The Dark Knight Rises Official Discussion Thread [Archive]

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 11:25 AM

http://movies.ign.com/articles/112/1127785p1.html

And Batman's next villain might be ... The Forger?

Deadline reports that English actor Tom Hardy, 33, has been cast in an unnamed "lead role" in Batman 3. Hardy previously worked with Bat-director Christopher Nolan in this summer's Inception.

"Insiders are keeping the role secret and won't even say if he's up for a villain role, but that seems a reasonable assumption," according to the site. Rumors swirled in August that Hardy was under consideration for the role of Riddler.
Hardy first came to audiences' notice as the villainous Praetor Shinzon in Star Trek: Nemesis before later gaining critical acclaim for his prison drama Bronson. He also starred opposite Daniel Craig in Layer Cake, and has appeared in RocknRolla, Black Hawk Down and Band of Brothers.

Hardy will also play the title role in Warner Bros.' now-delayed Mad Max 4: Fury Road after making Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and This Means War with Reese Witherspoon and Chris Pine. He'll next appear onscreen in Warrior.

PS. If there already is a thread for The Dark Knight or it's sequel you can merge this one to it (I didn't see one)

Anza Power

10-13-2010, 11:52 AM

RyanRXP

10-13-2010, 12:56 PM

http://movies.ign.com/articles/112/1127785p1.html

Why is everyone so high on wanting the Riddler to be in the next movie? The Riddler is not that good of a villain and doesn't follow the direction of the previous two films. Plus I really don't know why they would need to use a villain that was already in a Batman movie that is still in the public perception?

They need to use a villain that hasn't been used in any of the previous Batman movies.

If they really want a good movie, they should use both Black Mask and Deathstroke. Both the first and second movie involved major gangs, and a villain controlling them. With the Joker now gone, there is once again no one controlling them and Black Mask would be the perfect villain to step into the picture. Deathstroke is one of the best assassins that they can use, and it wouldn't be hard to have Black Mask hire him to stop Batman. These two also allow the film to keep the sense of realism that they have been trying to build in the previous two films.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 02:08 PM

Hears All

10-13-2010, 02:17 PM

I was really hoping we got The Riddler, that would have been bada$s

I wouldn't mind Hush (which would make a lot of sense)

RyanRXP

10-13-2010, 02:30 PM

Well with the way TDK ended Two Face going on a murder streak and then Batman killing him it is perceived that Batman not only killed Harvey Dent but the people who Harvey killed. So Batman is a fugitive basically and then the Gotham Police department hire The Riddler to help them track down and find out who Batman really is.

That is not a good story, and can't run an entire movie. The Riddler can never be a main villain of a story, and it is also not in his character to be someone hired by the police to hunt down Batman. He wouldn't work with the police, he would feel that the police are not worthy of his talents. Plus it wouldn't fit into the story of the other 2 movies. The Riddler does not fit into the types of villains that they are looking for(they want realistic villains), and it ignores the elements of the past movies(Batman questioning himself and the crime lords).

Plus the Riddler just isn't a good villain. Not to mention how lazy it would be to go from the Joker to the Riddler. And that is really all that using the Riddler will be, lazy. It will set a bad precedent and be a bad start for a movie that already needs to be extremely good in order to not get all bad reviews(because of the popularity of the last 2 movies)

And the Riddler was in Batman Forever, which is still very strong in popular culture and is often shown on TV. It would automatically turn many people against the movie, hurting it before it even starts. Plus with all of the great villains that they can use, they are using the Riddler? That is waste of potential, and being just plain lazy.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 02:37 PM

galaxy_ben

10-13-2010, 02:42 PM

They need to use a villain that hasn't been used in any of the previous Batman movies.

i know what your saying but they use the same villains because their the best ones and make for the best films such as using the Joker and Two Face (the two best ever Batman villains and they made for the best ever film) and to be fair they used less common villains in Batman Begins.

I hope they use the Riddler (played by Micheale Emerson :) ) and Posion Ivy, those teo are awesome villains and i think would be brillent together. Although i think they will do Riddler and Catwoman.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 02:45 PM

i know what your saying but they use the same villains because their the best ones and make for the best films such as using the Joker and Two Face (the two best ever Batman villains and they made for the best ever film) and to be fair they used less common villains in Batman Begins.

I hope they use the Riddler (played by Micheale Emerson :) ) and Posion Ivy, those teo are awesome villains and i think would be brillent together. Although i think they will do Riddler and Catwoman.

I think they'll go a one man show villain wise Nolan has basically said this is his last Batman Film and Catwoman is difficult to do in one movie.

galaxy_ben

10-13-2010, 02:47 PM

I think they'll go a one man show villain wise Nolan has basically said this is his last Batman Film and Catwoman is difficult to do in one movie.

ok, shame they havent used a female villain this series but to be honest iam not the biggest fan of catwoman anyway and shes really overrated.

FieryRed

10-13-2010, 02:49 PM

Why is everyone so high on wanting the Riddler to be in the next movie? The Riddler is not that good of a villain and doesn't follow the direction of the previous two films. Plus I really don't know why they would need to use a villain that was already in a Batman movie that is still in the public perception?

They need to use a villain that hasn't been used in any of the previous Batman movies.

If they really want a good movie, they should use both Black Mask and Deathstroke. Both the first and second movie involved major gangs, and a villain controlling them. With the Joker now gone, there is once again no one controlling them and Black Mask would be the perfect villain to step into the picture. Deathstroke is one of the best assassins that they can use, and it wouldn't be hard to have Black Mask hire him to stop Batman. These two also allow the film to keep the sense of realism that they have been trying to build in the previous two films.

The Riddler is imo not the best Batman villain available for the second sequel, but if Riddler is used it will showcase more of Batman's detective skills, which were rather lacking in the first two Nolan-directed Batman films. But if I can pick the villain for part 3, I'll choose Catwoman (as Wayne's love interest/enemy) and Riddler. Adding Catwoman will make the movie alot more interesting than just solving riddles for Batman imo.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 02:50 PM

Well Compared to the other Batman movies Nolan's is really dark themed. I hope it's a good continuation if it's one thing DC movies can learn from Marvel it's how to continue a movie and not just make a sequel

galaxy_ben

10-13-2010, 02:52 PM

The Riddler is imo not the best Batman villain available for the second sequel, but if Riddler is used it will showcase more of Batman's detective skills, which were rather lacking in the first two Nolan-directed Batman films. But if I can pick the villain for part 3, I'll choose Catwoman (as Wayne's love interest/enemy) and Riddler. Adding Catwoman will make the movie alot more interesting than just solving riddles for Batman imo.

exactly what i thought, they need the Riddler to show that important side of Batman and a female Villain for that side (although i would prefer Posion Ivy rather than Catwoman), and i think together that would make a really good film and totally different from the first 2.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 02:56 PM

See I don't know if we need to see his love side anymore but his detective side yes....The first 2 have been Bruce kicking everyone's a**

RyanRXP

10-13-2010, 03:05 PM

Well it really depends on how The Riddler would be portrayed in Chris Nolan's Gotham. The Joker was in Batman with Michael Keaton and directed by Tim Burton and we saw what Heath Ledger did with that role he took it and made it his own and won an oscar for it. Also I don't see it as a good story to basically say Harvey Dent went crazy and killed people and Batman did what he had to....Now lets get the focus on the mafia's and drug lords. The Joker was always intended to be the Villain in the next movie but Heath Ledger passed. I see the movie being a continuation to TDK not a sequel like TDK was to Batman Begins.

How can the movie be a continuation if they can't bring back the Joker, and they killed off Two Face? They need a new villain, and that means making a sequel, and having a new story.

Plus they used the Joker because he is the Joker. We are not talking about a cheap non-dynamic villain, we are talking about the best comic book villain of all time. We are talking about the man who shot Barbra Gordon, and killed Jason Todd. We are talking about the most popular and well known villain in all of Batman, DC, and all of comics.

And the 1989 Batman movie was out of popular culture and almost never shown on TV before they used the Joker in Dark Knight.

And if you are talking about who would fit best into the movie, it is Black Mask. You once again have a power vacuum in the crime gangs, which needs to be filled. The public not liking Batman has no real impact at all on the story. Batman is not supposed to be a liked character, he uses fear. He would prefer to be a villain in the public eye because he needs to produce fear in the villains. Plus it would end all of the people trying to dress up like him and fighting crime in his name.

and Posion Ivy, those teo are awesome villains and i think would be brillent together. Although i think they will do Riddler and Catwoman.

Poison Ivy can't be used because they want to avoid using any super powers. Plus Ivy is hard to work into the story.

Catwoman will not be used because her character is too hard to use in a movie. Plus the public is still against using her in any movies(after her last movie). And her biggest asset is her past and relationship with Batman. She needs to be in more than 1 movie in order to be a great character.

These two villains will be forced to wait until the next movie series to be used.

The Riddler is imo not the best Batman villain available for the second sequel, but if Riddler is used it will showcase more of Batman's detective skills, which were rather lacking in the first two Nolan-directed Batman films.

The problem with that is the how the Riddler works. He isn't going to fit into the past few movies, plus it is not all that interesting. It would be him solving problems and the action will suffer for it.

And you can present a much greater challenge for Batman if you had a bigger threat. The Riddler is not a big threat, while a character like Deathstroke is smart enough to challenge Batman mentally, while still challenging him physically.

I think they'll go a one man show villain wise Nolan has basically said this is his last Batman Film and Catwoman is difficult to do in one movie.

I don't think that it will be a one man show. Both of the past 2 movies each had 2 villains in them(Falcone and Ra's al Ghul/Two Face and Joker).

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 03:13 PM

You aren't getting it if they think that Batman killed Dent and a bunch of Lawyers and cops he'd be wanted for MURDER not disliked. Which would need to be continued. also let's think of another movie where the main villain was killed and the movie had continuation.......Oh Yea IRON MAN!!!!!!

Razor

10-13-2010, 03:13 PM

I would actually love to see them do a female in the third film. We had a guy in the first 2, why not break that and use a female. As bad*** as they can make her too.

jedibloo

10-13-2010, 04:02 PM

I wonder if people continue to chase Batman and the villain is going to toy with them bc that would be interesting

Crimson Soul

10-13-2010, 04:10 PM

And the Riddler was in Batman Forever, which is still very strong in popular culture and is often shown on TV. It would automatically turn many people against the movie, hurting it before it even starts. Plus with all of the great villains that they can use, they are using the Riddler? That is waste of potential, and being just plain lazy.

Wait, what?

People hated Batman Forever. And the movie is over ten years old. If anything, viewers would rejoice over the fact we are getting a second shot at these villains (a darker approach at that). Why would it turn people away if the Riddler was used for this new franchise? Joker and Two-Face were brought in for TDK. Heck, Two-Face was in Batman Forever with the Riddler, and I didn't see anyone condemning The Dark Knight because we had "seen Two-Face before."

