What would you want to see in PRs version of gokaiger?

[Gokaichanger]

Would you want to see a original story (like the older seasons) or a adaptation (like samurai or time force)?

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The Sentai premise (an ancient enemy who depowered most of the previous teams of Rangers) and a US-original storyline.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, the Legend War needs refilming anyway, because I can't see them explaining the unused teams until their Gokai Changes show up. Also, I won't be surprised to see the Goranger scene from episode 1 replaced with an MMPR one.

Of course the Silver Ranger would get a few extra Ranger Keys that aren't in Gokaiger - Titanium Ranger and the three Jungle Fury Spirit Rangers (like Samurai Gold, they'll probably have to redesign his morpher to reflect this).

[shielded117]

1. Refilm Legend War to only have the Mighty Morphin team through the current (Gosei's adaptation)
2. Like Digifiend said, replace Gorangers in Ep. 1 with the MMPR, and using the Power Blaster.
3. After using a Pre-Zyu key, have it explained that the Rangers of other planets have lent their power to help the Terran Rangers in their fight against the "Zangyak"
4. When the Goranger tribute episode comes up, explain this was the team when Power Rangers were first called Rangers.
5. I'm not sure what to do about the Silver Ranger because of his "Gold Ranger Mode". They would have to redesign his chest plate to include the Titanium Ranger at the very least. And I'm curious as to how they treat the Magna Defender as he actually did transform whereas Bullblack did not.

[Mr. Gold]

I would also like to see some Ranger alums return as guest appearances, depending on their schedules and interest and whatnot.

[RatherOddRanger]

I have no problem with them using pre-ZyuRanger teams but what I would like would a US created villian to go with that US original storyline.

[Digifiend]

5. I'm not sure what to do about the Silver Ranger because of his "Gold Ranger Mode". They would have to redesign his chest plate to include the Titanium Ranger at the very least. And I'm curious as to how they treat the Magna Defender as he actually did transform whereas Bullblack did not.They can't redesign him because the footage won't match. And Mike's Sentai counterpart did henshin - but he used his sword as a morpher. The Magna Defender morphing sequence was hacked from Gingaman.

By the way, there won't be a Goranger tribute episode, that's the movie.

[SilverPirate]

-No Legend War; Tommy and several others used more than one Ranger power, so it'd be hard to explain.
-Different storyline.
-Pre-Zyuranger suits.

[TimeKaiser]

-No Legend War; Tommy and several others used more than one Ranger power, so it'd be hard to explain.

People keep forgetting about the Green Ranger clone that decided to live in the past?

[Super Jeff]

This could be a way to do a hexagon season

[shielded117]

How is it too difficult to explain? They needed all the ranger powers, so they filled in spots where they needed to.

Or to really blow their minds, just strap a few morphers on to Tommy as he's the main holdup. (FTR, I jest)

[Thrax]

The Sentai premise (an ancient enemy who depowered most of the previous teams of Rangers) and a US-original storyline.

That could really work a Ancient Evil Villan all teams have to join forces to destroy him for good !!!

Someone of the United Alliance of Evil or Created a Ancient Monarc of Evil something like the kind of Dark Specter like a Brother of the Dark Specter.

[denzel]

That could really work a Ancient Evil Villan all teams have to join forces to destroy him for good !!!

Someone of the United Alliance of Evil or Created a Ancient Monarc of Evil something like the kind of Dark Specter like a Brother of the Dark Specter.

Or dark specter can just come back

[Digifiend]

Darkonda killed him, remember?

[YellowAccel]

Darkonda killed him, remember?

Vypra too but she came back lol

[Digifiend]

Vypra too but she came back lolShe never went kaboom though.
People keep forgetting about the Green Ranger clone that decided to live in the past?Yeah, the clone can have green, White Stranger can have white. TJ's Robot Ranger can have Turbo. That just leaves Zeo and Dino Thunder.

[TOMMYWALES87]

original story all the way as all seasons should.
also good decent stories, more action/fighting, adventures, decent characters,

[Zeno503]

I'm just wondering if the PRIS/T members will be shown as Turbo rangers with Andros and Zhane representing Space rangers, or will it be Space Rangers with Dustin representing Turbo.

...Now that I think about it, this could be the perfect opportunity for Dustin to come to the show as a grown up. Probably not being a Pirate ranger, but who knows just maybe.

[YellowAccel]

@Zeno503: It's Justin not Dustin. Dustin is the yellow ranger in Ninja Storm ;)

[mmpr grove]

I want them to say, the keys were created as a replacement for grid stations. Giving each ranger a direct safe connection, as a way to prevent someone like Thrax from cutting them off again.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

What would it take to get the guy who wrote the first half of RPM back on board? It seemed he knew how to write some pretty decent stories. When I was watching it, before I quit, I did like the few episodes that I saw, it was one of the more serious seasons I had seen for a while.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Eddie is incapable of working within a budget or schedule. He has no experience in live-action. It shows.

