Nintendo Wii U Discussion

[Mr. Green]

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Multiple sources are reporting this, so it'll be interesting to see if it ultimately turns out to be true.


We have confirmed with multiple sources that this new home system is capable of running games at HD resolutions. There are conflicting reports, however, as to whether its graphics will be comparable to those on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – meaning it could surpass or fall short of those systems. Either way it will offer competitive specifications. Moving to HD should greatly help Nintendo and its new console in getting more multi-platform triple-A titles like Portal 2 or Mortal Kombat. This, in turn, will strengthen Nintendo's historically poor relationship with third-party publishers/developers.

In fact, Nintendo is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interested and allow them plenty of time to start developing titles in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 launch. This advance support marks a change from when the Wii launched. At that time, several Western publishers were outright surprised by the announcement, and it affected the software support for the platform.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata himself acknowledged that it needs to do a better job with its publishing partners at a 3DS press conference in the fall of 2010. "We need to decrease the concern that only Nintendo software can sell well on Nintendo platforms and third-party software cannot sell in the same volume. We feel a need to have closer ties with our third-party developers from the beginning."

"Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii." What else, beyond graphics, this may imply about the system is unknown. What kind of controls the system will support (we imagine a need for both classic analog configurations and motion controllers) or what level of software and infrastructure Nintendo will provide for online gaming is also unknown. However, it's a positive sign that the system might be more than just an HD Wii.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/14/new-nintendo-console-at-e3.aspx

It's certainly interesting to think about, and if it does come to fruition, I hope it'll be backward compatible with Wii and Gamecube games.

[O.92]

I was never a "ZOMG! WII NEEDS HDEE!!!" person, but I think that first and foremost, the Wii needs better games. Its game selection is not even close to competing with the 360 or PS3 right now. It really does feel like a children's console. They need to strengthen that relationship with 3rd party developers and get a better collection of games going before I even think twice about a Wii HD.

[ForeverGreen]

I just hope with the Next Nintendo Console we may get the PS4 and/or the next Xbox a year or 2 later

[Mr. Underachiever]

Nintendo won't do this because, as they've proven over the last three generations, Nintendo hates money.

[ForeverGreen]

If i'm not mistaken Nintendo DOMINATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hand helds.

[mmpr grove]

Last year at this time multiple sources also confirmed a HD-upgraded Wii called the WII-HI-FI. That also turned out to be a pile of garbage. If we are lucking maybe we'll get an announcement of the next console, but probably not a proto-type, no game imagines or sense of game play. Both the Dolphin (gamecube) and Revolution (Wii) were announced ages before we got a view of them finished at E3.

[Fury Diamond]

Sweet. Always been a fan of Nintendo's work. This should be a fantastic upgrade from the Wii generation.

[mmpr grove]

The towering pile of rumors regarding Nintendo's next generation console, supposedly to be announced at E3, continues to grow today with a report from French news site 01net (which divined the hardware specs of the NGP before its official unveiling). Citing unnamed sources, the site claims the system is currently codenamed "Project Café," and adds that it does feature hardware resembling that of the Xbox 360, such as a three-core IBM PowerPC CPU.

The real meat of the report isn't in the specs of the console, but rather, its controller. According to 01net, the peripheral will feature a six-inch single-input touchscreen -- which corroborates a similar report published by CVG yesterday. The French site also says the controller features a standard set of buttons, a front-mounted camera (what?) and can even function as a Wii sensor bar, should the player choose to indulge in the console's built-in backwards compatibility. That's actually pretty believable -- after all, the same effect can be achieved using a pair of candles.

We'll keep an ear to the ground for any additional reports of a touchscreen-infused remote for the heavily rumored console. At the very least, we can be certain that over the course of the next few nights, visions of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures will be dancing through our heads.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/15/rumor-wii-2-codenamed-project-cafe-controller-includes-built-i/

[FieryRed]

Given that both 360 and PS3 now have motion-detecting technology in place and can play games that used to be Wii's domain, I'm not surprised that Nintendo has spurted into action and will announce the new console in E3. They will pour alot of resource into 3DS to dominate the handheld, and also to buy some time before they finally premiere the next-gen Wii console.

[O.92]

So is some kind of Wii2 (like a DS Lite), or is it just the next major console, the next generation? Because that's what it's starting to look like.

[mmpr grove]

Many of you may have already heard on the rumor mill of extremely heavy stirrings, talking of a possible new Nintendo console. This thread exists in an effort to consolidate and compile as many of the possible rumored tech specs and information we have so far about the alleged new system. It is important to remember however, even with the sheer amount of sources citing all this, we still haven't got any sort of confirmation from Nintendo. So take all these rumors with a grain of salt (or an entire bottle). Until we get any sort of confirmation, ALL rumors about the system (and the system itself remain unconfirmed and are subject to change. I will attempt to keep this thread updated as new rumors are available. If and when the real thing is announced and solid information is confirmed first-hand, a new thread will be created by someone to formally announce the system. If the system and all rumors turn out to be untrue, an update will be posted here to confirm and the thread will be locked. Any, all, or none of these rumors could actually end up being true as far as we know. Some rumors may also contradict one another as different sources say different things. So, with that out of the way, here are the rumors we've heard so far in regards to Nintendo's new console (sources are in parenthesis)-