FieryRed

10-13-2010, 04:19 PM

Catwoman will not be used because her character is too hard to use in a movie. Plus the public is still against using her in any movies(after her last movie). And her biggest asset is her past and relationship with Batman. She needs to be in more than 1 movie in order to be a great character.

I disagree, because Catwoman was used in Batman Returns (her only appearance in those four Burton-Schmaucher Batman movies), and she was used very effectively. I think one movie is all it takes to establish a great relationship between Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle. Chris Nolan was also able to do well with Cobb and Mal's relationship in Inception imo.

The problem with that is the how the Riddler works. He isn't going to fit into the past few movies, plus it is not all that interesting. It would be him solving problems and the action will suffer for it.

And you can present a much greater challenge for Batman if you had a bigger threat. The Riddler is not a big threat, while a character like Deathstroke is smart enough to challenge Batman mentally, while still challenging him physically.

I think Riddler can be a threat, because like Joker he likes to plan his attacks, although the difference is that he's not as vicious and insane as Joker, and he likes to leave trails for Batman to find to show that he's always a step ahead of him. I think by himself the Riddler may not be very interesting, that's why I would use him inconjunction with Catwoman (who's fit in Nolan's universe since she does not possess any superpower abilities) to make Batman 3 work.

I don't think that it will be a one man show. Both of the past 2 movies each had 2 villains in them(Falcone and Ra's al Ghul/Two Face and Joker).

This I agree.

:shinred:

Super Jeff

10-13-2010, 06:00 PM

After all the development they gave Two-Face in Dark Knight, I was hoping he would come back.

Riddler has been a rumor since 2009, but it seems like it is becoming true as I keep on hearing how their could be casts for him.

I also heard a rumor that Tali (Ra's Al Goul's Daughter) could be in the movie. Which would be nice to tie the first one with the third one.

I was hoping maybe for M. Freeze, as much as I like Arnie's Role, I do beleive if Nolan could make him work in his movies. His back story is often a mad man trying to help his dying wife. But hey....thats just me....

RyanRXP

10-13-2010, 07:29 PM

Wait, what?

People hated Batman Forever. And the movie is over ten years old. If anything, viewers would rejoice over the fact we are getting a second shot at these villains (a darker approach at that). Why would it turn people away if the Riddler was used for this new franchise? Joker and Two-Face were brought in for TDK. Heck, Two-Face was in Batman Forever with the Riddler, and I didn't see anyone condemning The Dark Knight because we had "seen Two-Face before."

It is often on TV, and when I say strong, I mean that many people still know of it and it is still largely in the minds of people.

And I don't think that any viewers want to see a villain again(especially since most people only know him from that movie). Two Face got away with it because he is also one of the most popular comic book villain. Not to mention that he has one of the better stories and is a very multi-dimensional character(and adds other dimensions to Batman's character[due to him failing to protect Dent]). The Riddler is only known about for that one movie, and nothing else. He is a mediocre villain that hasn't done much of anything at all. In all forms of media, the Riddler is only used when they feel they would be overusing the Joker.

You aren't getting it if they think that Batman killed Dent and a bunch of Lawyers and cops he'd be wanted for MURDER not disliked. Which would need to be continued. also let's think of another movie where the main villain was killed and the movie had continuation.......Oh Yea IRON MAN!!!!!!

You are forgetting that Batman has dealt with the cops making him the #1 most wanted man in the city in the past. IT is not an important storyline and isn't a big deal. The cops can't touch him so it doesn't involve any real plot points.

And there is also the fact that when he was liked, he ran into nothing but problems because of it. This will stop all of the Batman impersonators, and prevent villains from knowing that he doesn't kill.

And let me think of a story where Batman is known(falsely) as a murderer and is constantly hunted by the cops, and most people are completely against him. That is right, it was Dark Knight Returns, the #1 Batman story of all time. And there he didn't even have Gordon, or any other friends in the police department, and the current commissioner will do anything to get Batman arrested and thrown in jail for murder and for being a vigilante.

The cops thinking Batman is a murderer and being their #1 most wanted is a common story and never is a problem. He works outside of the law, so there is no reason for him to be concerned over it.

I think Riddler can be a threat, because like Joker he likes to plan his attacks, although the difference is that he's not as vicious and insane as Joker, and he likes to leave trails for Batman to find to show that he's always a step ahead of him. I think by himself the Riddler may not be very interesting, that's why I would use him inconjunction with Catwoman (who's fit in Nolan's universe since she does not possess any superpower abilities) to make Batman 3 work.

He is not only not as vicious or as insane as the Joker, but he isn't even close to the Joker's level as a villain. The Riddler might be very smart(although maybe not as smart as the Joker), but he is a overly exaggerated narcissist. He always leaves a way to figure out his plan because he feels that no one else is smart enough to figure it out. He also develops patterns and can be figured out by Batman. The Joker has no pattern, no reasons for his actions, and leaves Batman with no way of figuring out his plans. Even when Batman can figure out his plans, the Joker is at least 3 steps ahead of Batman. He represents the opposite of Batman, but is just as smart and has nothing holding him back. He is a great character and worked in the last movie because of that, the only way Batman could stop him was to kill him, but he already knows that Batman won't.

The Riddler has only one trick, his Riddles, and once Batman figures out his pattern, the Riddler is the weakest of all of Batman's villains. The Riddler is not able to stay 3 or 4 steps ahead of Batman, and he can be easily taken care of without killing. He is so big of a downgrade from the Joker that it can't even be measured.You need big, dynamic villains who pose a large threat to Batman. You can't go from two of the most multi-dimensional villains in all of Batman to a one dimensional villain, who hasn't done anything.

The only reason why people even bring the Riddler up is because they have never read a Batman comic in their life, and have only seen the movies. There is no reason to listen to them and Batman Begins worked out so well because they didn't listen to these people. They didn't then, and they shouldn't now.

The reason why I think they should use Deathstroke and Black Mask is because they are not one dimensional villains, and they both present big threats to Batman. Before Batman can even get to Black Mask he has to go through a ton of obstacles, and Black Mask would be able to get out of jail without much effort(with his money and resources). As for Deathstroke, he can use guns, knives, swords, or just hand to hand in order to fight Batman(and he is just as good at fighting as Batman). Plus he is an extremely intelligent villain who can plan multiple steps ahead of his target. He is able to take on super powered heroes like they were nothing. Plus you can set up a great movie(with a ton of great action scenes) that actually fits into the established story without any issues. And, most importantly, they are strong enough characters to maybe even raise the level of story(and that is something that very few of the other villains can do[and it would be impossible to raise the level of story with the Riddler])

Quark

10-13-2010, 07:37 PM

Do you suggest we listen to you? You don't think Batman Begins is a reboot.

Hears All

10-13-2010, 07:58 PM

Do you suggest we listen to you? You don't think Batman Begins is a reboot.

This is a win.

RyanRXP

10-13-2010, 08:04 PM

Do you suggest we listen to you? You don't think Batman Begins is a reboot.

Considering that you think that Batman is a campy, silly, non-dark character(despite the near 60 years of history that states otherwise), and think that Brave and the Bold was the best Batman cartoon, and the best portrayal of the character, you are in no position to talk about Batman.

ForeverGreen

10-13-2010, 08:04 PM

Quark

10-13-2010, 09:29 PM

Considering that you think that Batman is a campy, silly, non-dark character(despite the near 60 years of history that states otherwise), and think that Brave and the Bold was the best Batman cartoon, and the best portrayal of the character, you are in no position to talk about Batman.

I think Batman has been and always will be open to interpretation and reinvention, it's part of why the character has survived so long. Batman can be a gritty crime detective and he can fight evil space aliens. Both are valid.

Your.... reasons(?) for why the Riddler wouldn't make a good villain for the next movie leave me wondering, if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?

Blazing Tiger

10-13-2010, 10:11 PM

Use Scarecrow. The man hasn't been used yet. Or to my knowing at least. It would be a new villain for them to use. But then again this is just my thought., Any villain can be good with the right actor portraying them,.

Mr. White

10-13-2010, 10:14 PM

Hears All

10-13-2010, 10:18 PM

Scarecrow was used in Batman Begins.

IIRC, he was also in the beginning of Dark Knight

TOMMYWALES87

10-14-2010, 05:49 AM

As long they keep it similer to the other films, like keep it realistic and not used super powers, mutants like Mr Freaze in batman and Robin. Im not bothered what villians they used as long as its a good story and If it is a mutant character like mr freaze its should be told almost like scarecrow in Begins, again a realistic approce to it.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 06:20 AM

IIRC, he was also in the beginning of Dark Knight

Yea Batman kicked his a** lol

Ryan brought up Deathstroke I won't lie i'm not super familiar with him but here's what's listed as his abilities

* Enhanced physical and mental attributes
* Regenerative healing factor
* Expert martial artist
* Skilled armed/unarmed combatant
* Master tactician and strategist
* Access to hi-tech equipment
* Skillful manipulation

those are 2 big unrealistic things if you ask me and Black Mask

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Bat636.jpg

Now he could be in it along side Riddler but anyone else think he looks close to the Red Skull the Villain in the upcoming Captain America film?

Ryan keeps mentioning the gangs and things I don't mind if they bring in a gang villain but i'd like to see a 2 villain movie again with Riddler and a gang oriented villain. Where Riddler wants to play games with Batman to show he's smarter, the Police force wants to bring him to justice with his help and the gangs want his help to as Heath Ledgers Joker put it so well "Kill the Batman"

Super Jeff

10-14-2010, 08:15 AM

My roomate was reading up on how that since most mob bosses have been taken down DK, that the Penguin will be a new mob boss. Except its only going to be the name and not any of his weird disfigurments.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 08:40 AM

Ryan brought up Deathstroke I won't lie i'm not super familiar with him but here's what's listed as his abilities

those are 2 big unrealistic things if you ask me and Black Mask

You probably don't know much about him because he is mainly a Teen Titans villain. But he is now starting to pick up more momentum in popularity. He was in MK vs DC, the main villain in the Teen Titans cartoon, and is now going to be in Smallville. He is a great character and has faced Batman in the past. If you want a challenge for Batman(not to mention various other members of the JLA), you can't get much better than him.