[Gokaichanger]

I would like some info on Zordon in this series at least have him play a role in some way like having him comeback somehow after dying. Maybe he could even be reincarnated as AkaRed? or even bring more story on the Morphing Grid

[Cmdr Crayfish]

What more story on Zordon do you want? What more about the Grid do you want?

[RedWildForceRanger25]

Well they need to do something different. I mean a direct adaptation can only work for so long, I would think someone who started the series would know that. But it did work for Time Force, it sort of worked for Wild Force and is kind of working for Samurai, I mean in this seasons case what do you want? They're Samurai Warriors, and something like that would be difficult to make an Americanized story without being a carbon copy of Ninja Strom, because a Samurai school would be about the only way. But I do miss the original American storyline for MMPR-Space.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

That statement belies a staggering lack of imagination. Olesker's asinine contest last year solicited DOZENS of Shinkenger adaptation pitches that used the source footage and were mostly original. This is the crap Amit used to say in 2002 that I KNEW came from Jonathan. "What else can you do without shooting tons of American footage?" The first season was relentless in using Zyuranger footage and it still told original stories. Recontextualizing footage is not hard. Good lord, Robotech Masters is incredibly unlike Southern Cross and other than a few select edits the footage is identical. I can tell you RIGHT NOW what Ryland's and my pitch for Olesker's contest (done as a laugh) was, and it uses Shinkenger without adapting any of the Shinken storylines.

[shielded117]

I want them to say, the keys were created as a replacement for gird stations. Giving each ranger a direct safe connection, as a way to prevent someone like Thrax from cutting them off again.

I actually really like that...

Perhaps the Morphing Masters, wishing to put more order in how the grid is accessed and add some uniformity, created the Ranger Keys. Each key is tied to their specific color and spectrum of the Grid, thus restoring powers that had seemingly become inaccessible.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

... But the Masters are millions of years old, possibly dead (Zordon never speaks of them as contemporaneous), and vastly predate the Power Rangers as we know them.

[mmpr grove]

I actually really like that...

Perhaps the Morphing Masters, wishing to put more order in how the grid is accessed and add some uniformity, created the Ranger Keys. Each key is tied to their specific color and spectrum of the Grid, thus restoring powers that had seemingly become inaccessible.

Maybe use the phantom ranger in this perhaps? He could be the storage of all the "dead" MMs souls. PR either takes the place of akared or have akared a master and he escapes PR's body to give a helping hand, against the others wishes.

[ForeverBlue]

@Zeno503: It's Justin not Dustin. Dustin is the yellow ranger in Ninja Storm ;)

He got the names mixed up apparently lol


Anyways, I went for original story

[Samurai Pink]

So how would an original story work? Goukaiger uses ranger keys and somewhat protects the earth, it should be simple to adapt. Accept for the ranger teams that are mainly japanese (before Zyuranger), I wonder how they would work that into the season?

[shielded117]

... But the Masters are millions of years old, possibly dead (Zordon never speaks of them as contemporaneous), and vastly predate the Power Rangers as we know them.

Despite the age of the Masters, I think that Zordon's wording left it open enough that they could still be utilized. We know that they existed eons ago, that they were immensely powerful, and that they believed their ancestors would watch over the Power Eggs. By this point, the Masters could have become transcendent beings as it would seem that the Venerated Ancestors had.

Or perhaps Ninjor and Sentinel Knight are what the Masters have become? Known well enough regarding the Power Eggs that they decided to fade into obscurity, to the point where Zordon believes Ninjor is only a myth and does not even know that he was/is one of the Masters?

Oh boy, I'm getting real fanwanky now.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Yeah, that's my thing. Then we're not even using the show Masters anymore, we're just expressly using the fanfic ones.

[Thrax]

So how would an original story work? Goukaiger uses ranger keys and somewhat protects the earth, it should be simple to adapt. Accept for the ranger teams that are mainly japanese (before Zyuranger), I wonder how they would work that into the season?

A Original Story created works really well, a villan come from the Samerian planet

[Koji]

One wonders if they would skip Titanium, A-Squad and Spirit Ranger Keys, or find a way to explain around them, assuming Tzachor/whoever's in charge at this point cares enough to go into that.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

If you wanted to be AWESOME? The Phantom Ranger has those. He's not giving them up.

[Digifiend]

One wonders if they would skip Titanium, A-Squad and Spirit Ranger Keys, or find a way to explain around them, assuming Tzachor/whoever's in charge at this point cares enough to go into that.They'll obviously only appear in US footage. A-squad probably won't get keys at all though... their suits were just PRiS helmets repainted, and motocross gear from Ninja Storm. And since we'd be seeing the Space Ranger suits in that season, it'd be too confusing.

[Metal Rider]

for pre Zyu Keys just say the Red pirates stole power from alien rangers, literally all that is needed is one line on the subject

[Digifiend]

It does stand to reason that Aquitar, like Earth, had multiple sets of ranger powers.

[shielded117]

I would find it immensely great if Basco's counterpart would hold onto the Titanium, A-Squad, and Spirit Ranger keys for a while (if not the season) to use with his trumpet. Heck, maybe even have some Psycho Ranger keys. It would definitely help give the Gokaiger adaptation its own identity.