- Codenamed "Project Café", final name unknown (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Formal announcement E3 2011 or before, with a targeted release in late 2012 (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Developers such as Ubisoft, Activision, and EA have had the devkit for months (EDGE (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sources-confirm-more-details-on-wii-successor))
- Controller has 6-inch touch screen, front-facing camera, D-Pad, two bumpers, two triggers and "possibly more," functions as a Wii sensor bar (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Conflicting reports on the controller screen resolution, some say it's HD, others say sub-HD (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/) and VG247 (http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/14/report-nintendo-to-announced-wii-successor-at-e3-in-june/))
- Controller allows streaming of full games to the device from the console "like a mini TV" (Jim Reilly's Twitter (https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58991231140773889))
- Superior motion controls, better than Move (EDGE (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sources-confirm-more-details-on-wii-successor))
- First and third party Project Café games to be shown at E3. Not confirmed if there's any playable games (Jim Reilly's Twitter (https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58948527677648896))
- Supports high definition resolution (Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/14/new-nintendo-console-at-e3.aspx))
- On par with or more powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Custom IBM Tri-core PowerPC CPU, ATI R700 family GPU shader version 4.1, at least 512Mb of RAM (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Backwards compatible with both Wii and Gamecube games, along with all peripherals for said systems (CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/))
- Possibly uses Blu-ray discs as the primary media for games (VG247 (http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/14/report-nintendo-to-announced-wii-successor-at-e3-in-june/))
- An older comment by Satoru Iwata hints at possibly adding 3D support for future consoles, but not yet rumored by any sources for Project Café (EDGE (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/e32010-wii-successor-%E2%80%9Cprobably%E2%80%9D-3d-iwata)). GBATEMP Updated daily Nintendo HD rumors (http://gbatemp.net/t288942-nintendo-project-cafe-rumor-superthread)

The next Gen. Rumored 3rd party Devs started cancelling publicly-unannounced games for the wii because of the Wii losing it's appeal. I know several families who had Wiis and loved it for the first year or 2. After awhile though they started to realize how much harder certain games are the Wiis motion controls and jumped ship for either a PS3 or Xbox 360. I can see many other families around the world (but mostly American ones) doing the same. Nintendo really should of had both motion controls and classic controls mandatory for games instead of just motion controls.

[mmpr grove]

Nintendo Co. Ltd. has decided to launch in 2012 a system to succeed Wii, which the company has sold 86.01 million units on a consolidated shipment basis between its launch in 2006 and the end of March 2011.
We will show a playable model of the new system and announce more specifications at the E3 Expo, which will be held June 7-9, 2011 in Los Angeles.
Sales of the new system have not been included in the financial forecasts announced today for the fiscal term ending March 2012.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf&pli=1

http://wiihdrumors.com/confirmed-wii-2-to-be-announced-and-playable-at-e3-2011-probably-not-released-until-after-next-march/

[Mr. Green]

Updated the thread title to reflect the confirmation of the new system.

EDIT: Source from Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/#!5795241/nintendo-confirms-wii-successor

[mmpr grove]

* A “select group” Virtual Console games will be made available in HD (High Definition) for Project Cafe.

*Not all VC games will be made available in high definition. This is due to the money, time, and effort that would be required to convert each game to high definition. Also, not all classic games convert to high definition perfectly. Each game must be individually re-done to take advantage of widescreen HD resolutions and aspect ratios. They will be re-done similarly to how classic games are being redone to take advantage of 3DS’s 3D capabilities.


*Some SNES/Genesis games won’t ever get a high definition widescreen treatment because they turn into a blurry or pixilated mess when converted to widescreen high definition. This is because they weren’t originally designed with widescreen high definition television’s in mind.

*Virtual console games are transferable to Project Café. But if you want the high definition (HD) version of a Wii 1 virtual console game instead of the standard version you own now, you will have to pay full price for the high definition version.


* Nintendo has found a sneaky way to get you to rebuy games that you already bought on virtual console.


*You will NOT receive a free upgrade from standard definition virtual console game that you bought on Wii 1 to a HD version of the same game. If you want HD version, you have to rebuy the game.


*Sega is getting ready to port some of their “Xbox Live Arcade” Genesis HD games (like Sonic) on Project Cafe’s virtual console service.

The currant source i have for this is questionable at best. So takes these new rumors with a table spoon of salt.

[ForeverBlue]

So is some kind of Wii2 (like a DS Lite), or is it just the next major console, the next generation? Because that's what it's starting to look like.

Its an upgrade for Wii to have HD. Project Cafe would be known as Wii 2, Wii HD, Nintendo Stream or Nintendo Feel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Caf%C3%A9

[mmpr grove]

It's not an upgraded wii (LA ndslite). It's their next gen Console. If the rumored graphic card specs are right, P.C will be behind again in graphics.

[Barracuda]

Is it true that they'll have flash drives as the disc?

[mmpr grove]

No! It will be either their own specially formatted blu-ray disc (system won't play real blu rays to get them out of paying fees) or nintendo's patented hologram-disc tech. The hologram disc tech isn't ready yet for mass production at a cheap rate though. So I imagine it will be the blu-ray based disc.

[Digifiend]

Blu-ray based discs confirmed: http://kotaku.com/5797890/nintendos-next-console-will-enter-the-hd-era-but-not-the-hard+drive-era

[Mr. Green]

I wonder if Project Cafe's graphical capabilities will mean new systems represented on Virtual Console. Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast come to mind.

[Fury Diamond]

Just saw Chrono Trigger on the VC Store. They should concentrate on porting more of these classic games before getting support for more systems. There are 1000s of games that they could still port from NES, SNES, and Sega. Maybe Saban needs to talk to Nintendo to port the classic PR games to VC.

[Digifiend]

They need to make a deal with the developers too.

[mmpr grove]

I wonder if Project Cafe's graphical capabilities will mean new systems represented on Virtual Console. Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast come to mind.

The Wii could of easily handle the Sega CD and 32x officially. A emulator for using on the Wii, handles Sega G, 32x and CD very well. Both Sega CD and 32x lack many good games. A ton of 32x and CD games were just arcade/sega g ports with slightly improved graphics and/or expanded sound track. Nothing too special for nintendo to die for.

Nintendo 64 on the other hand could get a boast in rereleases. The whole hardware thing about lacking a memory unit is total nintendo BS. The reason we don't see many n64 VC releases is mainly for two reasons.

1. the games were newer than other VC games, meaning nintendo would of had to pay higher cost out of their pockets to get the games available.