As for those two powers, they are not that unrealistic. They aren't anymore unrealistic than Scarecrow's fear gas, Two Face's story, or the Riddler's intelligence. His healing ability doesn't even play a huge part of his fights. He is not Wolverine, it takes a while for his injuries to heal, they only heal much faster than normal humans can heal.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 08:41 AM

The reason why I think they should use Deathstroke and Black Mask is because they are not one dimensional villains, and they both present big threats to Batman. Before Batman can even get to Black Mask he has to go through a ton of obstacles, and Black Mask would be able to get out of jail without much effort(with his money and resources). As for Deathstroke, he can use guns, knives, swords, or just hand to hand in order to fight Batman(and he is just as good at fighting as Batman). Plus he is an extremely intelligent villain who can plan multiple steps ahead of his target. He is able to take on super powered heroes like they were nothing. Plus you can set up a great movie(with a ton of great action scenes) that actually fits into the established story without any issues. And, most importantly, they are strong enough characters to maybe even raise the level of story(and that is something that very few of the other villains can do[and it would be impossible to raise the level of story with the Riddler])

The problem with Black Mask and Deathstroke is that, outside of comic fandom, not many people especially the casual moviegoers would know about these two villains. And on Batman's rogue gallery (which is arguably the best in comic universe, with Spidey & Supe close behind), neither of them are that particularly well-known. Heck, I'd pick Kane, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, and even Killer Croc ahead of them on that gallery. I know that when it comes to action, your argument is valid, but Chris Nolan isn't a director known for action scenes anyway. Nolan picked Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow on Batman Begins, and neither of them had any memorable action scenes with Batman (not even Ra's final showdown against Batman on the train in the climax). I don't think Nolan will pick Black Mask and Deathstroke just because he can get more explosions and dazzling martial arts scenes out of it.

On the other hand, I think Catwoman and Riddler fit in Nolan's grand scheme better. Catwoman can be like what Mal was to Cobb in Inception, being both a love interest and an antagonist to Batman at the same time. The Riddler may be like a lesser version of the Joker (whom Nolan initially were going to bring back in the second sequel before Heath Ledger's tragic death), and he can use some of the plots he was going to use with Joker on Riddler instead. I don't think either Catwoman or Riddler would've been able to carry the movie by him or herself, but together these two can be a real threat. They won't have the big guns or explosions that Black Mask and Deathstroke can bring, but I don't think Chris Nolan would mind it very much.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 08:53 AM

The problem with Black Mask and Deathstroke is that, outside of comic fandom, not many people especially the casual moviegoers would know about these two villains. And on Batman's rogue gallery (which is arguably the best in comic universe, with Spidey & Supe close behind), neither of them are that particularly well-known. Heck, I'd pick Kane, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, and even Killer Croc ahead of them on that gallery. I know that when it comes to action, your argument is valid, but Chris Nolan isn't a director known for action scenes anyway. Nolan picked Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow on Batman Begins, and neither of them had any memorable action scenes with Batman (not even Ra's final showdown against Batman on the train in the climax). I don't think Nolan will pick Black Mask and Deathstroke just because he can get more explosions and dazzling martial arts scenes out of it.

On the other hand, I think Catwoman and Riddler fit in Nolan's grand scheme better. Catwoman can be like what Mal was to Cobb in Inception, being both a love interest and an antagonist to Batman at the same time. The Riddler may be like a lesser version of the Joker (whom Nolan initially were going to bring back in the second sequel before Heath Ledger's tragic death), and he can use some of the plots he was going to use with Joker on Riddler instead. I don't think either Catwoman or Riddler would've been able to carry the movie by him or herself, but together these two can be a real threat. They won't have the big guns or explosions that Black Mask and Deathstroke can bring, but I don't think Chris Nolan would mind it very much.

1. There is not going to be any super powered villains, that cuts down a lot of the remaining big names(even though Killer Croc technically exists in that universe)

2. Catwoman is not going to be used because of the failure of her last movie.

3. The Riddler is not able to use any of the same plots as the Joker, there characters are too different. We are going from jokes to riddles, we are going from someone that Batman can't stop to someone who he can easily stop.

4. The fact that the villains are unknown will be a benefit to them. Batman Begins used to unknown villains, and that worked out very well. The reason is because they were good characters and they didn't have to worry about changing them too much, or having a bunch of fans mad out how they were portrayed.

5. They need to increase the scale of the movie, in all aspects. They are going to need more action, bigger villains, and bigger threats. They can't go from the two best Batman villains to two random ones who are weak.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 09:19 AM

1. There is not going to be any super powered villains, that cuts down a lot of the remaining big names(even though Killer Croc technically exists in that universe)

I don't think Chris Nolan will go for any super powered villains; that's just the way he is. He likes to ground the Batman films in realism, and that's why even Ra's Al Ghul's immortality wasn't mentioned at all. I don't expect Nolan to do a 180 in Batman 3 esp. since there is still other non-powered villains available on the rogue gallery.

2. Catwoman is not going to be used because of the failure of her last movie.

Two-Face was used in Batman Forever, and it didn't affect Nolan's decision to use him. I think everyone (including the general audience) remember Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman more than Halle Berry's.

3. The Riddler is not able to use any of the same plots as the Joker, there characters are too different. We are going from jokes to riddles, we are going from someone that Batman can't stop to someone who he can easily stop.

But Riddler is a character that is more to Chris Nolan's style, the director of such movies as Memento, The Prestige, and Insomnia. In Memento, the protagonist had to figure out the meanings of his tattoos. I don't see Riddler's lack of firepowers as a weakness, simply because we are dealing with a director who likes antagonists similar to Riddler more than Deathstroke. It would be different if the director were Michael Bay or McG.

4. The fact that the villains are unknown will be a benefit to them. Batman Begins used to unknown villains, and that worked out very well. The reason is because they were good characters and they didn't have to worry about changing them too much, or having a bunch of fans mad out how they were portrayed.

I think both Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul were more well-known than Black Mask and Deathstroke. Scarecrow has always featured somewhat prominently in Batman's rogue gallery, and featured in story arcs like Knightfall and Shadow of the Bat. His appearance as a deranged scarecrow is pretty unmistakeable and iconic. Ra's Al Ghul was introduced in BTS, but has gained alot of popularity since then, and like Harley Quinn he was made canon by Batman's comic books. I won't say that these two are particularly unknown.

5. They need to increase the scale of the movie, in all aspects. They are going to need more action, bigger villains, and bigger threats. They can't go from the two best Batman villains to two random ones who are weak.

Weak is a relative term, because when you think about it Two-Face isn't that powerful, and Nolan even dial him down quite a bit (Two-Face's biggest threat to Batman in TDK was his status as DA and relationship with Wayne and his gf Rachel). While one can argue that Nolan needs to turn up the action in Batman 3, I think Nolan can do it even without any super-powered villains. In TDK, neither Joker nor Two-Face had any superpowers either, but Nolan still can get a car-chase and a battle in the darken building out of that. Nolan films his two Batman movies like a crime drama, and I don't think he will suddenly change it into something else in the third and final act of the trilogy.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 09:28 AM

I think both Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul were more well-known than Black Mask and Deathstroke. Scarecrow has always featured somewhat prominently in Batman's rogue gallery, and featured in story arcs like Knightfall and Shadow of the Bat. His appearance as a deranged scarecrow is pretty unmistakeable and iconic. Ra's Al Ghul was introduced in BTS, but has gained alot of popularity since then, and like Harley Quinn he was made canon by Batman's comic books. I won't say that these two are particularly unknown.

Ra's Al Ghul is still unknown to most of the public. He is at the same level as Deathstroke.

As for Scarecrow, I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Falcone.

Quark

10-14-2010, 09:33 AM

The problem with Black Mask and Deathstroke is that, outside of comic fandom, not many people especially the casual moviegoers would know about these two villains.
Don't forget the many inside the comic fandom that find the characters boring!

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 09:38 AM

Ra's Al Ghul is still unknown to most of the public. He is at the same level as Deathstroke.

As for Scarecrow, I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Falcone.

Ra's Al Ghul was made famous during Batman: Animated Series run (which could be the best animated series based on a superhero). Many people who don't read comics have watched that series, and I think more casual fans know about Ra than Deathstroke.

As for Falcone, he was a pretty minor character in Batman Begins; I don't factor him into the equation.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 09:55 AM

Ra's Al Ghul was made famous during Batman: Animated Series run (which could be the best animated series based on a superhero). Many people who don't read comics have watched that series, and I think more casual fans know about Ra than Deathstroke.

As for Falcone, he was a pretty minor character in Batman Begins; I don't factor him into the equation.

1. I'd say that the Teen Titans cartoon did the same for Deathstroke as the Batman cartoon did for Ra's Al Ghul(except that Deathstroke wasn't called Deathstroke[they used his real name instead] and he play a much bigger part than Ra's Al Ghul)

2. Falcone was a large part of the main story line. He represented Batman becoming a real important figure.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 10:32 AM

1. I'd say that the Teen Titans cartoon did the same for Deathstroke as the Batman cartoon did for Ra's Al Ghul(except that Deathstroke wasn't called Deathstroke[they used his real name instead] and he play a much bigger part than Ra's Al Ghul)

I think the problem is that the Teen Titans cartoon is, while popular, doesn't have the same impact as Batman:TAS. And not using Deathstroke's real name does hurt his name recognition. Furthermore, Marvel's parody for Deathstroke, Deadpool, is now much more popular than his DC counterpart and will be getting a movie that will (likely) star Ryan Reynolds. I just get the feelings that Ra's Al Ghul is more well-known than Deathstroke, at least among non-comic reading crowd.

2. Falcone was a large part of the main story line. He represented Batman becoming a real important figure.

In terms of storyline, yes he was important before Wayne becomes Batman, but the movie was dominated by Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow. In fact, Nolan can probably change Falcone's name to a random mob boss and it won't affect the story at all.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 10:34 AM

Like i've said I think a mob guy and the riddler would go well together and we already saw what Nolan did to 2 face now lets see what he does with the riddler but being cartoonishly portrayed in a previous film

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 10:44 AM

I think the problem is that the Teen Titans cartoon is, while popular, doesn't have the same impact as Batman:TAS. And not using Deathstroke's real name does hurt his name recognition. Furthermore, Marvel's parody for Deathstroke, Deadpool, is now much more popular than his DC counterpart and will be getting a movie that will (likely) star Ryan Reynolds. I just get the feelings that Ra's Al Ghul is more well-known than Deathstroke, at least among non-comic reading crowd.

I don't think so. Ra's Al Ghul was barely in the cartoon, and most people still have no clue who he is. Most people have forgotten about him, and don't realize that he was around before Batman Begins.

Ra's AL Ghul is only really known to DC fans, the same goes for Deathstroke.

Like i've said I think a mob guy and the riddler would go well together and we already saw what Nolan did to 2 face now lets see what he does with the riddler but being cartoonishly portrayed in a previous film

I still don't think they should use him. Why don't they just make up some new villain that they can fit into any role that they want? It would just make everything easier for them(and I personally think that original villains are more interesting because you don't know them)

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 10:48 AM

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 10:55 AM

But you don't go to the movies to see Batman fight an Original Villain.....TDK did so well because people wanted to see the Joker now with it's sequel i'll be honest I don't care who the Villain is i'm gonna see it and I think that's what most people will say to. but I think if the Riddler is there he's established and more casual fans will be able to relate and know whats going on. For me I don't read comics much but I kinda keep up but not very well.