[Takeru]

Haha,only 2 voted for adaption haha :P and shielded,aparently Bullblack isnt considered a Sixth hero,so they wouldnt even bother,he's considred an "Allie" yippie Yet Goseiknight has no human form,nor a henshin sequence,but he is considred a "Sixth Hero"? WTF lol

[Digifiend]

I would find it immensely great if Basco's counterpart would hold onto the Titanium, A-Squad, and Spirit Ranger keys for a while (if not the season) to use with his trumpet. Heck, maybe even have some Psycho Ranger keys. It would definitely help give the Gokaiger adaptation its own identity.Basco has an exposed face, so all of his scenes need to be refilmed. They don't have to use the trumpet at all.

[Ryan Steele]

The Magna Defender morphing sequence was hacked from Gingaman.


Mike was using a dairanger morpher, apart from the sword to morph

[SapphireBuster]

Haha,only 2 voted for adaption haha :P and shielded,aparently Bullblack isnt considered a Sixth hero,so they wouldnt even bother,he's considred an "Allie" yippie Yet Goseiknight has no human form,nor a henshin sequence,but he is considred a "Sixth Hero"? WTF lol

GoseiKnight uses the same powers as the Goseiger, he was marketed as the sixth ranger, and he has Gosei in his name. None of which Kuro Kishi has.

[shielded117]

Basco has an exposed face, so all of his scenes need to be refilmed. They don't have to use the trumpet at all.

No, they don't (have to use the trumpet), but with Tzachor's philosophy, I can't see them not using the character of Basco or his trumpet.

[Metal Rider]

besides the trumpet summon looks cool and in the american version they can have the dragon flute song coming out of it

[Ryan Steele]

What if Basco is Tommy, that would rule!

[Digifiend]

Mike was using a dairanger morpher, apart from the sword to morphTrue, but compare the KuroKishi and Magna Defender morphing sequences. They're identical, apart from the close up at the start of Mike turning the morpher handle. The morphed part of it was actually Sentai footage, like the in Space morphs.

[MintBuster]

Original Story but with a war within Eltar that would end up on Earth after Red Ranger's father the king died. Red Ranger would be sent to Earth with the morphers with his brother the silver ranger (who dies in battlon the way to Earth & looses his morpher on Earth). Red Ranger would pick humans for his team to help him after some former rangers joined Ivan Ooze (Same as the movie villian but remaded for the show) & his Eltar Empire who are heading to Earth to attack.

[gokaiblue]

I think a mix of both would be nice. A little bit of adaptation, and a little bit of original story. It balances out, I suppose.

[Neo Aguni]

I doubt we'll get one. Saban's deal with nick lasts three years, and they've split Samurai over the course of two. So even if Saban gets an extension they may skip Gokaiger for what comes after them

[shielded117]

Samurai being over the course of two years was in one article and one article only.

Gokaiger will be adapted. Saban has to adapt it due to contracts with Toei. If they don't adapt it in some way, then they cannot adapt anything.

[Huzzah]

We've established that Space Pirates do exist in the PR Universe...so playing of that we could bring back someone like say...Divatox (since she was purified and needs some redemption) have some influence over the team, maybe as a mentor figure. Plus we could totally see her using the old brown cloak that has been used several times in PR with Divatox pulling an Astronema and disguising herself as her old self to gain some information.

[Mr. Yellow]

Akared could be replaced by Zordon or Zordon's son or something.

[Ryan Steele]

Original Story but with a war within Eltar that would end up on Earth after Red Ranger's father the king died. Red Ranger would be sent to Earth with the morphers with his brother the silver ranger (who dies in battlon the way to Earth & looses his morpher on Earth). Red Ranger would pick humans for his team to help him after some former rangers joined Ivan Ooze (Same as the movie villian but remaded for the show) & his Eltar Empire who are heading to Earth to attack.

That would be nice. Ivan Ooze must finally enter the show

[Digifiend]

Fox has the rights to Ivan, not Saban. He's banned from appearing in the show.

Akared's suit could be used, if they avoid close ups of the 35th anniversary Super Sentai logo. They could change it for a similar one saying 20th anniversary Power Rangers I guess. Remember, MMPR's belt buckles were changed.

And with the number of skipped weeks so far (only two, although we have three more this month) we're on course to finish Samurai within 52 weeks of starting.

[BlackRangerPower]

Fox has the rights to Ivan, not Saban. He's banned from appearing in the show.

Wouldn't it be more like having to pay a fee to use him?

[SanyuMiyazaki]

It possibly would.

What I would like to see in a Gokaiger adaptation is the use of the instrumental theme songs when the full power of a team's Ranger Keys is unlocked (although MMPR and Samurai would have the same one.) Also, the announcer from Sonic Colors should say the name of the Ranger team being transformed into.

[mnikolic]

I woud like to see an original story for the Gokaiger adaptation.