2. Nintendo didn't give the Wii enough built in nano-flash for making Virtual Memory cards. Yes They could of allowed us to use sd cards for this. However Nintendo sees direct reading of data from the SD slot has a security risk. Thus they don't allow it, not even for just save files. Anything saved on a sd card is temp. swapped over to the Wiis built in 512mb.

Nintendo has repeated the second mistake for the 3ds. But double the amount of space available to the user to 1gb.

[Digifiend]

Another N64 problem - it could hurt DS sales. Super Mario 64 is on the DS for example.

[Deker]

Multiple sources are reporting this, so it'll be interesting to see if it ultimately turns out to be true.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/14/new-nintendo-console-at-e3.aspx

It's certainly interesting to think about, and if it does come to fruition, I hope it'll be backward compatible with Wii and Gamecube games.

Wii maybe. Gamecube, extremely likely not.

MOST consoles are only backwards compatible for 1 generation, if that, unless the game is available for download due to emulation.

It's also cost prohibitive to add a bunch of features and capabilities to the system for backwards compatibility for a small group of people. Unless the game is emulated and available for download, the system should only be backwards compatible for one generation at most. The PS3 saved $25 a console when the Emotion Engine was cut out of it, (amongst other things) to help save on money. That $25 or more gets passed onto the consumer as a higher console price to compensate for the cost to have it.

Makes one wonder how people survived with no or limited backwards compatibility prior to the PS2. Whereas now they almost expect it.

[Digifiend]

You're right, Gamecube compatibility will likely be dropped. The DS was only compatible with GBA games, not Classic and Color, and later models (DSi and lite) dropped the GBA compatibility as well. Although in doing so, they caused other problems (Megaman Starforce loses the ability to get one of the strongest weapons, because you can't access a Battle Network cameo which requires a GBA MMBN game in the slot; more worryingly, Pokemon loses the ability to trade between generations).

[Mr. Green]

Another N64 problem - it could hurt DS sales. Super Mario 64 is on the DS for example.

And Ocarina of Time and Star Fox 64 are both coming to the 3DS.

[Mr. Green]

more worryingly, Pokemon loses the ability to trade between generations).

Well, Generation III to Generation IV, anyway.

[Digifiend]

That's what I was referring to - trading from the GBA games to the DS versions. Removing GBA support made the Generation 4 Pokedexes uncompleteable for anyone with the newer model DS systems.

[ForeverBlue]

Here it is, Chriz from RangerVision gave me the link (from YouTube) on MSN this morning:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg

[Mr. Gold]

Just changed the thread title.

[Mr. Green]

Major bump, with major news. The release date has been leaked!

November 18 in the US, November 25 in Japan. No European release date is mentioned: http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1222182p1.html

[mmpr grove]

OLD with a capital O!

[O.92]

The U.S. gets it first!? What!?

[Mr. Green]

^Well, we did get the Wii first, too.

[BiggMatt183]

My Wii works just fine when the new Legend of Zelda comes out ill think about the Wii u

[O.92]

Same. I'll wait for Super Smash Bros. before I fork out the money for this thing.

[Mr. Green]

Here's what the game box art design will basically look like:

http://i.imgur.com/iQlaN.jpg

And yes, Nintendo's confirmed the design as legit. Looks a little too much like the GameCube's box art design to me, but eh.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

As a die hard Nintendo fan this and the 3DS XL are a must for me.

I don't mind the throw back to the Gamecube style box.

[Fury Diamond]

Love that box cover!

[Digifiend]

You're right, Gamecube compatibility will likely be dropped.This has now been proven right.

[Digifiend]

Will Europe get the Wii U in time for Christmas? Seems they can't make them fast enough.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a398806/wii-u-to-experience-european-delay.html

[Mr. Green]

Nintendo's going to be holding a press event in NYC on 9/13: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/21/nintendo-hosting-wii-u-press-event-in-september

I'd say there's a good chance that they'll confirm the release date and price during the event.

[Mr. Green]

Another potential US release date leak! This one comes from Video Product Distributors, which supplies Amazon, Overstock, and Blockbuster. The potential date is November 11th (which is a Sunday, thus fitting NoA's usual release date scheme), and here's the kicker- The console will potentially be available in three different bundles, with the most logical differences being that the more expensive bundles would include (possibly extra) games and/or peripherals:


WIIU SYSTEM - GM - 11/11/12 $249.99
WIIU SYSTEM W/ - GM - 11/11/12 $299.99
WIIU SYSTEM 349 W/ - GM - 11/11/12 $349.99

SOURCE: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/04/report-new-potential-wii-u-release-details-appear

[Fury Diamond]

Anyone else following today's press conference?
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/09/13/watch-american-and-european-wii-u-streams-live/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/wii-u-price-date-us/

Release Date: 11/18
Base Set (8GB): $300
Premium Set (32GB): $350

[Mr. Green]

Only having to pay $50 more for an extra 24GB of memory and other stuff looks to be worthwile, IMO.

Also, Europe will get it on 11/30 and Japan on 12/8. Yes, Japan gets it after both the US and Europe. Now that's a shocker to me.

[Fury Diamond]

I agree. The price difference should've been more significant for the Premium Set to have more value. Possibly 250 for the Basic.

I am really digging this new system.

Pre-orders will start today at Game Stop
http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/GameStop+Now+Taking+Pre-Orders+for+Nintendo+Wii+U/7725151.html

[RedWildForceRanger25]

I am completely excited for this and the news today only fuels the fire even more. ZombiU looks amazing. I LOVE how the touch screen can play full 3D games like Call of Duty. I thought it would only be able to do the side scrolling games.

[Fury Diamond]

I just pre-ordered mine.

[Mr. Green]

Here are the contents of the two bundles:

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/09/WiiU21.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/09/WiiU31.jpg

Totally getting the deluxe set. :D

An on another note, Nintendo also unveiled an entertainment hub for the Wii U called Nintendo TVii, which allows one to watch TV, movies, and sporting events via such services as Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Video: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57512103-235/nintendo-turns-on-tvii-for-wii-u/

It'll be initially available in the US and Canada, and it will be supported by all major cable and satellite providers in that region, and will also be compatible with TiVo.

