listen to artists that usually get panned for supposedly "inspiring kids to commit acts of violence". I don't have to write down examples since you know what i mean. When a kid snaps and shoots up a school, music is almost instantly used by the close minded people as the scapegoats. Sad but true.

Using a thread to make personal jabs at my country? I don't go around making jabs at your country's parents do I?

Count this as my offical request for this thread to be closed!!!

[Mr. Gold]

Whoa, dude. Chill there. He's just stating his opinion.

[RedJou]

I noticed that, too. Usually, the role of a Japanese woman is to be a housewife. Those who do make it up the corporate ladder and become executives are most probably sneered upon by their male colleagues. Women also have been the victims of sexuality at it's most perverse even in the old centuries. Poor families selling their daughters either to an okiya so they can become geisha or being sold to brothels and be forced to sell their bodies for the desperate man's pursuit of pleasure...

Note who gets screwed in terms of mecha and powerups in Sentai.

And in KR series with female Riders, who get shafted again?

[Hellion01]

I dont get it. Didn't Dragon Knight have terrible ratings and toys? Why would 4Kids (or whoever does the show) keep the show going if they're losing money? Do you really expect them to keep a show going for a small fanbase of (probably) less than a thousand people?

They're a large company, they make money and give people jobs so they can feed their families. Not keep some whiney kids on a forum happy. I understand you like the show and are angry to see it go, but there is no point in making it seem like it was 4Kids fault

I get this completely but to just cut it off before the final episodes is a slap in the face. I think everyone here can agree to that.

[danadrianrico]

Yep, you heard me right. The moment that 4kids had cancelled Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight, I lost all my faith in this country, seems to me that big, fat companies like Disney, Fox, and 4kids, they don't care about Toku.

I was all excited about to do my scripts for the version of American Toku, now it has come to my good sense that it's not worth to do this here, but rather to do this in Japan more than ever now.

That confirmed my fear that American Toku is all dead. I'm still not happy that 4kids decided not to aired two final episodes there. What should I do about my scripts?

The problem is, Many of us are not kids. If kids dont respond well, then thats the demographic they worry most. I dont know any studio whom is making a family program that is marketed as such for all ages, and if there is one then you need to try and tell this to some syndicators (With Ion and now MyNetworkTV, this might be very good opportunity)

Like you dont see (and I referenced this show in another thread) Zaido or related shows over here. Could they work?? Yea I think so. Look at Ultraman or Godzilla. But there has to be a demand (or someone gets the idea)


Anyways, I could care less about watching a kids television block, if I can watch an adult program. For now, maybe you could try American series like Gi Joe or Transformers. They are examples of a more gritty, adult show with the Toku elements. Or, try to campaign a company to pick up an adult program. I think it will work with a nice big petition (with members of all mainstream otaku forums)

...course, this can only work when series like that are being made :p