Maybe something like this:
An old Ranger enemy from the past is revealed to have survived Zordon's energy wave (Rito or maybe Scorpina, anyone?) and seeks revenge. An old Ranger team tries to stop him/her, but he/she steals their powers, allowing him/her to re-program the morphing grid so all PR teams remain powerless. Then, a group of specially trained intergalactic warriors is assembled by the Phantom Ranger (this would be a great chance to see him again too) and travels to Earth and with the help of the Ranger keys, they must learn to use the powers of all PR teams and try to stop the villain before it's too late.

The Gokaiger adaptation could be an excellent opportunity to see some of the old villains back in action besides the MMPR, Zeo, etc. Rangers and it would be a great way of concluding some older stories, like the identity of the Phanotm Ranger.

[Ryan Steele]

Ηοw about Prince Gasket? It could work

[Samurai Pink]

What about the legend war? Surely they could use that, but just use the scenes that has the american rangers. But I guess we also have to consider the rangers that were before MMPR. It could work and using Akared as well, just for 20th anniversary instead of 35.

[MegaBlue]

Start the season out with a tech-savvy University student that happens to be a fan of all things Ranger related. Have him get abducted (or voluntarily go... he gets mocked for his love of the Rangers?) by the villains (in disguise), who promise him great things if he helps them to "bring the Rangers to life". He uses the alien technology to discover a way into the Morphin Grid/Universal Bio-Field and programs the different keys to access the different Ranger powers. When he discovers that the villains ARE, in fact, the villains, he steals the newest set of keys that he created (the Gokai keys) and five of the morphers, then runs away.

Cut to: Some time later. Four random students at the University get attacked by an MotD and a platoon of grunt fighters. Our programmer sees this, decides to take matters into his own hands, and transforms into the Red Ranger. He leaps into action and fends off the monsters, who run off, vowing to return later. The students are shocked when they learn who he really is, and are inducted into being Rangers with the solemn promise to NOT reveal their identities to anyone. However, what he fails to tell them is that he helped to lead the villains here, and that they have the powers of every Power Ranger ever.

[Digifiend]

What I would like to see in a Gokaiger adaptation is the use of the instrumental theme songs when the full power of a team's Ranger Keys is unlocked (although MMPR and Samurai would have the same one.)So would Alien Rangers, and Zeo's is basically a remix.

[Captain Platypus]

My bible for Goseiger includes interdimensional conquerers (I stayed in the context of Tzachor's insistence that each season is its own universe and RPM is a new universe as an exercise) and the rangers have to defend the DIMENSION. To follow through, I'd actually have them dimension hop to various dimensions with ranger teams as a means of adaption.

I love the idea of the Spirit Ranger changing robotic bodies to Akared

[SanyuMiyazaki]

So would Alien Rangers, and Zeo's is basically a remix.
I completely forgot about those! That's not gonna make it easy, then.

[Thrax]

Ηοw about Prince Gasket? It could work

Sounds really cool see Gasket Rises from the Ashes of the Machine Sky Base with a New Found Power and Remake a New and upgrades Machine Empire and New Armys combined the Tecnologys from Serpentera Lost Battle in "Forever Red" and created generals everything sice of the 0 Point.

well for some reasons the Machine Empire give to do many storyarcs and Plots.

[Gokaichanger]

What about the legend war? Surely they could use that, but just use the scenes that has the american rangers. But I guess we also have to consider the rangers that were before MMPR. It could work and using Akared as well, just for 20th anniversary instead of 35.But that really wouldn't make sense for them to redo the war so that only PR sentai appear because they still need to show the Pre-Zyu rangers unless they what to cut down the episode size and episode count

[mnikolic]

They could also film a lot of original footage and just use the footage from the Gokaiger that's not pre-Zyu. That way they can avoid the appearance of pre-Zyuranger teams.

[TimeKaiser]

I have a new thing I'd love to see in a PR adaption of Gokaiger although I know for a fact it will never happen: I'd love to get a role as a new character who is the Red Zeo Ranger!

I only mention this because I dreamed about a Power Rangers equivalent of the Legend War and I literally was the Red Zeo Ranger; Rocky was Blue, Adam was Green, Kat was Pink, Tanya was Yellow and Trey was Gold.

[Thrax]

Samurai being over the course of two years was in one article and one article only.

Gokaiger will be adapted. Saban has to adapt it due to contracts with Toei. If they don't adapt it in some way, then they cannot adapt anything.

PR Samurai its 2 years and they have to adapted Goseiger and Gokaiger they have to adapted the some way of Toei want because they dont can skip Sentai i think.

[PR4ever]

I think they should make each ranger a pertaining story from past seasons and same with villains

[Digifiend]

PR Samurai its 2 yearsNo it isn't.

[Thrax]

No it isn't.

They change something !!!

[mnikolic]

No, they didn't. They said from the beginning that this season was going to be 40 or 43 episodes long (not sure). PR Samurai is a single season, just like any other. Nick is just splitting the season into 2 seasons because that's how they decided to to it. So although it may sound that PR Samurai is 2 seasons long, but it's actually Nick that is treating a single season as 2. In the first half of 2011, we are going to have about 20 episodes aired and the second half of the season in the second half of this year. I believe this has been explained multiple times.