[Fury Diamond]

Virtual Console games are transferrable, but I wonder how you can do that if you want to trade-in the Wii towards the Wii U.

[Silver Phoenix]

You may either have to transfer them through a card or maybe they'll allow them to be re-downloaded from the e-store.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, probably re-download. They'll know which ones you've already paid for.

[mmpr grove]

Knowing Nintendo, they add a transfer app to the wii. Requiring both systems for the transfer to work.

[XavierSaintCloud]

Even after getting a Wii U, I'd still keep my Wii just because.

[mmpr grove]

Game stop is only giving 50 in credit for the wii towards the price of the wii-u. And that's the normal trade-in price. So many Wiis were sold and made they are not worth very much at trade_in. Not trading my wii in cause my gf wants in and no trade in bonus. Wii U with that price will have to wait along time. Plus I only got a good six months of play out of my wii. Had it for since like 08-09. The games Nintendo gets rarely I find fun in anymore. As I said when I bought my 3DS, my 3DS is my last Nintendo system.

[PowerOnyx]

I buy Nintendo systems for these games:

The Legend of Zelda -- A system seller for me, if only for this title.
Kirby
Mariokart
Warioware
Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros.
Pikmin
Super Mario
Mother (Earthbound)

[Fury Diamond]

They really need to bring back Earthbound :)

[RatherOddRanger]

I was so sad when the N64 version got canned.

[Mr. Green]

Got my Wii U Deluxe Kit preordered! Target was sold out, Walmart was sold out, GameStop was sold out, Kmart was sold out, Amazon was sold out, and Best Buy was sold out. But Toys R Us came through! Totally Psyched! :D

[Mr. Green]

Details regarding how to transfer Virtual Console and WiiWare games (and Miis, too) from Wii to Wii U:


Wii U owners can wirelessly transfer content such as Miis, and WiiWare and Virtual Console games to their Wii U systems. Both systems will need to be connected to the Internet and the Wii U will need an SD card to facilitate the transfer. The process is very similar to transferring content from Nintendo DS to Nintendo 3DS or from Nintendo 3DS to Nintendo 3DS XL;

http://gimmegimmegames.com/2012/09/dont-trade-in-your-wii-yet-nintendo-confirms-that-youll-need-both-your-old-wii-and-wii-u-to-transfer-datagames-between-systems/

[PowerOnyx]

So what about Smash Bros. data?

[Digifiend]

Couldn't they use internet to transfer data, like Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 can do via wifi to obtain the Memory Link data from the original BW games? Surely if the DS is capable of such a thing, a home console should be.

[Silver Phoenix]

Wii U owners can wirelessly transfer content such as Miis, and WiiWare and Virtual Console games to their Wii U systems.

This is a blatant lie right there. You are still using a memory card to transfer the data and both systems have to be connected to the internet. That just shows how ******ed Nintendo is with how they handle any kind of network connectivity. They are also forcing third parties to create their own in-game networks to allow people to play online games. This is seriously lazy and there is no excuse for it.

Now they are also spreading their first party releases into 2013 so you're not going to see many games you'll want to buy for a while. NSMBU is the only game I'd want right now and while it's good to allow for third parties to get some sales it will stagnate the release schedule.

[Mr. Green]

Wanna see what's inside the deluxe set?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGVweirNN40

[Fury Diamond]

Did anyone else pre-order the Wii U?

[mmpr grove]

From what I was reading No Wii-U content will be saveable to the sd card. The SD card is there for Wii software and nothing else. All Wii-U stuff is the internal storage or an usb device up to 2tb. But Nintendo can only guarantee compatibility with a hard drives not flash drives. It's weird wording but hey it's nintendo.

[Mr. Green]

Did anyone else pre-order the Wii U?

I did. Still waiting for my shipping confirmation, though. :straightface:

[Fury Diamond]

I got my tracking confirmation earlier today. Probably will get it on Monday.

[TommyJones1945]

I dont preorder, I feel some kind of satisfaction receiving it over the counter.

[Mr. Green]

^You could've preordered it for in-store pickup, you know.

Meanwhile, mine STILL hasn't shipped. :angry:

[Digifiend]

The Donkey Kong Country trilogy is about to removed from the Wii Shop in Europe. No explanation given. But somehow, I don't think the timing matching up to Wii U's launch is a coincidence. Maybe Virtual Console has a few compatibility issues?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a438992/donkey-kong-country-series-to-be-removed-from-wii-shop.html

[RatherOddRanger]

Could also be something to do with Rare, they made that trilogy.

[Mr. Green]

My Wii U finally has an ETA. :D

It'll be here on Wednesday at the earliest, a week from Tuesday at the latest. Hopefully it comes on Wednesday, since I'll be out of town next weekend to attend my cousin's wedding.

[Digifiend]

WARNING! Don't turn off the console during installation of the day one update, it'll destroy it.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a439337/wii-u-day-one-update-can-brick-console.html

[Mr. Green]

In other news, Reggie is hoping that GTA5 will make its' way to the Wii U at some point: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/19/nintendo-us-boss-hopeful-of-gta-v-on-wii-u

[O.92]

Got a Wii U today. My brother went to Toys R Us and they just had some and were openly selling it.

Haven't tried it yet though. I got the Deluxe edition, the one with Nintendo Land.

[mmpr grove]

The Donkey Kong Country trilogy is about to removed from the Wii Shop in Europe. No explanation given. But somehow, I don't think the timing matching up to Wii U's launch is a coincidence. Maybe Virtual Console has a few compatibility issues?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a438992/donkey-kong-country-series-to-be-removed-from-wii-shop.html

The Virtual Console (both wii & wii-u versions) has yet to be added by Nintendo for the Wii-U...At least in the US. An article with Mr. M also points to problems with The VC being used threw the wii-mode. there is a high possibility that all VC titles have to be repackaged with new costume emulators for outside of wiimode. Speaking of Wii-Mode, it already has been hacked. Smash stack still works and Wii-mode homebrew with some adjustments should very well in the near future.