But I think at this point, they are not going to get any more people to watch it because of the villain. The Joker was a huge name, but most of the people went to watch it because of the success of Batman Begins and the movie reviews. They are guaranteed to get a ton of people to go see the next movie, so they have nothing to lose by making an original villain.

Super Jeff

10-14-2010, 11:02 AM

From what it sounds like, The riddler is heavily considered to being the villain in the third movie. All though, i dont think he should wear a mask.

Hears All

10-14-2010, 11:12 AM

Super Jeff

10-14-2010, 11:15 AM

Nahhh dude, I agree. But since we cant use any robin storylines, hush would be difficult.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 11:15 AM

But I think at this point, they are not going to get any more people to watch it because of the villain. The Joker was a huge name, but most of the people went to watch it because of the success of Batman Begins and the movie reviews. They are guaranteed to get a ton of people to go see the next movie, so they have nothing to lose by making an original villain.

Why should they make an original villain, when Batman's rogue gallery is what many considered to be the best among the superheroes? And what do they need that isn't there in the gallery already for them to feel compelled to make an all-new villain? Lastly, just because TDK was a success does not guarantee the quality of the third film in the trilogy, nor does it mean all the people who went to see TDK will check out Batman 3 regardless of its quality. There's a reason why the third movie in a series usually don't do well; see Spider-man 3, X-Men 3, Superman 3, The Godfather 3, Alien 3, etc.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 11:29 AM

Why should they make an original villain, when Batman's rogue gallery is what many considered to be the best among the superheroes? And what do they need that isn't there in the gallery already for them to feel compelled to make an all-new villain? Lastly, just because TDK was a success does not guarantee the quality of the third film in the trilogy, nor does it mean all the people who went to see TDK will check out Batman 3 regardless of its quality. There's a reason why the third movie in a series usually don't do well; see Spider-man 3, X-Men 3, Superman 3, The Godfather 3, Alien 3, etc.

The reason why the third movies don't do so well is because they have to live up to the first two movies. They already used up the two biggest villains, so why not use an original one? If they make a good character, they are able to raise the scale of the movie and end on a success. If they fail to make a good villain, they aren't going to lose much money at all. Plus they are going to have to make a lot of changes to the Riddler in oder to make him work, so why not just make an original character that better compliments the movie? I know that it would be a big risk, but it also might have a big reward.

And as for the biggest selection of villain, if you cut out super powers, and only use realistic villain(as they have stated many times that they are going to be doing), you cut the number of great villains down a whole lot.

Also, every single one of those movies that you named did very well at the box office(especially Spiderman 3, which made more money than Spiderman 2, and also more money than the first Spiderman movie). They all made more than twice the budget that they spent, so they are all considered successes(regardless of if people liked them or not)

Xalon Warxull

10-14-2010, 11:36 AM

I was wanted to see Hush (a.k.a. Dr. Thomas Elliot) be in a movie it can explain happen to The Joker at the end because you only hear his laughing & Hush can be the brother of the late Rachel Dawes.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 11:45 AM

Am I the only one who wants to see Hush? He may not be able to carry an entire movie, but if the can make him a primary villian and get a secondary (Like Joker and Two-Face in DK) to help out Batman 3 could be a great movie

His name has come up often by fans as well. I have never read Hush(it is next on my buy list), so I can't say how he would work.

An odd name that has been coming up(which would be very interesting) is Hugo Strange. I don't think he would work very, but it would be interesting if he ended up being the mastermind behind both movies.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 11:46 AM

The reason why the third movies don't do so well is because they have to live up to the first two movies. They already used up the two biggest villains, so why not use an original one? If they make a good character, they are able to raise the scale of the movie and end on a success. If they fail to make a good villain, they aren't going to lose much money at all. Plus they are going to have to make a lot of changes to the Riddler in oder to make him work, so why not just make an original character that better compliments the movie? I know that it would be a big risk, but it also might have a big reward.

And as for the biggest selection of villain, if you cut out super powers, and only use realistic villain(as they have stated many times that they are going to be doing), you cut the number of great villains down a whole lot.

Also, every single one of those movies that you named did very well at the box office(especially Spiderman 3, which made more money than Spiderman 2, and also more money than the first Spiderman movie). They all made more than twice the budget that they spent, so they are all considered successes(regardless of if people liked them or not)

There are still enough villains for Batman that don't have superpowers for Nolan to use. Since Batman doesn't have any superhuman abilities, his rogue gallery is actually dominated by mostly thieves, rogues, and criminal masterminds, with a few freaks inbetween. If we don't count the ones that have already used (Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul), we still have Catwoman, Riddler, Mad Hatter, Kane (who got his powers through a poison venom and easily explained), Harley Quinn, The Penquin, etc. And I'm not going to mention the lesser-known non-superpowered ones in his gallery. Basically, I don't see what Nolan needs that isn't already there, or a villain that he can use after a slight tickering with the origin (like what he did with Ra's Al Ghul who omitted all his associations with Lazarus Pits and his daughter Talia). Nolan does not need to use an original villain for a superhero who has a rogue gallery like Batman has.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 11:54 AM

There are still enough villains for Batman that don't have superpowers for Nolan to use. Since Batman doesn't have any superhuman abilities, his rogue gallery is actually dominated by mostly thieves, rogues, and criminal masterminds, with a few freaks inbetween. If we don't count the ones that have already used (Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul), we still have Catwoman, Riddler, Mad Hatter, Kane (who got his powers through a poison venom and easily explained), Harley Quinn, The Penquin, etc. And I'm not going to mention the lesser-known non-superpowered ones in his gallery. Basically, I don't see what Nolan needs that isn't already there, or a villain that he can use after a slight tickering with the origin (like what he did with Ra's Al Ghul who omitted all his associations with Lazarus Pits and his daughter Talia). Nolan does not need to use an original villain for a superhero who has a rogue gallery like Batman has.

I am aware of all of those(they could even bring in other DC villains that are not Batman specific, and add in some from Batman Beyond). I know that they can find a villain that would work out well enough. They could even bring back Ra's Al Ghul(this time adding Talia al Ghul with him).

I just think that an original villain would be fun to see. I doubt that they would ever even consider it, but it could work.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 12:06 PM

I am aware of all of those(they could even bring in other DC villains that are not Batman specific, and add in some from Batman Beyond). I know that they can find a villain that would work out well enough. They could even bring back Ra's Al Ghul(this time adding Talia al Ghul with him).

I just think that an original villain would be fun to see. I doubt that they would ever even consider it, but it could work.

I think Ra's Al Ghul is dead, same with Two-Face (who is confirmed by Goyer or Nolan). Joker is alive, but he might as well be dead after the death of Ledger (and Nolan said he won't recast). The thing with Nolan's Batman is that he doesn't make them like he was doing a superhero movie, but a crime film that happens to feature superhero. That's why both of his Batman movies feel differently than other movies of this genre. I think this is also why he'd rather oversee the Superman movie rather than direct it himself, and since Zack Snyder is directing Superman we can expect to see alot of explosions and slow-mo. Nolan will make Batman 3 the same way he did with the previous two movies, and I have no doubt the villain will be a character that we are familiar with from the comic books, but in a style that is consistent with Chris Nolan's ideology.

galaxy_ben

10-14-2010, 01:08 PM

Joker is alive, but he might as well be dead after the death of Ledger (and Nolan said he won't recast).

they kept him alive because he was also going to be in the next film.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 01:27 PM

they kept him alive because he was also going to be in the next film.

Yea iirc Chris Nolan said "Joker was gonna be the villain in the next he always was going to be"

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 01:28 PM

Also here's some words from Morgan Freeman

How can Batman 3 possibly top The Dark Knight? One of the deciding factors will surely be the choice of villain ... or should that be villains? Because as we all debate which bad guy director Christopher Nolan should choose, Morgan Freeman just hinted that Nolan may end up choosing more than one.

Freeman, who played Bruce Wayne's armorer and technical genius Lucius Fox in the previous films, has been talking up bringing back Catwoman, and when asked recently if Nolan was on board with that idea, he said:

"Well, yes and no. But I don't know if that's going to be his choice. There's been talk of the Riddler, talk of the Joker—I don't mean the Joker—the Penguin. Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin, and that sounds interesting to me. So we'll wait and see. And there just may be more than one."

Also a piece from moviefone
http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/10/14/which-batman-3-villain-should-tom-hardy-play/

Razor

10-14-2010, 01:33 PM

I don't know if Catwoman and the Penguin being back in ANOTHER movie (although seperate from the last series), outta be done. How bout Poison Ivy? With the work Nolan does/has done, I know he could make her really dark, as well as really sexy.

Who's with me? Poison Ivy, anyone?

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 01:35 PM

Well the realism factor comes in and Ivy is one of those out there ones plus I don't want to sound sexist but a love interest type female villain would sorta mess up the movie imo. I wanna see some mind games and a** kicking none of these chicks messing with Batman Rachel was fine because it wasn't over the top

Razor

10-14-2010, 01:46 PM

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 01:57 PM

I wouldn't want Ivy as a love interest. Maybe someone to go around killing people (while being sexy), perhaps some people Bruce knows. That would be cool. Perhaps she'd try to seduce Batman....and fail.

Knowing Nolan, he won't bring in a villain who has superhuman abilities. Ra's Al Ghul had immortality, and Nolan ignored it completely in BB, but he won't be able to with Poison Ivy. Therefore, it is far more likely that he will use other villains instead. And if Nolan wants a love interest for Batman who is also his antagonist, then Catwoman would be a far better choice by comparison.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 01:58 PM

Also here's some words from Morgan Freeman

Also a piece from moviefone
http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/10/14/which-batman-3-villain-should-tom-hardy-play/

This sounds like classic misinformation to me. I get the feeling that there will be a huge misinformation campaign for this next movie.

And didn't Nolan say a year ago that he would never use the Penguin in any of his movies?

As for Catwoman, I think we are still not ready for her again. Maybe for the next movie series. And I know that it is way too early for this but does anyone else hope that the next series does not start with year one? I would love to see Nightwing, or even the ability to do "A Death In The Family" and "Under The Hood".

Razor

10-14-2010, 01:58 PM

As much as I hate to bring her up, what about Harley Quinn? Movie 2 was the joker, perhaps she could be bad*** for once in Nolan's hands.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 01:59 PM

But still I don't want a 'Sexy' villain in Nolan's Batman. I think they could end it with Bruce being with somone at the very end but still every BAtman has had a chick even this one and it is just odd. Like Nicole Kidman that was just weird. THis just popped into my mind if we were to get a female villain i'd want Ra Al Ghul's Daughter or Harley Quinn which either one would keep a connection to the previous film. Though with the Death of the Heath I doubt Harley would make an appearance at all.

Side note....Wasn't the original ending for TDK that after the credits I'd show Joker in Arkham meeting Harley?

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 02:02 PM

This sounds like classic misinformation to me. I get the feeling that there will be a huge misinformation campaign for this next movie.