[Thrax]

No, they didn't. They said from the beginning that this season was going to be 40 or 43 episodes long (not sure). PR Samurai is a single season, just like any other. Nick is just splitting the season into 2 seasons because that's how they decided to to it. So although it may sound that PR Samurai is 2 seasons long, but it's actually Nick that is treating a single season as 2. In the first half of 2011, we are going to have about 20 episodes aired and the second half of the season in the second half of this year. I believe this has been explained multiple times.

I already know they will split but i as thinking they will split in 2 years 20 episodes 2011 and the others 20 in 2012, if Nick decide to do like that is much better we see a Full season this year, and they can adapted the Goseiger and Gokaiger for the other years.

[mnikolic]

That's how they will probably do it. I mean to have only a 20-episode season in a year, they would need to conclude a season within 20 episodes. And knowing that no PR season has had just 20 episodes and also knowing that this season's story is only and already about half way trough, there's no way we're getting only 20 episodes this year. We wouldn't have a new episode each week if Samurai was only that long.

[Lonewolf92]

No, they didn't. They said from the beginning that this season was going to be 40 or 43 episodes long (not sure). PR Samurai is a single season, just like any other. Nick is just splitting the season into 2 seasons because that's how they decided to to it. So although it may sound that PR Samurai is 2 seasons long, but it's actually Nick that is treating a single season as 2. In the first half of 2011, we are going to have about 20 episodes aired and the second half of the season in the second half of this year. I believe this has been explained multiple times.

Which isn't all that different from how Zeo-Lightspeed did it on Fox Kids

[hootaboi]

Where's a good site to watch Senti? YT?

[mustang3173]

I'd really like it they made Gasket the Commander of Zangyak, or whatever they want to call the villains. I've also wanted to see an army of Psycho Rangers, and a final battle between them and an army of rangers would be as awesome as it would be expensive. But this is just fanfic talk.

My guess is that when they do adapt the legend war, they won't explain who is in what suit as it's a minor detail in that grand a scheme. They will just leave it up to us, which is fine as I've seen people discussing "who's in what suit" for this type of thing for years.

[Digifiend]

Where's a good site to watch Senti? YT?Super Sentai Planet.

[RobotRanger1]

That statement belies a staggering lack of imagination. Olesker's asinine contest last year solicited DOZENS of Shinkenger adaptation pitches that used the source footage and were mostly original. This is the crap Amit used to say in 2002 that I KNEW came from Jonathan. "What else can you do without shooting tons of American footage?" The first season was relentless in using Zyuranger footage and it still told original stories. Recontextualizing footage is not hard. Good lord, Robotech Masters is incredibly unlike Southern Cross and other than a few select edits the footage is identical. I can tell you RIGHT NOW what Ryland's and my pitch for Olesker's contest (done as a laugh) was, and it uses Shinkenger without adapting any of the Shinken storylines.
Who is this "Olesker" you speak of?

[tavis15]

Here are two links help us with the situation and everybody read them.

http://henshingrid.blogspot.com/2011/03/pros-and-cons-if-saban-adapts-gokaiger.html

http://henshingrid.blogspot.com/2011/03/saban-brands-when-adapting-gokaiger-how.html

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I don't know what this idiot is going on about with the Aquitian Rangers not being ninjas considering they themselves had NINJA POWER COINS just like the MMPR.

[tavis15]

I know, Right.

[gokaiblue]

I would like Zordon to return, and seeing as he's an inter-dimmensional being, coming back from the dead wouldn't be too hard for him.

[Captain Platypus]

Even though his essense was scattered across the cosmos?

[gokaiblue]

^
He's interdimmensional. In some dimension, he probably put himself together or something. Then that Zordon would travel back to the PR Universe.

[tavis15]

^I always had this thought like what if Zordon not really dead at all but he's trapped at some dimension.

[Digifiend]

Zordon = Master Head? (Goseiger)

[Cmdr Crayfish]

^
He's interdimmensional. In some dimension, he probably put himself together or something. Then that Zordon would travel back to the PR Universe.

Your lack of comprehension of the material is irksome. Zordon's body was destroyed and his soul was imprisoned in another dimension by Rita (one presumes to keep him from being resurrected). He used to be a normal Eltarian. He's not a magical being who NATURALLY exists outside of dimensions. Then Lerigot's magic key bypassed Rita undoing the spell, and released Zordon's being from the alternate dimension so he could go back to Eltar. I mean, we saw what he looked like out of the tube in Passing the Torch. His body was destroyed. HE'S STILL JUST A DISEMBODIED GHOSTLY HEAD. Dark Specter physically imprisoned Zordon inside of the energy tube (unlike the plasma tube, which was a transmitter) and was using his soul as a battery. Zordon explicitly says to Andros once the tube is shattered, he will be destroyed but his spirit will live on in all that is good. Zordon is EXTINGUISHING HIS SOUL to save the universe. Vestiges of himself will enter all living beings. There's nowhere for him to "go" here. He's dead. REALLY dead. Zordon hadn't been trapped in another dimension for well over a year and a half by this point. I am sick, to DEATH, of people not comprehending this.