[Fury Diamond]

Got a Wii U today. My brother went to Toys R Us and they just had some and were openly selling it.

Awesome! Sounds like he got there at a good time to pick one up. Still waiting on mine. It's been "Out for Delivery" for 12 hours despite the fact that the UPS office is 5 minutes away. :)

[Mr. Green]

Still waiting on mine too, though to be fair, since mine isn't expected to be delivered until Wednesday at the earliest, it probably won't ship until tomorrow at the earliest. Once we all have ours, we should totally exchange Nintendo Network IDs. :)

[Rangermon]

You guys in America are lucky as hell, I've been waiting for this console for such a long time. It comes out on 30th here but I have to wait until January -_- Hoping Power Rangers Megaforce gets made for Wii U and not just Wii - Rangers in HD and possibly use NFC "Power Cards" to input weapons into the game, etc...?

EDIT:
@O.92 I read your first comment on this topic just now, from back in 2011... You thought it was an HD Wii lol Next gen is finally here! (Although technically, 3DS and Vita started the 8th Gen).

[Silver Phoenix]

The Wii U is hardly considered next-gen, it's more like current gen. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 have better processing power but the Wii U has more RAM. It's essentially Nintendo's updated version of a Dreamcast. Whether is succeeds or fails is up to the developers and how they choose to use the system.

[mmpr grove]

http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-toolchain-is-fighting-us-every-step-of-the-way.337809/

This link explains the problems with some of the ports made for the wii-u. Because of an unfamilar tool chain nintendo went with, making ports is problematic for now.

The PS3 & Xbox do have better CPUs but the Wii-U has a better GPU confirmed by ifix. They also note the wii-u is actually using older slower ram chips to keep the price down. This is causing even the non-port 3rd party games to have frameware drops. The Wii-u has half of it's ram reserved for the OS. The other 512 is software only.

So wants devs get over the these two things 3rd party games should improve.

[Fury Diamond]

I got the Wii U system set up last night. The first update took awhile to download and install. The Wii to Wii U transfer was very straightforward with the cute animation. I watched my wife play Nintendo Land. The games look entertaining and the Gamepad game play is fantastic. The graphics rendering is a beautiful upgrade from the Wii.

[Mr. Green]

My Wii U shipped! :D

Looks like a good chance it'll come tomorrow. :)

EDIT:

So it turns out it's possible to download system updates and use the console at the same time:


We can't test it on our already-updated Wii Us, but those of you who are just getting a system might want to try this out: When the system asks if you want to update the firmware, don't do it. Click "cancel". If you've already set up a Wi-Fi connection, the firmware update will supposedly download in the background. Later, if you're prompted again, it should be saved in your system, waiting to be installed.

http://kotaku.com/5962224/you-might-be-able-to-download-the-wii-us-firmware-update-in-the-background

[PowerOnyx]

In other news, Reggie is hoping that GTA5 will make its' way to the Wii U at some point: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/19/nintendo-us-boss-hopeful-of-gta-v-on-wii-u

According to Rockstar: "If a certain console works the way it should..."

Is there hope for GTA on a Nintendo system?
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Side note:

I would like to see backward compatibility with DS and DSi games for the WiiU.

It is technically a home console version of the DS.

TV--Top screen of DS
WiiU pad---Bottom touch screen of DS
Camera--DSi camera



And while we're at it...Virtual Console GBA games.

[Digifiend]

DS compatibility won't happen because the 3DS already has that feature. VC GBA would definitely be popular on 3DS as well... in fact, if they could make it so that the Generation 4 Pokemon games can detect their save files (program the system so that those games think the save files are on a physical slotted gamepak instead of saved to the console), then that would solve the Pal Park incompatibility problem those games have. The same feature would benefit MegaMan Starforce 1 and 2 and MegaMan Battle Network 5 Double Team DS (and probably a few other games), which use the defunct slot in feature for unlockables.

One thing the Wii U will have, is Gamecube VC games, due to the backwards compatibility for those being removed.

[Mr. Green]

My Wii U came! :D

Downloading the system update right now...

[Digifiend]

Woah, I didn't think Wii U was a portable!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a440949/wii-u-capable-of-portable-gaming-owner-plays-on-a-train-pictures.html

[Silver Phoenix]

Woah, I didn't think Wii U was a portable!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a440949/wii-u-capable-of-portable-gaming-owner-plays-on-a-train-pictures.html

Yes, portable with an available power socket and a console to lug around. I can't wait for the Wii U XL!

[Digifiend]

Yeah, I was sarcastically quoting the article I linked to - most trains do not have plug sockets like that Japanese bullet train does.

Anyway, the Wii Mini has been announced - but it lacks online and Gamecube support.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a441132/wii-mini-confirmed-launching-december-7-first-images.html

[Poweranimals]

So is anyone gonna post their Nintendo Network IDs? Mine is poweranimals.

[Mr. Green]

^Mine is ces715. :)

EDIT: Made a list on the first post. Just post your Nintendo network ID and I'll add it to the list. :)

[Fury Diamond]

I'll post mine when I get my fandom Network ID set up. I was planning on doing it this weekend, but was catching up with PS3 gaming.

[O.92]

Mine is kUpo1121. It was my brother's idea.

[Silver Phoenix]

I don't have mine yet and I hope I can use the name I want to use. Otherwise I'll wish death upon anyone who has taken it! :angry:

[Rangermon]

http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-toolchain-is-fighting-us-every-step-of-the-way.337809/

This link explains the problems with some of the ports made for the wii-u. Because of an unfamilar tool chain nintendo went with, making ports is problematic for now.

The PS3 & Xbox do have better CPUs but the Wii-U has a better GPU confirmed by ifix. They also note the wii-u is actually using older slower ram chips to keep the price down. This is causing even the non-port 3rd party games to have frameware drops. The Wii-u has half of it's ram reserved for the OS. The other 512 is software only.