And didn't Nolan say a year ago that he would never use the Penguin in any of his movies?

As for Catwoman, I think we are still not ready for her again. Maybe for the next movie series. And I know that it is way too early for this but does anyone else hope that the next series does not start with year one? I would love to see Nightwing, or even the ability to do "A Death In The Family" and "Under The Hood".

Since Chris Nolan will leave the Batman franchise after the third movie in the trilogy, it is entirely possible that WB will bring in a director who would be opened to the idea of introducing Robin. I don't think we need yet another movie dealing with Batman's origin, so if they are doing a reboot I hope they would just jump right in as if they were making a James Bond movie instead. However, it is also possible that WB would go to an entirely different direction, like making Batman Beyond, so they won't have to follow a Batman movie in Nolan's footsteps.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 02:05 PM

Since Chris Nolan will leave the Batman franchise after the third movie in the trilogy, it is entirely possible that WB will bring in a director who would be opened to the idea of introducing Robin. I don't think we need yet another movie dealing with Batman's origin, so if they are doing a reboot I hope they would just jump right in as if they were making a James Bond movie instead. However, it is also possible that WB would go to an entirely different direction, like making Batman Beyond, so they won't have to follow a Batman movie in Nolan's footsteps.

Um Yeaaaaa this is Nolan's last and Bales last I doubt he'd do another without Nolan and the Next Batman movie after 3 will pretty much be NEED to be a reboot

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 02:15 PM

As much as I hate to bring her up, what about Harley Quinn? Movie 2 was the joker, perhaps she could be bad*** for once in Nolan's hands.

I think she is able to be a strong villain(she was able to almost kill Batman before the Joker threw her out a 5 story window), but without the origin story(which would require recasting the Joker), she can't fit into the movie.

But if you want a small reference to the Joker, how about a small time crook wears the red hood and gets caught by Batman?

Um Yeaaaaa this is Nolan's last and Bales last I doubt he'd do another without Nolan and the Next Batman movie after 3 will pretty much be NEED to be a reboot

I believe Bale said that he only came back because Nolan came back. They are both done with Batman after this.

Since Chris Nolan will leave the Batman franchise after the third movie in the trilogy, it is entirely possible that WB will bring in a director who would be opened to the idea of introducing Robin. I don't think we need yet another movie dealing with Batman's origin, so if they are doing a reboot I hope they would just jump right in as if they were making a James Bond movie instead. However, it is also possible that WB would go to an entirely different direction, like making Batman Beyond, so they won't have to follow a Batman movie in Nolan's footsteps.

It is intersting that Batman Beyond almost got its own movie a few years ago. It turned out to be a good idea to go with Batman Begins instead, but they might go back to that idea.

As for Robin, I was talking about farther in the future than that. But if they need to do a robin story, following the lines of "The Long Halloween" and "Dark Victory" would make for a good movie. The problem is that it might be too similar to this movie series. It would be very interesting if Frank Miller would be able to make a Batman movie. He has a lot of experience with movies, and he is one of the top Batman writers. His only problem would be turning it down enough to get only PG 13.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 02:18 PM

I believe Bale said that he only came back because Nolan came back. They are both done with Batman after this.

Yea that's what I was referring to there's many clips out there where they asked him if he was gonna do Batman 3 and he always answered "Only if Chris wants to" or something along those lines

Razor

10-14-2010, 02:22 PM

What would need to happen for Nolan to make a dark, bad*** Batman Beyond Movie?

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 02:26 PM

I think she is able to be a strong villain(she was able to almost kill Batman before the Joker threw her out a 5 story window), but without the origin story(which would require recasting the Joker), she can't fit into the movie.

But if you want a small reference to the Joker, how about a small time crook wears the red hood and gets caught by Batman?

I think perhaps Nolan was saving Joker for Batman 3 because he wanted to introduce Harley Quinn. That's the only reason I think Nolan kept Joker alive instead of killing him off like he did with Two-Face. Unfortunately, it's all moot now, but I do hope Nolan will have a scene where we see Joker (with back turned) escaping from the Arkham Asylum.

I believe Bale said that he only came back because Nolan came back. They are both done with Batman after this.

Yeah, the next Batman movie after Nolan will be entirely, 100% new. WB will have to start from scratch.

It is intersting that Batman Beyond almost got its own movie a few years ago. It turned out to be a good idea to go with Batman Begins instead, but they might go back to that idea.

As for Robin, I was talking about farther in the future than that. But if they need to do a robin story, following the lines of "The Long Halloween" and "Dark Victory" would make for a good movie. The problem is that it might be too similar to this movie series. It would be very interesting if Frank Miller would be able to make a Batman movie. He has a lot of experience with movies, and he is one of the top Batman writers. His only problem would be turning it down enough to get only PG 13.

Yeah, I read about that failed Batman Beyond movie, like the Justice League movie that WB cancelled (after hiring several new actors for the parts of Wonder Woman and others). I think WB knows that it will be very tough to do a follow-up act after Nolan's trilogy, so instead of inviting comparison they will go to the road with least resistence, and that is doing a Batman Beyond movie instead. They might make a JLA movie where the new Batman will make his grand entrance, and it won't get the same scrutiny from fans because it is an ensemble movie.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 02:28 PM

What would need to happen for Nolan to make a dark, bad*** Batman Beyond Movie?

I think Nolan will be done with Batman after part 3.

ForeverGreen

10-14-2010, 02:30 PM

What would need to happen for Nolan to make a dark, bad*** Batman Beyond Movie?

No just no

Nolan is going on to Superman After BAtman and we'll see if he can save that franchise being DC is getting there a***s kicked by Marvel movie wise. Right now it's bleeding heavily and DC will have to Hope Green Lantern and Batman 3 can slow it down because we've pretty much been told there's gonna be an Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 and that Marvelverse that they've set up is STRONG

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 02:31 PM

What would need to happen for Nolan to make a dark, bad*** Batman Beyond Movie?

Hopefully there isn't any way that he would do the movie. Batman Beyond needs super powered freak villains, Nolan hates those. Batman Beyond needs some form of comedy and a hero that talks a lot, and Nolan hates those as well.
They would need a different type of movie to make a good Batman Beyond movie, plus they would need to figure out when it takes place(the creators still haven't decided that[or how old Bruce is])

I think WB knows that it will be very tough to do a follow-up act after Nolan's trilogy, so instead of inviting comparison they will go to the road with least resistence, and that is doing a Batman Beyond movie instead.

That is how they first made Batman Beyond. They wanted a more kid friendly Batman cartoon, so they knew they couldn't follow up Batman TAS with a tradition Batman cartoon that was kid friendly, so they made something new. How it stopped being kid friendly and more dark than Batman TAS, I have no clue.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 02:46 PM

No just no

Nolan is going on to Superman After BAtman and we'll see if he can save that franchise being DC is getting there a***s kicked by Marvel movie wise. Right now it's bleeding heavily and DC will have to Hope Green Lantern and Batman 3 can slow it down because we've pretty much been told there's gonna be an Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 and that Marvelverse that they've set up is STRONG

I'm actually a Marvel fan, but I like to see both Marvel and DC do well. Hollywood is still skeptical toward the superhero genre, and there are critics who still think this recent dominance at the box office by movies of this genre is just a fab. If Marvel & DC can continue to prove the critics wrong, we will be getting more movies featuring superheroes for years to come. I do have to say that I think Marvel is taking a risk with the Avengers movie and the various movies that have tie-ins or associations with the Avengers, but it is a gamble that I'm glad they have the guts to take. WB by comparison is alot more conservative, and just about every superhero movies have to do with either Superman or Batman (examples: Supergirl, Catwoman, Steel). WB is taking its first step toward embracing rest of its superhero properties by making a Green Latern movie, but if it doesn't do well they might crawl back to the comforts of Supe and Bat again.

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 02:52 PM

WB by comparison is alot more conservative, and just about every superhero movies have to do with either Superman or Batman (examples: Supergirl, Catwoman, Steel). WB is taking its first step toward embracing rest of its superhero properties by making a Green Latern movie, but if it doesn't do well they might crawl back to the comforts of Supe and Bat again.

Well DC tried to use other heroes in live action TV shows, but I don't think they did very well at all.

But if all of the DC DVD animated movies sell well, and if shows like Green Lantern and Young Justice do well, they might be more willing to expand their range of live action movies.

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 02:58 PM

Well DC tried to use other heroes in live action TV shows, but I don't think they did very well at all.

But if all of the DC DVD animated movies sell well, and if shows like Green Lantern and Young Justice do well, they might be more willing to expand their range of live action movies.

I know that WB had Flash and Birds of Prey TV shows, and neither show made it past the first season. They always have success in their animation series, but when it comes to movies they have been very gun-shy. The recent creation of DC movie studio is a good step forward, and WB has indicated that they will be focusing more on superhero movies after the Potter series is over. But I think alot depends on the success of GL and the Superman reboot.

Hears All

10-14-2010, 03:32 PM

His name has come up often by fans as well. I have never read Hush(it is next on my buy list), so I can't say how he would work.

An odd name that has been coming up(which would be very interesting) is Hugo Strange. I don't think he would work very, but it would be interesting if he ended up being the mastermind behind both movies.

You should read the "Batman: Hush" story arc by Jeph Loeb, it is amazing and is basically the definitive Hush story that deals with his first appearance and origins. It's also illustrated by Jim Lee (who should be reason enough)

RyanRXP

10-14-2010, 04:12 PM

You should read the "Batman: Hush" story arc by Jeph Loeb, it is amazing and is basically the definitive Hush story that deals with his first appearance and origins. It's also illustrated by Jim Lee (who should be reason enough)

I know, but I was busy with other books, so I haven't been able to buy it. The next time I go to buy comics I will pick it up. The only person I know with a copy of it is my sister, but she won't let anyone touch it(it is signed by Lee and Loeb). I may have missed my chance to get a copy signed(they were both at NY Comic Con), but I settled for getting Lee to sign All Star Batman and Robin, and Loeb to sign Catwoman(I forgot Haunted Knight and Dark Victory)

FieryRed

10-14-2010, 04:28 PM

I know, but I was busy with other books, so I haven't been able to buy it. The next time I go to buy comics I will pick it up. The only person I know with a copy of it is my sister, but she won't let anyone touch it(it is signed by Lee and Loeb). I may have missed my chance to get a copy signed(they were both at NY Comic Con), but I settled for getting Lee to sign All Star Batman and Robin, and Loeb to sign Catwoman(I forgot Haunted Knight and Dark Victory)

I had a copy of Batman signed by Jim Lee many years ago when he appeared in E3, although I can't find that issue now. :( I remember asking him if he will ever return to Marvel and draw X-Men again, but he said he has already done X-Men so it's time for him to move on. I also told him that I've been reading his comics when I was young, and he laughed and said he's not that old lol. :D

ForeverGreen

10-27-2010, 06:04 PM

Riddler not Villain of "The Dark Knight Rises"

Christopher Nolan has been very smart the last few weeks with how he's slowly been teasing out information for the maniacally awaited next installment in the Batman franchise: It's going to shoot this summer! Tom Hardy's gonna play a bad guy! Today, Nolan was nice enough to actually reveal three whole new tidbits about the movie, although even those clues have their own mysteries attached.