[shielded117]

^
Thank you Chris. I couldn't have put it as eloquently as that.

[Alpha 5]

I fully comprehend, but magic exists in the power ranger world, theres nothing to say some magical force can't bring zordon back from the dead. i can see the swirly golden glittery special effects now

[shielded117]

Something Chris said a few months back made a whole lot of sense. And Chris, correct me if I've misstated this: There should be a negative consequence to the process of pulling Zordon's essence back together. It should completely reverse the effects of the Z-Wave.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The law of narrative conservation: you don't get something for nothing. Yes, you can do this. It's terrible writing. It's everything wrong with Charmed, which just treats magic like... Well, stage magic. Magic is a crutch for lazy storytelling. What are the stakes, what are the consequences? If you can resurrect Zordon from SOUL DEATH, and the positive consequences of his death remain intact, why the hell would anyone have spent a year trying to rescue him? Even if Dark Specter had engulfed his soul, why, they could use TIME TRAVEL or some insane crap to save him, right?

Magic is not an excuse to do whatever you want. Magic is a tool. You want to resurrect Zordon? Like, REALLY want to resurrect Zordon? Okay. Alpha managed to recover his body and recorporealize it centuries ago. A soulless body, but it was intact. It was then placed inside of a hyperlock or its own sort of time warp device (like Burai's lapseless room) to preserve it. Upon Zordon's death, the wave collided with the body. It restored just a spark of life to it. The body is living again, and this person has some (maybe a lot) of the young Zordon's memories. This is not Zordon as we ever knew him. He has none of the expertise, none of the tremendous power... His spiritual power is comparable to a newborn.

Look at Search for Spock. REALLY examine it. It is the most perfect distillation ever of how you unkill a character whose death had major, crucial, consequences. And in the end, it lays down what I've long felt is the morally and ethically correct means of unkilling a main character. If you want Spock back, Kirk has to lose twice as much. The Enterprise and David. His past and his future are destroyed to make his present more tolerable. The entire moral of the previous film is squandered, but the underlying philosophy is followed through.

Spock never took the Kobiyashi Maru simulator (we later learned, of course, because he was its creator). He did when he remained inside of the radiation chamber of the Enterprise to escape from the Reliant. And there, above Genesis, Kirk finally took the Kobiyashi Maru on the terms it was meant to be taken: he sacrificed his ship and his son to save his best friend. He faced a true no-win scenario. THIS is how you unkill a main character in a manner everyone will accept. As a product of the circumstances which led you to this point.

[SirGreen]

I can't understand why people want Zordon back. It would undue the amazing ending we had to space.....

[JuzoFuwa]

If any "Zordon revival" storyline shows up, I want it to go like this;

- Someone, maybe an old Ranger, wants to revive Zordon. They set out to do so, but are frequently blocked by characters which appear to be "Anti-heroes", trying to stop the revival.
- Nobody really knows WHY they're so against it, so they are considered enemies. Maybe this is the Gokaiger- they have to convince individual teams that they are, really, good.
- IF we have to see Zordon, it's because the character hoping to revive him almost succeeds. He then speaks to Zordon in a 'dream', where the negative effects of his revival are explained.

[SuperBootleg]

Basco has an exposed face, so all of his scenes need to be refilmed. They don't have to use the trumpet at all.

They could do they ol' Saban trick of using an Asian person to play a character, so in stock footage scenes they can just pass it off as the American actor instead of the Japanese actor. They done that with Vypra and Toxica (and Madira, and Marah + Capri, but they were caucasian).

HEY! They could just ask Basco's current actor! He's fluent in English!

[Thrax]

The Gokaiger adaptation could really works if Tzachor will works with the concept of the Which Power Rangers Season have is own dimension the dimension of the Gokaiger adaptation could by a dimension when exists one team of Power Rangers with many Powers, One Power Rangers Team with all Powers Together of the Universe.

[Tomias Kaimizu]

I like to see them use some of the older Sentai Teams, just have it to where they of course came before Mighty Morphin. They could be teams from other planets or still from Earth. I'm in the Middle of RPing a story with this in mind on Gaia online. I'm of course not using every Sentai Team, well for many reason the main one being i can't think of good names for them.

However back to my idea. Like i said before not all the teams i'm using are from Earth. Biomen i had as a Mars team, Mars no longer has life during MMPR or afterward, which is explain in the RP. Out of the Ten teams i'm using. five of them are on Earth while the other Five are not. Zordon never told the Rangers in Mighty Morphin as it was to painful for him to retell the tail of these teams or he had no knowledge of them.