I think what people (and early developers, especially with ports and multiplatform titles) don't get is that it has a GPGPU - which actually takes jobs a more powerful CPU would do and does them just as well INSTEAD, if not, better. It also allows for creative ways to enhance the game (especially visuals), which the developer of Toki Tori II tweeted about - saying he'd found out how to use it.

EDIT: Just thought I'd let you know, you got that wrong. It has 2GB RAM, 1GB for OS and 1GB for software.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

Does the Nintendo TVii thing cost and does it require an already existing cable hook up?

[Tiger Lily]

The Nintendo TVii is free. So it doesn't cost a thing.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

Okay, but do you need an already existing cable system?

[Tiger Lily]

I really don't know about that. Is true that the Wii Games can be played on the Wii U?

[Digifiend]

Yeah, but Gamecube ones cannot.

[Mr. Green]

^Though Nintendo is considering putting Gamecube games on Wii U's eShop.


Okay, but do you need an already existing cable system?

If this screenshot is any indication, yes:

http://wiiudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/tvii-setup.jpg

Meanwhile in other Wii U-related news, thieves stole 7,000 (SEVEN-THOUSAND!) Wii U's from a warehouse in Seattle near SeaTac airport: http://kotaku.com/5969557/thieves-make-off-with-7000-wii-us-in-daring-warehouse-heist

[Fury Diamond]

2.1 million dollars in Wii U. What is this world coming to?

[Silver Phoenix]

I don't know what these idiots were thinking unless they're going to mod all of the systems and sell them as something else. The Wii U isn't even in demand enough to warrant 7,000 ending up on Craigslist or ebay unless they planned to sell them cheaper.

Btw, Tvii obviously required a cable provider because it connects to your current service for operation. Any other service will be on demand via Netflix or Amazon Video.

[Rangermon]

I got my Wii U on Christmas Day... People are trolling ZombiU by painting false info on walls or just pointless things for a laugh haha. New Super Mario Bros. U completely sold out on Boxing Day alone in the store near me in the UK, their whole shipment gone.

I'm still hoping Saban won't make a half-assed Megaforce game next year... Preferably, they'll make a decent game on Wii U (potentially using the Near-Field Communication with cards to access things in-game).

[Digifiend]

If Namco Bandai have any sense, they'll include a card reader which would work in a similar manner to the Skylanders attachment (I assume that uses this Near-Field Communication thing you mentioned).

[mmpr grove]

In theory they wouldn't need an attachment (except as an excuse to charge more starting out) because the Wii-U has a NFC built-in to the gamepad. Just slap a card on top of the NFC spot and you'd be golden.

[Neo Aguni]

I got a nintendo WII-U for christmas and am loving it

[Silver Phoenix]

The only Power Rangers game we'll see is some horribly designed beatem up in the same vein as Samurai. I haven't bought or played a Power Rangers game since the Genesis/SNES era and even then they weren't that great.

They might have been fun in some respects but overall just not great quality. I had the most fun with the Power Rangers the Movie game on Genesis. The last Power Rangers game I got was Zeo Pinball on the PlayStation 1.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, you're probably right, but it would be cool if they translated and ported the original Dice-O (which was released with Goseiger).

[PowerOnyx]

One thing the Wii U will have, is Gamecube VC games, due to the backwards compatibility for those being removed.

I kept my Gamecube system because I have a Gameboy Player for it. (For Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance games) Mole Mania lives on!!

My fingers are crossed for a WiiU-3DS connectivity feature.


Plus I have--

Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Animal Crossing w/ E-Reader, Mariokart: Double Dash w/ Bonus Disc, Zelda: Windwaker, Zelda: Four: Swords, Pac-Man VS., Billy Hatcher & the Giant Egg (for Nights), WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!, Metroid Prime, and the Gamecube Preview Disc...

All of which all have a GC-GBA connectivity feature.

I basically kept all of my Gamecube games. I'll take any excuse to replay Cubivore or Windwaker or Beyond Good & Evil.

[Digifiend]

I have the PC version of Beyond Good and Evil.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

Major announcements for the Wii U today:

Nothing in the terms of details, but a lot more will be said at E3 in June.

New HD Zelda which kind of sounds like a reboot for the franchise, also an HD Remake of Wind Waker.

New Yoshi game being made by the same company that did Kirby's Epic Yarn.

New 3D Mario game.

[O.92]

After I read about Smash Bros., I don't think anything else in that announcement mattered. Can't wait to see it at E3, even though it probably won't be much to show.

[PowerOnyx]

Major announcements for the Wii U today:

Nothing in the terms of details, but a lot more will be said at E3 in June.

New HD Zelda which kind of sounds like a reboot for the franchise, also an HD Remake of Wind Waker.

New Yoshi game being made by the same company that did Kirby's Epic Yarn.

New 3D Mario game.

An excuse to replay WindWaker?!!
Will I get motion controls via the Wiimote? Or Touch controls like the DS? Or both? Can I use the WiiU pad as the Pictobox for the figurines? Or for my telescope? Use the Wiimote to wave the Wind baton? Swing with my grappling hook? Or Deku Leaf? Or arrows? Or Hookshot? What will become of the Tingle Tuner?

I am actually excited to see this game revived on this system. Must buy Windwaker....again.


Yoshi Story returns? I'd like to see that. Especially, if it is done in the vein of Kirby's Epic Yarn.

I want a new Luigi's Mansion on the WiiU and NOT on the 3DS. (I'm still going to get that one though.)

[RedWildForceRanger25]

^

Yep, as if one needs a good excuse to go back and play a Zelda game though right? lol. But as far as details go for it, beyond being able to play it on either the tv or the touch pad there isn't much. However they did say that all will be revealed in June at E3.

[Rangermon]

I would've given them props if they used Windows 8. I mentioned this to SB several times that a collaboration with Microsoft could provide additional marketing opportunities.