The first big takeaway from his interview with Hero Complex's Geoff Boucher is that the film will be called "The Dark Knight Rises." Count us among the people who think it's pretty cool, connecting the new film to the last movie's unresolved Batman-on-the-run ending.

The other big headline-grabbing revelation is that the Riddler won't be the bad guy. Since Nolan had previously eliminated Mr. Freeze as a possible villain, that leaves the Penguin and Catwoman as the most famous baddies left in the Batman universe. (And depending on who you trust, those options may have been rejected too.) As close to a hint as Nolan would offer in his interview with Boucher is "We'll use many of the same characters as we have all along, and we'll be introducing some new ones," although Moviehole seems pretty convinced that a love-interest/Catwoman character might be one of those new faces.

But while those first two items will get the most attention, we humbly submit that the most exciting news to come out of today's Nolan Proclamation is that "The Dark Knight Rises" won't be 3-D. Instead, it'll be shot on high-def and IMAX cameras, which are less about visual gimmicks and more about sharpening already superb images. (Our friends who saw "The Dark Knight" in IMAX still won't shut up about how amazing the mid-film car chase sequence was.) Beyond the fact that Nolan wasn't seduced by the dark side of 3-D, the decision is fantastic because it shows that he's a filmmaker with enough clout to tell Warner Bros. "no" to something that would have been sure to add another $300 million or so to the film's grosses. How many blockbuster directors have the stature or integrity to do that?

If the mods want they can change this to the discussion thread for The Dark knight Rises

Hears All

10-27-2010, 06:17 PM

Sweeet, getting tired of all this 3-D crap

I still hope we get Hush

Mr. White

10-27-2010, 07:50 PM

I'm liking the name. Thank god it's not in 3-D

Digifiend

10-28-2010, 03:37 AM

Ah, we have a name for Batman Begins 3! Yes, The Dark Knight Rises is a good title. :)

Dragon Caesar

10-28-2010, 04:53 AM

Is Two Face really dead?

The Joker is still alive, likely institutionalized in Arkham Asylum or some place. Any future sequel could have him returning. It is finding the right actor that can build upon the late Heath Ledger's performance.

Digifiend

10-28-2010, 05:32 AM

You're never permanently dead in that type of world. It's based on a comic book, people get brought back from the dead in comics all the time.

The Joker coming back is more of an issue because the actor died, regardless of whether the character's dead or not.

Anza Power

10-28-2010, 08:54 AM

I'm liking the name. Thank god it's not in 3-D

Amen, Amen indeed...

TOMMYWALES87

10-28-2010, 09:55 AM

I like tom hardy I like his role in "The Take" Sky ones minie seires. People should see it It brilliant if you like Gangster films, like rock and rolla. I just hope they keep it all logical/believeable like the first too thats what I liked about the first two they made it believeable.

DarkBlaze

10-28-2010, 10:42 AM

They should get Harley in on the action, and bring back Two Face along with maybe another villain.

ForeverGreen

10-28-2010, 11:32 AM

They should get Harley in on the action, and bring back Two Face along with maybe another villain.
Rumor mill at it again
http://movies.ign.com/articles/113/1130582p1.html

We recently learned that Inception's Tom Hardy had been cast in an unspecified role in Batman 3. Now comes word that Bat-director Christopher Nolan is narrowing down his search for the female lead in the highly anticipated sequel.

"Several young ('Late 20′s, early 30′s') ladies are meeting with the Caped Crusader's resuscitator this week to talk about the new film. Interestingly enough, quite a few of the ladies don't actually know what role they're being asked to read for/meet Nolan about," according to Moviehole.

The site claims to know who some of the actresses are, but declined to name them out of respect to their reps. "What I can say is that Nolan is open to casting a fresh face as the female lead; he's not necessarily bringing in the big guns," Moviehole reports.

So who is the female lead? The oft-rumored Catwoman? Maybe Talia Al Ghul, whose dad Ra's was the baddie in Batman Begins? Or maybe Harley Quinn? Barbara Gordon? Poison Ivy? Silver St. Cloud? Huntress? Leslie Thompkins??

The Catwoman rumor mill has suggested actresses ranging from Emily Blunt and Megan Fox to Oscar winners such as Angelina Jolie and Marion Cotillard (who worked with Nolan on Inception and reportedly turned down the Catwoman role recently).

Thanks to Batman-on-Film for the head's-up!

Any future sequel could have him returning. It is finding the right actor that can build upon the late Heath Ledger's performance.
This is the last Batman Nolan is doing and he has been clear that he is NEVER going to recast the Joker in his Batman movies

Jimmy Jones

10-28-2010, 03:47 PM

Top villains i consider out of the question:

Joker - Reason is quite obvious.
Riddler - Nolan confirmed it.
Penguin - Nolanverse is more based on reality accuracy so a character like that just wouldn't make sense in the Nolanverse.
Harley Quinn - Without Joker, she's useless. She needs Joker to work off on displaying her personality and since there's no way Joker is coming back, stop hoping is what i say to those who still don't get it.

I agree with what fans are saying that it could be Bane, just as long as they make him a real bada$$ and not minion fodder like in Batman & Robin. I'm somewhat 50-50 over whether Catwoman should be brought to the Nolanverse but i'm not completely against it, especially since Bruce needs a new love interest after what happened to Ms. Dawes. Perhaps for old times sake, they can bring Scarecrow back in another cameo role as a lower level criminal. I love Cillian Murphy as an actor and love his work so seeing him again even if it was just one scene would be a treat.

Digifiend

10-28-2010, 06:07 PM

Also Harley Quinn is a canon immigrant from DCAU, so she won't be well known outside the DC Comics fandom.

Hears All

10-28-2010, 08:42 PM

You're never permanently dead in that type of world. It's based on a comic book, people get brought back from the dead in comics all the time.

Christopher Nolan's movies aren't like the comic book counterparts. His move universe is based in realism and it's safe to say he won't bring back characters unless he planned it from the beginning

The Joker coming back is more of an issue because the actor died, regardless of whether the character's dead or not.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Also Harley Quinn is a canon immigrant from DCAU, so she won't be well known outside the DC Comics fandom.

That's stupid. Harley Quinn started in the DCAU and has moved into the canon DCU and is still very well known and loved by fans of both fandoms

Super Jeff

10-28-2010, 10:04 PM

I was hearing a rumor, how he might bring Penguin in as a mob boss, but not deformed. Although this is nothing more then a rumor.

Xalon Warxull

10-30-2010, 06:04 AM

Sweeet, getting tired of all this 3-D crap

I still hope we get Hush

I agree I like to see Hush also.

Jimmy Jones

11-11-2010, 02:49 PM

The rumor mill piles up a grocery list of A-list names for two female roles, a new love interest and a villain whose identity is still not confirmed:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71624

Digifiend

11-11-2010, 04:20 PM

Anne Hathaway, Keira Knightley, Blake Lively, Natalie Portman, Naomi Watts and Rachel Weisz.

Hmm, you're right, some well known names there... so it'll probably be none of them!

Andros

11-11-2010, 09:45 PM

There was a line in TDK that hinted to Catwoman..
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=42984395

Who knows? We will have to just wait and see

Jimmy Jones

11-12-2010, 12:28 PM

Has Morgan Freeman been completely been written out of the franchise or is it too soon to call it? I wonder because the character of Lucius Fox is a beneficial one to Batman's world and despite the way their alliance ended in TDK, maybe they could make amends in some way storywise...

Hears All

11-12-2010, 02:03 PM

Mr. White

11-12-2010, 02:47 PM

Maybe. I hope he returns. I like Freeman's character.

Andros

11-13-2010, 12:24 PM

Well, I think they are in good standing. Because Lucius comment to Wayne was "As long as this machine exists at Wayne Enterprises, I will not. Consider this my Resignation." Then Wayne tells him to type his name into the computer after he is done with it. And he does and it is destroyed. So my interpretation of the ending, is that since the computer is no longer in existence he will still return and work with Wayne.

Jimmy Jones

12-02-2010, 10:46 AM

The reason this news pisses me off is because the people apparently have nothing BETTER to ask than keep bringing up what's already been established and you don't need the director to tell you that. HE'S NOT F#CKING COMING BACK!!! GET A CLUE YOU F#CKING DELUDED FOOLS!!!!

http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Heath-Ledger-wont-be-in-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-says-director-Christopher-Nolan/7820316?rss=rss-kabc-snippet-7820320

Mr. White

01-19-2011, 04:10 PM

Anne Hathaway is our Catwoman.

Crazy rumors about the cast for "The Dark Knight Rises," the third of director Christopher Nolan's Batman films, have been going on for so long that Vulture's Lane Brown gleefully made fun of the phenomenon seven months ago. At that point, the following human beings had been connected to the sequel: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Johnny Depp, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Angelina Jolie, Cher, Eddie Murphy, Rachel Weisz, Miley Cyrus, Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox. This is a natural by-product of the Internet and of the massive success of "The Dark Knight," which Nolan turned into one of the biggest hits of all time, in some effect, through the casting of the late Heath Ledger as The Joker. This is the most prestigous, profitable franchise in Hollywood, and everyone wants a part.

And today, for the first time, after all the rumors have dissipated, we know who the villains in "The Dark Knight Rises" will be. Warner Bros just announced that Anne Hathaway will play Selina Kyle, and that Tom Hardy, of Nolan's "Inception," will play Bane. Christian Bale will be back as Batman, and Nolan has said this will be his final Batman film.

Hathaway was one of the many actresses rumored to be auditioning for the film last week (a group that reportedly included Jessica Biel and Keira Knightley), and apparently she won over Nolan. (That she's at the apex of her career, with her Oscar co-hosting duties next month, doesn't hurt either.) This is the first time we've learned that Selina Kyle -- who is more commonly known as "Catwoman" -- will be a part of the film. It is definitely worth noting that the Warner Bros. release never says the word "Catwoman." That could mean that Hathaway will be playing Kyle before she turns into Catwoman, or that they're trying to establish some distance from Halle Berry's widely panned performance in her "Catwoman" spinoff in 2004, or that the studio is trying to play a little coy with the announcement of an iconic Batman love-interest-cum-villain.