This is of course just my thought on a Gokaiger adoption, but think it's a really good one. as Saban wouldn't have to change much. Would just need a plot tool to help. In my case I created Zordon's Journal. A record of his life, and the Legacy that is the Power Rangers.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

What does Zordon's diary have to do with the legacy of the Power Rangers? The term didn't originate with him. Not to mention that the inference of bespandexed heroes prior to his acquisition of the Dino Coins kinda mitigates his overall worth to the history of the universe.

[DrBravo2]

I don't know, Chris. Zordon seems pretty obsessed with the Dino coins and figuring out how they work. I could see him doing research on the grid and having notes on the other teams of rangers throughout the millennia. "Those teams had this, it would be useful for my team."

[Tomias Kaimizu]

What does Zordon's diary have to do with the legacy of the Power Rangers? The term didn't originate with him. Not to mention that the inference of bespandexed heroes prior to his acquisition of the Dino Coins kinda mitigates his overall worth to the history of the universe.

A lot of things really least my version of it does. and of course it didn't originate with him, doesn't mean he didn't play a large part in the Legacy. And what makes you think he didn't have a hand at anything before he gained the Dino Coins. Just because that was the first team show doesn't mean that was the first team he mentored or created.

This is only how i see things as this is Fanmade. and what makes you think it didn't originate with him anyway, what prof do you have that it didn't? What prof does anyone have that he did or didn't for that matter. What prof we might have had was destroyed by Disney when they took over, or was never explained in great detail.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Your last paragraph is deranged conjecture. And what proof do we have? Burden of proof. He didn't create anything. He used what other people made. Period.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

I don't know, Chris. Zordon seems pretty obsessed with the Dino coins and figuring out how they work. I could see him doing research on the grid and having notes on the other teams of rangers throughout the millennia. "Those teams had this, it would be useful for my team."

That still doesn't justify how he'd know full histories of teams, etc. His keeping extensive notes on weaponry, perhaps. But using it as a MacGuffin or a fount of endless intel? I take issue with that.

[Tomias Kaimizu]

Your last paragraph is deranged conjecture. And what proof do we have? Burden of proof. He didn't create anything. He used what other people made. Period.

Ok thats ******** right there. He created the White Ranger Powers thank you. He used what other people made to as a blue print and built off of that. You take Issue with a lot of things. You have your way of seeing this and other have their own, now deal with how others want to see things. and no where in my last few posts did i say he created anything, just that he had a hand in their creature for the lack of a better word.

Zordon played a Major rule in the shaping of the Rangers Legacy, in one for or another. Sure he might not have made them himself. not one person could make the Power Rangers, you have Ninjor, the Morphin Masters, Zordon, and those that came after them that all played a part in it.

His lived for more then 10,000 years in a tube with nothing better to do then study, history of teams, weapons, zords the lot. From his base on Earth he was able to commutator with other races to learn about whats going on in the universe, and i have no doubt that he help as best that he could.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

We have no proof he created the Tiger Coin out of thin air. That's been one of the biggest sources of conjecture in the fandom, after all. If he had the capacity to just spontaneously create a new coin then and there, why in the world had he never done it prior or subsequently? Now watch the potty mouth.

[Thrax]

The Powers of the Gokaiger adaptation could by creation by the Morphing Masters they could created a Ancient Power with all Power of the universe but Saban will adapt the story and created there own story we know Ninjor,Morphing Masters and Zordon created Power Coins

[Tomias Kaimizu]

Well thats very true, he might have had a few coins before the events of Mighty Morphin, maybe over the course of 10,000 years he tried to create his own coins, but each tryfailed until he was left with one. again thats just a thought. I don't want to. XP your no fun.

[Thrax]

Some Power Coins are created for the Morphing Masters but with combine all the Powers Together if someday a Ancient Evil for come back for Comquer the Universe again

[Cmdr Crayfish]

We have no proof Zordon is capable of creating Power Coins at all. It's occam's razor. There is a white Dinozord that doesn't have a Power Coin. There's a white Power Coin that only begins working in the second season. The least convoluted solution to me has always been "there was a Power Coin for Titanus, something happened to break it, and Zordon only fixed it under the most dire of circumstances at the risk of his own life."

[Thrax]

Zordon could use the Green Power coin and use the Power of Titanus to create the White Power coin for the White ranger or even could exists the Power Coin of Titanus and Zordon could make him separated of the Power Coin and use the same Power Coin to created the White Power coin for Tommy and even created the White Tigerzord or even take a few Power of Titanus and with that Power created the Tigerzord.