Only problem with that is Microsoft would demand exclusivity for console games... I don't want that. I want a decent HD/3D game on my Wii U or 3DS.

[Silver Phoenix]

Don't tell me you're another Nintendo fanboy, Rangermon.

A better game could be made on systems with proper online networks with better tech than the barely better than current gen Wii U. Unfortunately most Power Ranger games are average games to begin with because they're not made by skilled developers.

[HAWK]

Don't tell me you're another Nintendo fanboy, Rangermon.

A better game could be made on systems with proper online networks with better tech than the barely better than current gen Wii U. Unfortunately most Power Ranger games are average games to begin with because they're not made by skilled developers.

Personally, I'm not a Nintendo fanboy (although I do enjoy the majority of their games) and own most systems ever released, but I couldn't disagree more with your statement about a better game could be made on systems with proper online networks with better tech. First example would be Vita VS 3DS. Vita has better specs and is more powerful, but I have yet to see a really great game on there except for Persona 4 Golden. Yet the 3DS has far better games then Persona 4 on it's inferior hardware. Fire Emblem: Awakening alone blows it away. RE: Revelations, Super Mario 3D Land, Kid Icarus Uprising, Theatrhythm, Kingdom Hearts 3D, etc. Now look at last gen. All 3 consoles had some great games and all had great exclusives. Yet when you look at games like the Mario Galaxy games, Zelda TP and SS, and Xenoblade, just as a small groupings, personally, I had more enjoyment there then on any of the 360 or PS3 games I've played since both of their launches. Hell I put 90 hours into Xenoblade alone. More then I put into Disgaea 3 and 4, or Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3, or GTA 4, or Tales of Graces f, or Lost Odyssey, or Blue Dragon, or Demon/Dark Souls, etc etc. Point is, it's not the hardware, it's the game developers. So yes, a game could be made for the Wii U that will blow away anything the Durango/Orbis does. Will it happen? Only time will tell. So far X has me more excited then any prospected game coming out on Microsoft or Sony's next system.

[Rangermon]

Don't tell me you're another Nintendo fanboy, Rangermon.

A better game could be made on systems with proper online networks with better tech than the barely better than current gen Wii U. Unfortunately most Power Ranger games are average games to begin with because they're not made by skilled developers.

You call me a fanboy and there you are bashing anything Nintendo, just because you love your "hardcore" consoles. Wii U does have a proper online network and is also Next Generation. You've all skewed the definition of next generation, which literally means successor to the previous. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be called something and then have someone act like the kind of person they're trying to insult.

I'd happily play XBox if I could afford one... better than hardcore-rallying, money grabbing bullies at Sony. I do agree with you on the PR games being average but Namco Bandai aren't that great with original western games.

[Nebula Ranger]

^
Rangermon, you've got my back.

But I like Nintendo more than Sony and Microsoft and if that makes me a fanboy then I'll proudly admit it.

Microsoft put their logo on the smallest print possible because their afraid less people will by the Xbox 360 with their name on it and Sony sell the PS3 for less than it cost to make it just to get a Blu-Ray player in everyones household.

Wii outsold both PS3 and Xbox 360 despite it being called weaker. And Wii U made more money than the Wii.

If the Wii is so inferior, why did Sony resort to copying it with that pathetic playstation move and Microsoft with their stupid Kinect Sports?

Yeah, I could go on and on but it's necessary to remind everyone that Nintendo is better than the Call of Duty crowd believe.

[Silver Phoenix]

The post you just made proves my point exactly. Never once did I mention a system or preference. I am a multi-system owner. You're bashing Microsoft and Sony, and of all companies you call Sony a bully? What planet do you live on?

Microsoft is the money grabbing "bully" if you want to point a finger at a company, and it just goes to show how little you know of the industry because MS hurts the other companies with their tactics. Nintendo does not have a proper online network because they expect their 3rd parties to create their own servers for their games. Miiverse is not an online network like PSN or Xbox Live even though it tries to make people think that it is. Their entire online functionality needs to be fixed because of how slow apps load and other issues. They'll be patching some things and changing as they go.

As for the Move and Kinect, you probably never head of the PlayStation Eyetoy (PS1) and later the PSEye (PS2). They were before Nintendo and Microsoft. The Move and Kinect are an addition to the systems, not a requirement.

I own a Wii U and it is current gen with upgrades, and when the next two systems launch you'll understand why. Back on topic, it's smarter for the publisher to make a multi-console Power Ranger game to boost sales and interest in the game. The problem is that you have low-level developers making these games and they're published by NamcoBandai or whoever holds the game licenses.

An arcade style beat'em up would be better for a MegaForce style game especially when the season changes to bring in former rangers.

[HAWK]

^

Just to point out, The Playstation EyeToy was on PS2, not PS1. The PSEye is on PS3. The EyeToy was released October 2003. The Game Boy Camera was released in 1998. So your point there is invalid. The Wiimote wasn't a requirement for all games either. Many games supported GCN controllers, the classic controller, the classic controller plus, or the wiimote held horizontally like an NES controller. The difference is that there are some really great games that use the Wiimote/nun-chuck. There really isn't anything great that uses the Move or the Kinect. The Wii U is Next Generation. It is the first home console of the eighth generation. Only other systems in that gen atm are the 3DS and Vita, both portable.

It would be great to see PR games appear on all consoles but they haven't really had a good game since the 16-bit days.

[Silver Phoenix]

The GameBoy Camera is a different functionality entirely and doesn't track movement for games, so "your" point is invalid. The Wii remote is a key factor for the Wii as the gamepad is a main factor for the Wii U. The other controllers are an option, but the Wii remote is still a requirement for multiplayer. Kinect and Move are additions, not requirements for main system use.

I wasn't sure and for whatever reason I was thinking the Eyetoy came out on PS1. The PSEye is essentially the same thing from PS2-PS3 as it wasn't changed afaik.