Of course, Berry's not even the most famous movie Catwoman: That would be Michelle Pfeiffer, who was the highlight of the underrated "Batman Returns, Tim Burton's last film in the franchise, back in 1992. In that version, Kyle, a sheepish secretary, becomes Catwoman by being brought back to life -- after being murdered by Christopher Walken -- by an alley-full of stray cats. But in the comics, she's a street criminal with a tragic past similar to Batman's, a Robin Hood sort who steals from the city's wealthy and gives it to the destitute. That seems a more likely direction for Nolan's morally ambiguous Batman universe. And, obviously, the notion of Anne Hathaway in a Catwoman suit is not necessarily a negative one either.

This isn't the first time Hardy's Bane has been in a Batman film, though his appearance was far less memorable. In 1997's much-mocked "Batman & Robin," Bane was played by the late wrestler Jeep Swenson. In that film, he was Poison Ivy's bodyguard, but did little more than grunt and flex. The DC Comics version of Bane is far more layered. There, Bane is another Batman character who was doomed from birth. He was born and raised in a South American prison -- the law there required his father's life sentence for murder to be served by his son, which hardly seems fair -- he becomes a body-building strongman, along with a superior intelligence wrought in the prison library, simply to survive behind bars. He ended up running the prison's inmates, which led the threatened warden to force him to become a test subject on an experiment with a substance called "Venom." The venom makes him supernaturally strong, but he's required to take it every 12 hours, or he'll die. Eventually he escapes prison and wreaks doomed havoc on the streets of Gotham. In a way, this character is not all that different from the character Hardy played in "Bronson," Nicolas Winding Refn's 2008 film about England's most notorious prison inmate. This is certainly what Nolan had in mind by casting him.

It's not known whether the rest of the "Dark Knight" cast -- Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman -- will return for the film, but they are expected to. It will be released in June 2012, which should give everyone plenty of time to come up with a whole new roll call of rumors, now that this news dispenses with all the old ones

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-anne-hathaway-is-your-new-selina-kyle

Super Jeff

01-19-2011, 07:17 PM

Well because I told my roomate catwoman will be in it, he is going on a rant about how nolan back tracked instead of going forword. As for me, I m giving it a benefit of the doubt since Nolan has yet to displease me.

Hears All

01-23-2011, 01:41 PM

Anne Hathaway is awesome, hopefully this one can live up to the hype

Razor

01-23-2011, 02:05 PM

At that point, the following human beings had been connected to the sequel: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Johnny Depp, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Angelina Jolie, Cher, Eddie Murphy, Rachel Weisz, Miley Cyrus, Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox.

Eddie Murphy? I could see Johnny Depp being the Riddler, though.

As far as Anne, goes, I welcome to the chance to see her. Nolan has not dissapointed me yet, so if he says she's won her over, I'm sure she'll be more than fine for the role.

Jimmy Jones

01-23-2011, 02:16 PM

Catwoman and Bane? Looks like my campaigning for the Venom juicer has paid off!:)

BanditHiro

01-23-2011, 11:56 PM

i wonder if he is going to get his back broken

Xalon Warxull

01-24-2011, 08:50 AM

I hope Bane is portrayed as Expert strategist, martial artist and escapologist with a Genius-level intellect in The Dark Knight Rises. I dislike the way he was portrayed in 1997 movie Batman and Robin.

Jimmy Jones

01-24-2011, 09:09 AM

^ Got that right. He's too powerful to be a minion. They better have him crushing heads with the way that Venom dopes him up into superhuman physical prowess. It's not gonna be a picnic for Bale this time around.

ForeverGreen

01-24-2011, 10:12 AM

Tom Hardy was great in Inception so I wanna see how he does Bane and I can't imagine it being crappy like Bane in Batman and Robin

ForeverGreen

03-03-2011, 08:17 AM

Dark Knight Rises Plot Revealed?

Here's the online community's latest attempt to decipher the plot to The Dark Knight Rises.

Badass Digest claims to have learned from "a good source near the Batcamp" how all the elements we've learned about the film so far -- Catwoman, Bane, Talia Al Ghul -- fit together in the Bat-threequel. The site isn't saying this is for sure, mind you, so bear that in mind when you read these possible (if true) spoilers.

"I can't tell you what role she has in the beginning, but by the end of the story Catwoman isn't a villain but rather an ally of Batman. And who are they teaming up to take out? The League of Shadows," according to Badass Digest. "Headed by Talia Al'Ghul. With Bane, who is her muscle/possible love interest."

They add that they have been told Joseph Gordon-Levitt will also play a villain in the film, but they're not sure which one. Anne Hathaway plays Selina Kyle opposite Tom Hardy as Bane. Marion Cotillard is reportedly up for the role of Talia. Liam Neeson recently told us that he won't be back as Ra's for TDKR.

The League of Shadows makes sense seeing as how they also appeared in Batman Begins headed by Talia's father, Ra's Al Ghul. Bruce Wayne trained with them, so presumably that would be how the villains would already know Batman's secret identity. Hell, they all showed up at the end to burn Wayne Manor down and not all of them died, so presumably someone made it back overseas to tell the tale.

In the comics, Bane spent time with Ra's Al Ghul not long after the former had broken Batman's back during the "Knightfall" storyline. Ra's had considered the musclebound baddie as a possible heir and husband to Talia, but that didn't end up working out. Bane later returned to Gotham City to seek out Bruce Wayne for a very different reason: He'd learned during his stay with Ra's that his mysterious biological father might be the late Dr. Thomas Wayne, which would make him and Batman half-brothers.

UPDATED: Batman-on-Film says its confirmed the aforementioned plot rumors as being accurate.

SirGreen

03-03-2011, 04:09 PM

Got a batman game coming out and a movie, what more could we ask for??:)

Mr. White

03-03-2011, 05:18 PM

Sounds pretty awsome. If that is true.. the villain choices make alot of sense to have.

Jimmy Jones

04-16-2011, 10:55 AM

Mayor Garcia will be back:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/165573-nestor-carbonell-joins-the-dark-knight-rises

TimeKaiser

04-16-2011, 12:48 PM

I am patently waiting for the next film though I'm scared for it because it's gonna be real tough to top TDK, even if it was an awesome movie but not as awesome as TDK critics might pound it to the ground (as if I listen to them but sadly a big public does)

Reminds me how I hated Ebert as a kid for giving his thumb down for Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: The Movie. XD

ForeverGreen

05-20-2011, 10:31 AM

First pic of Tom Hardy as Bane.....EPIC

http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/270370_S/the-dark-knight-rises-reveals-tom-hardy-as-bane.jpg

Barracuda

05-20-2011, 02:07 PM

I'm super excited about this movie. Hopefully this Bane is crazier than the Bane in the 90's (I believe).
http://images.wikia.com/batman/images/b/b4/BaneJS.jpg

ForeverGreen

05-20-2011, 02:10 PM

I'm pretty sure Hardy is playing more Comic Book Bane who broke Batman's back not grunting nonsense Bane from Batman and Robin

Barracuda

05-20-2011, 02:11 PM

LOL. I just like the strength the old Bane had.

Xalon Warxull

05-20-2011, 06:57 PM

First pic of Tom Hardy as Bane.....EPIC

http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/270370_S/the-dark-knight-rises-reveals-tom-hardy-as-bane.jpg

He looks awesome way better rthan the 90's movie version.

ForeverGreen

05-20-2011, 07:02 PM

LOL. I just like the strength the old Bane had.

Hardy's Bane will be more like Comic Bane. EXTREMELY Intelligent and really strong. Not some thug criminal Lionel Luthor turns into a big strong guy with no brain

Barracuda

05-20-2011, 08:31 PM

I wonder how Bane will turn out.

ForeverGreen

05-20-2011, 08:40 PM

Everything I read suggests Intelligent Bane

Barracuda

05-20-2011, 08:44 PM

Link (http://batman-news.com/2011/05/19/our-first-look-at-anne-hathaway-as-selina-kyle-in-the-dark-knight-rises-kinda/)

I think its weird to see Hathway as cat.

ForeverGreen

05-20-2011, 09:03 PM

I'm looking more forward to seeing what the rest of her looks like lol

Thrax

05-21-2011, 12:31 AM

will be cool this Batman movie !!!

Legacy

07-18-2011, 12:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3do00ch2AGM

KyoryuRed

07-18-2011, 01:18 PM

awesome teaser trailer!

can't wait to see The Dark Knight Rises next year! XD

jedibloo

07-18-2011, 01:43 PM

great teaser trailer :D

Mr. White

07-18-2011, 02:19 PM

Cool teaser.

Jimmy Jones

07-18-2011, 02:52 PM

Holy confusion, Batman! The Ra's dialogue at the beginning combined with the scene of the bedridden villain had me thinking at first that it's the younger Ra's speaking to his minions but then i realized it was Bane due to the scene of the coming battle. I think i might still be confused, can somebody tell me who's who?

Razor

07-18-2011, 02:55 PM

See, I saw a trailer for this movie when I went to see Harry Potter. My jaw just dropped the entire time. I could tell right away just from looking that it was Bane. I can't wait to see this.

Legacy

07-18-2011, 03:51 PM

Who is the guy laying in hospital bed?

Jimmy Jones

07-18-2011, 04:38 PM

Thanks for the Anti-Confusion Spray, Razor!:)

SlipperyShark1988

07-18-2011, 07:06 PM

so happy that WB is fixing Bane after what they did to him in Batman & Robin, he is not a rent-a-thug in any sense, also like Anne Hathaway for Catwoman over the rumored Megan Fox

Super Jeff

07-18-2011, 08:42 PM

From my understanding its commisioner Gordon thats in the bed. I could be wrong though...

SirGreen

07-18-2011, 11:02 PM

Dude i still dont think anne hathaway can pull off a catwomen lets get halle berry back. I read about this movie on yahoo. Im kinda sad that Batman is the only really really good movies coming out in his universe.

Ok i just looked at the link Barracuda posted. Ok so she looks pretty good as catwomen.

ForeverRanger

07-18-2011, 11:08 PM

Anne Hathaway is a nice draw to the film. Something about a hot woman in skin tight leather makes me shiver.

Legacy

07-20-2011, 04:53 PM

This was a cool photo i found from all 3 movies of the trilogy

http://www.awardsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Batman-Begins-Falls-Rises.jpg

Razor

07-20-2011, 05:11 PM

That is awesome!

KyoryuRed

07-20-2011, 05:56 PM

Awesome Fanmade Poster ever! it would be a good for Cover Art on DVDs! and Blu-ray, too! ;)

Mr. White

07-20-2011, 06:15 PM

That's pretty badass.

jedibloo

07-20-2011, 09:40 PM

epic fanmade poster!

Barracuda

08-03-2011, 12:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wUDt2azGc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twPypRSpj-M&feature=player_embedded

Videos of them filming scenes.

Mr. White

08-03-2011, 05:12 PM

That's pretty cool. Can't wait to see the City Hall fight.

SirGreen

08-03-2011, 08:40 PM

Wow Legacy that picture is one hell of a find.

shielded117

08-05-2011, 04:34 PM

Didn't see that this had been posted, but here is the first look at Anne Hathaway as Catwoman

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/TuNEY2UeDPld_Xvx_q45Qg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYyMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/251/2011/08/05/catwoman-620_150144.jpg

Mr. White

08-05-2011, 04:57 PM

Pretty sweet.

SirGreen

08-05-2011, 05:34 PM

Why does she have the bat cycle iwonder

Jimmy Jones

08-06-2011, 12:12 PM

Why does she have the bat cycle iwonder
Cause it was number one on her list of things to steal.;)

Barracuda

08-06-2011, 01:46 PM

That picture of Cat.....confuses me.

Barracuda

08-15-2011, 02:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67H5geEVG10&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUiPPGKaO8&feature=relmfu

Videos of Cat Woman.

Mr. White

09-25-2011, 03:32 PM

More Pictures of Catwoman.

http://screenrant.com/complete-catwoman-costume-mask-dark-knight-rises-rob-133327/

sentaiforever92

10-24-2011, 05:56 PM

I have to say that I am not a big fan at how Catwoman's costume is turning out but maybe it'll look better on screen.

Barracuda

11-11-2011, 08:55 AM

Photos and Videos of Catwoman, Bane and Batman (http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-dark-knight-rises-batman-fights-bane-set-video)

Mr. White

12-10-2011, 07:30 PM

New Poster

http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-4942.html?tid=36135

Thrax

12-11-2011, 02:17 AM

This move will be epic like the last 2 Batman Begins and The Dark Knight !!!

Mr. White

12-20-2011, 11:04 PM

Surprised nobody posted it yet. New trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFwvozMHR4

Also, did anyone watch the prologue for the movie?

Thrax

12-21-2011, 12:14 AM

This one will be epic !!!

Mr. White

04-30-2012, 08:20 PM

Major bumpage. New trailer is out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g8evyE9TuYk

Barracuda

04-30-2012, 08:30 PM

What's up with Bane's voice? I might actually see this but personally it just seems too boring.

Thrax

05-01-2012, 01:00 AM

Awesome trailer !!

Mr. White

05-01-2012, 11:51 PM

What's up with Bane's voice? I might actually see this but personally it just seems too boring.

They edited it so that people can understand what he's saying.

Thrax

05-03-2012, 02:44 AM

Yh, if not will be just a Monster because is goal is much similar to First Villan of the Batman Begins

Super Jeff

05-03-2012, 03:56 AM

The movie looks pretty sweet. Even if its not as good as the dark Knight, Ill be satisfied if its better then begins.

O.92

05-04-2012, 07:50 PM

Batman Begins sucked. If it's worse than Batman Begins, it will be a MAJOR disappointment.

In fact, I'd say this movie has a fairly good chance of being a disappointment. Because they chose to milk the "Dark Knight" name for everything it has, people will undoubtedly go into this movie expecting it to be just as good as the last movie, if not better. And I'm not so sure that will happen. Dark Knight was a great movie and I'm not sure they can replicate that same greatness again. Movies like that only come around once in a decade. This movie has high expectations and standards to live up to, and anything less will be considered a disappointment.

Mr. Silver

05-04-2012, 10:07 PM

^

I didn't think Begins was a bad movie, but if this movie doesn't even sniff TDK in terms of quality, then I'll be disappointed. I have high hopes for this movie as well, but I don't think that it'll top TDK. In this case though, I want to be wrong.

Fury Diamond

07-22-2012, 09:06 AM

What are your thoughts on this movie?

O.92

07-22-2012, 09:12 AM

Saw the movie last night. And the best word to sum it up is: overrated.

Honestly though, it was an OK movie. Just OK. I knew the movie would have a tough time living up to the last one as they set the bar a little too high for even themselves. And that was exactly the case. There were certain parts of the movie that really dragged on, and it seemed like the movie was trying a little too hard at times. Seriously, half the **** Alfred says doesn't even make sense anymore, nor is it even necessary. And let's not forget that awkward moment the first time you hear Bane's voice.

All in all, the movie did a lot of things right, but it was closer to Batman Begins (which I thought sucked) than it was to The Dark Knight (which I thought was godly). I am anxious to see where they go from here though with the actions that took place at the end that revealed Blake to be Robin. Oh, and I also don't think Bane is dead. His death was way too un-epic for me to believe he's just dead that easily.

ForeverGreen

07-22-2012, 09:25 AM

No where. Nolan already said he's done making Batman movies.

O.92

07-22-2012, 10:00 AM

So then...why the heck even start something up like that?

OujaStrike

07-22-2012, 12:00 PM

I thought it was good but not great really slow thru the 1st half get better near the end but no way better then the dark knight

Cameron Samurai

07-22-2012, 12:25 PM

Saw the movie last night. And the best word to sum it up is: overrated.

No, that would be Amazing Spider-Man, which this movie easily tops. Fantastic effort from all involved.

And just because someone's death wasnt epic doesnt mean there alive just to satisfy your over-heightened sense of expectation. Bane was shot at point blank range. No getting up from that.

So then...why the heck even start something up like that?

It wasnt to keep the franchise going, it was to show

The story goes on for the people of Gotham and that there will always be a protector of them

O.92

07-22-2012, 12:59 PM

And just because someone's death wasnt epic doesnt mean there alive just to satisfy your over-heightened sense of expectation. Bane was shot at point blank range. No getting up from that.

Yes. And Batman was also stabbed. And then proceeded to blow himself up in an atomic bomb. Yet he managed to get right back up. So what's your point? Surely Bane can get up from a shot and no one would be surprised. Can Bane be dead? Sure. Can Bane not be dead? Wouldn't surprise me. His "death" was too anti-climactic for me to just write his character off so easily.

Underground Blue

07-22-2012, 03:27 PM

I think that the last half-hour were thrown together. So many things were happening that Bane's shot didn't pass me on whether he was alive. Who knows whether he is or not.

I think that although it was great to see Nolan finally acknowledge Robin, it defended his claim to end the franchise. Maybe his brother could take on the Batman franchise, but I would think Joseph isn't going to be Batman, but Robin. It's also possible to believe that the ending was that way because it went back to the point that Batman is just a symbol. Anyone can continue to protect the city.

Super Jeff

07-22-2012, 04:02 PM

The movie was epic to me, I think it was as good as the dark knight, but I may like the 2nd movie just a bit more because of the Joker and Two-Face.

I thought the story was well paced and the action could satisfy anyone. 9/10

jedibloo

07-22-2012, 09:26 PM

I thought it was great but not better than TDK. It starts out a bit slow, then grew awesome in the end. The ending was alright but it should've made better.
I agree with O.92 in regards to Bane's death. I don't think Bane could die with the blast so easily and its really frustrating because he was a rather good villain.

Billy Jarvis Stewart

07-22-2012, 11:18 PM

I loved the movie and I enjoyed it more than TDK to be honest. It wasnt the Joker movie, it was a movie that focused on Batman that had great performances by everyone involved. The plot was interesting and well thought out. It even had refrences and themes from actual stories in comic bools as well. NOlan even managed to get a GREAT performance out of Anne Hathaway, which is a feat.

Mr. White

07-23-2012, 12:48 AM

It was pretty good movie, but it still wasn't better than TDK. Bane was an amazing villain in the movie, and Anne Hathaway did a great job as Catwoman.

Koji

07-25-2012, 09:54 AM

Loved it.

Bane dying so easily? So what? Not every death has to be epic or some spectacle. He had his time, and he wasn't going down, so his death is fine. I hate that people think that people have to die in such big, epic ways. No; they don't. Do you see people in real life - heroes, like military, for instance - dying like that? No; death is death. And this is a movie that I feel doesn't need something so over the top. Hell, I figured Bruce was dying from the stab; I wouldn't have been surprised.

Blake's name being Robin is supposed to just be a nod, I guess, not saying that he will be Robin if someone would make more movies (Nolan did say he likes working with Levitt), but just a shoutout to make people happy, like how Bane's breaking Batman's back was ripped right from the comics, pretty much word for word (or scene-for-scene, I'm not sure which). If anything, I'm sure Blake would either be the new Batman, or he'd become Nightwing (add some blue to the existing suit, abandon the cowl, since it's shaped to Bruce's head, I would assume, since it is for the actor). I doubt he'd become Robin; the suit is already there for him, after all.

galaxy_ben

07-25-2012, 04:57 PM

Also loved it. And I agree about Bane's death. I saw blake being robin coming and also predicted the ending (of alfred seeing a merried bruce in a venice cafe) once he picked up the bomb. But i did not at all see Miranda being Talia, i was quite impressed with that twist. I was also really impressed with Selina's character. When I first heard Catwoman would be in the film, i was really dissapointed on the account that she's been really overdone but i was really surprised. She was by far the best catwoman, they took the best parts of her character and made her really strong, I was rooting for her and bruce to get together throughout the film. Really enjoyed the references to the past films and appearances of past characters. Overall it was a great conclusion and i really loved it, certainly not as good as the Dark Knight, but i knew it wouldnt be and i dont at all agree wth people saying they tried to hard to make it as good, i think they completely accepted what it was - as a conclusion with references and themes from the past two films.

Fury Diamond

08-25-2012, 01:01 AM

I finally saw this movie today.

For the most part, the movie was great but felt slow at times. There were several concepts in the story that was predictable. I loved the casting for Joseph and Anne for their parts. I have been pleased with the existing cast from the first two movies, including Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine.

The final scene was beyond EPIC. I have to admit that this was one of the finest endings that I have ever seen.

Ryan Steele

08-25-2012, 02:59 AM

saw the movie yesterday. I hated it. The most awful batman ever for me. I give it a 5/10. I am glad we won't see Bale ever again as Batman...

Qarlf

08-25-2012, 03:06 AM

^
What did you not like about the movie?

Was it the pacing, or the overall story?

Ryan Steele

08-25-2012, 03:22 AM

- not enough Batman in the movie
- Bale's voice as Batman was ridicilous
- didn't like that flying vehicle batman had. Where is the awesome Batfly we saw Batman (1989)?
- Ann Hathaway was nice as Catwoman but we didn't have enough of her either and her suit sucked.
- Too much of Bane. Way too much. The way he died too wasn't something. I didn't like him as main villain of the movie and didn't care how it was connected to the first movie. Too bad Hethe is dead. A movie with Jocker would rule
- Once again like in the first movie I wasn't feeling like watching a batman movie
- I didn't like how Robin was handle in this trilogy
- The scene Bane braking Bruce's back and then how easily he escaped was fail. This whole story tired me
- A couple of times I caught myself seeing how much time remaining for the movie to finish. I was bored
- Overall I never liked Bale as Batman in any of the movies and I think these movies are way overrated apart from the second one with Hethe playing the role of his life

The only thing I liked in this movie is that the finale can work great for a Nightwing movie. Maybe I just deslike Miller's Batman, I don't know. In none of these 3 movies I was satisfied with Batman to say how awesome is this hero