[HAWK]

^

The Wiimote was only a key factor to get the system into houses. It very quickly became useful for only certain games. Much like the 3D on the 3DS. Hell the Wii even launched with the classic controller (and GCN support) and many of the launch games displayed those logos on their boxes to let consumers know there were other ways to play. And once the Wii sold well enough, Nintendo switched focus entirely with games like DKC Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, etc to show how unnecessary the Wiimote was. Hell both Monster Hunter 3 Tri and Goldeneye 007 came with Classic Controller Plus bundles. Meanwhile both Microsoft and Sony saw Nintendo's success, tried to replicate it, and for several years all we got were "Better with Kinect", Kinect only, "Move Enhanced", and Move only games. None of those were successful (even though the Kinect did sell well but had a low attach rate of software). It was painfully obvious that Sony/Microsoft were copying and it didn't really pay off for them. Unless you think things like Wonderbook is a good idea (I have it, watched my wife play it, waste of $20). Kinect has some interesting technology and has some great applications if used correctly. Durango seams like it will have Kinect 2.0 and be required to play any game...or at least that's what the rumor is.

[Silver Phoenix]

Companies always steal ideas from each other and try to improve on them. This is not a new thing. As for the Wii remote and the gamepad, the systems were designed around those gimmicks of selling the system. There is a reason a gamepad for the Wii U costs half the price of the system if you tried to buy one separately through Nintendo if you damaged or broke your original.

Too much money went into the controller and not the system. The Wii was a casual gamer system and it sold because of the "family/party" aspect. Developers and 3rd parties lost interest in the system after a while and next to no big games were made for the system. Nintendo makes great first party games which is a reason for their success and also partly to blame for their failure with 3rd party support. 3rd party games just don't sell on Nintendo systems compared to the competitors.

It's an insult for you to say no Move games were successful. The idea of the Move is a different way to play in addition to a standard controller, and many games support it that aren't motion control specific games. It wasn't shoved down the consumers throat like Microsoft does with the Kinect. Frankly I wouldn't say Kinect has ANY good games aside from Dance Central. It's a lot of crap filler much like the Wii. Obviously those filler games are made for The Move as well, but you're going to find games like Sorcery that are as good as standard controlled games.

What is good and what isn't is just based on opinion, and a lot of bad quality games sell extremely well because of marketing and advertising.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

I love Nintendo, always have and always will. Nintendo just has the first party titles that I want. Their systems are always well built. Plus they will have an advantage over the next M$ and PS4 in terms of price if the PS3 and 360 are anything to go by, cheaper AND having the big 3rd party games.

I look forward to getting the Wii U as well as the Xbox 720, No Playstation 4 for me, Playstation just doesn't have anything that appeals to me, they never have.

[Fury Diamond]

The Wii U System Update 3.0 is now available for download.
http://www.examiner.com/article/nintendo-wii-u-system-update-now-available-new-features-detailed

[BiggMatt183]

Me and the Mises wanna update to a Wii U but I'm holding out til a Legend of Zelda title is announced with an official release date

[Mr. Green]

^They have announced an HD remake of Wind Waker.

[Rangermon]

The post you just made proves my point exactly. Never once did I mention a system or preference. I am a multi-system owner. You're bashing Microsoft and Sony, and of all companies you call Sony a bully? What planet do you live on?

Microsoft is the money grabbing "bully" if you want to point a finger at a company, and it just goes to show how little you know of the industry because MS hurts the other companies with their tactics. Nintendo does not have a proper online network because they expect their 3rd parties to create their own servers for their games. Miiverse is not an online network like PSN or Xbox Live even though it tries to make people think that it is. Their entire online functionality needs to be fixed because of how slow apps load and other issues. They'll be patching some things and changing as they go.

As for the Move and Kinect, you probably never head of the PlayStation Eyetoy (PS1) and later the PSEye (PS2). They were before Nintendo and Microsoft. The Move and Kinect are an addition to the systems, not a requirement.

I own a Wii U and it is current gen with upgrades, and when the next two systems launch you'll understand why. Back on topic, it's smarter for the publisher to make a multi-console Power Ranger game to boost sales and interest in the game. The problem is that you have low-level developers making these games and they're published by NamcoBandai or whoever holds the game licenses.

An arcade style beat'em up would be better for a MegaForce style game especially when the season changes to bring in former rangers.

I know this conversation was a while back but I didn't mean that you're a fanboy of a specific console - I meant you only want to see hardcore stuff, you have no open mind towards it. It's all about power, power, power for you. Next Generation (by definition) has no relation to specific power of a console. It literally is the next system from a company, to replace the one before as the new console. It's been skewed so much though, and it isn't correct.

I know that Microsoft uses ideas and makes them original and while I don't like the big head people at Microsoft, I believe the staff are a more open minded and passionate about gaming experiences than Sony. Sony literally (I'm mainly speaking the US division who are more heard from) just rip others and copy ideas, without much originality to them - they don't make anything drastically different with a similar idea. I prefer a quiet company, who has more passion and innovation than just money and copying things closely, that's all.

[Silver Phoenix]

I know that Microsoft uses ideas and makes them original and while I don't like the big head people at Microsoft, I believe the staff are a more open minded and passionate about gaming experiences than Sony. Sony literally (I'm mainly speaking the US division who are more heard from) just rip others and copy ideas, without much originality to them - they don't make anything drastically different with a similar idea. I prefer a quiet company, who has more passion and innovation than just money and copying things closely, that's all.

This remark alone shows that you have no clue about the gaming industry. You really are in the dark and you have to be more open-minded to see just how wrong you are when you assume things about Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft. I can see where your venom is coming from in a post I made in the E3 thread that has nothing to do with anything outside of the facts, but all you see is Nintendo bashing whenever someone says something you don't agree with. I have no interest in proving how wrong you are, you're just going to have to learn on your own if ever.

I used to be a Sega fanboy back in the 16bit era, even though I owned both systems. I learned more about the industry and even worked with companies in various ways over the years. I learned more about companies and their practices, and let me tell you that all of them will disappoint you the more you learn about them.