[Tomias Kaimizu]

and we have no proof he didn't have the Capable to create a power coin. Like i said before you have your way of thinking I have mine. So lets just drop it as this is getting old.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

No. This is not an issue of subjective debate. There is no in-series evidence he had the capacity to do something like this. He never demonstrates it prior and he never demonstrates it again. Introducing the idea Zordon could make dozens of Power Coins on the spur of the moment is your stupid conjecture, and it is supported by nothing in the show. You want to make personal attacks against me and then try and end the discussion because you can't defend it. If Zordon was capable of this? The Sword of Light is meaningless. He could have just created three replacement Coins. Hell, he could have recruited the Ninja Teens the moment they learned the secret. He could have recruited Richie and Curtis. He could have KEPT MAKING NEW POWER COINS throughout Zeo and Turbo. Absolute spamming attack. No, there is no possible way with the resources used on this series Zordon was capable of just fabricating new Power Coins on demand. The Tiger Coin either came with the others, was a dud someone else tried to create and Zordon acquired, or was an intact Dino Coin CORRESPONDING TO THE DINOZORD OF THE SAME COLOR THAT HAD NO POWER COIN that for whatever reason was not designed to create a Ranger. Or that he broke. Burden of proof is on you, son. Conjecture is not a vast fairy tale of make-believe. We need to support insane conjecture. That's suspension of disbelief. The idea Zordon was that overpowered is stupid and ludicrous, and BREAKS suspension of disbelief for the series. If Coins are easy to make, ZORDON DOESN'T NEED NINJOR IN THE THIRD SEASON.

[Tomias Kaimizu]

OH MY GOD SHUT UP. I'M SICK OF OUR CRAP. There was no on series evidence that he couldn't either, for all we know he could have easily done so, put choice not to. Just because you can make something doesn't mean you have to. Now does it. No where did i say he made the coins himself, he could have easily found them, they never explain how he got the five he had in the being, since in season three he had no knowledge of Ninjor, for all he know he was a myth. I clearly remember him saying so. If Zordon was overpowered would he really have been stupid enough to fall for a trap that imprisoned him in a time warp for 10,000 years NO.

You have no Fing proof to back up your claims, there are so fing many plot holes in the show that it's up to the Fans to image what happened. Which I'm doing SO GET OF MY BACK YOU DICK. If i get ban for this i do fing care. I'm Sick of you and always bring people doing. You Believe in whatever you damn while please, and I'll do the same now get to hell.

became i'm done with your ****. and FYI I'm not a dude so don't call me SON

and you know what i'll have a potty mouth if i want it. it's my RIGHT.

[Thrax]

Zordon can created Power coins like the White Power coin but dont have the Powers like Ninjor with creates the Original Power coins and the Dinozords and even created the Ninja Coins and the Ninja zords as wel, The Sword of Light it as use for transfer the Power for New Rangers and is capable to duplicate the Power Coins because we see there Two Red Rangers,Two Yellows Rangers and Two Black Rangers why Zordon dont use that kind of Power to duplicate the Dino coins when the Thunderzords are destroyed but even if Zordon it as capable to dublicate the Power Coins possible he dont have the Power to Make the Thunderzord reborn aganst i think he have to use much Power to do that.

The Tiger Coin could Zordon created when created the White Ranger Power and could use the Power of Titanus to do that or even use the Green Power Coin and shift the Power to the Light and even use a among use of Power Zordon have to off all Powers of the Power Chamber for Zedd dont be aware of the White Ranger creation, Zordon could take Power from Titanus and created another White Zord or even use the Power of Dragonzord to to that.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

You have real emotional issues with someone disagreeing with you. Guess what? In the real world, burden of proof falls on the possibility of something happening. You made my point for me: if Zordon was capable of making new Power Coins, he wouldn't send the teens off on a suicide mission to locate someone he wouldn't believe existed. You are so married to your fanfics being canon you refuse to accept the possibility you are making amateur, rookie mistakes. Just say it's conjecture for your fics. Ta-da. Trouble is, you're arguing this internal to the show. And you can't support it. Zordon being able to just gang-press new coins whenever breaks the events of the entire series. Burden of proof is on justifying the fantastical. Want to prove a negative? Fine. Chad is a werewolf. There is no episode of Lightspeed Rescue with Chad running around under a full moon. Ergo, you can't prove Chad isn't a werewolf. So I'm right, and nothing you can say proves me wrong.

Absence of evidence is not evidence. You need to prove Zordon can make Power Coins at his whim, not that he CAN'T. The circumstances surrounding White Light are abnormal, and he never tries anything of the sort ever again. Burden of proof is that "this is not something he can just do." And, coincidentally, it uses the only color Dinozord not represented by a Power Coin. HMMMM, I WONDER WHAT THE LEAST CONVOLUTED CONJECTURE THERE WOULD BE? But no. You want to talk about your fanfics on the general discussion forum. You want to get angry that your fanfics don't hold up to the same level of scrutiny as a mediocre children's television series. Well, I'm sorry. You can throw a tantrum and try to get the last two pages of this thread deleted, but I'm not mad at you. No one is angry here but you. We're having a really interesting discussion that I think others can take a lot out of. You just happen to be on the losing end of it.

[DrBravo2]

There was no on series evidence that he couldn't either, for all we know he could have easily done so, put choice not to.
There's tons of circumstantial evidence that he couldn't. I mean, logically, if he could have created coins, he would have just made then. It's not direct evidence, but it's still evidence.

[Alpha 5]

Well maybe just maybe theres a possiblity that he could create a power coin. now hear me out on this one (and no i'm not gonna throw a fit if you guys find it impossible) but at the time Zordon created this "white power coin" there was a lull in the battle between good and evil at the time. maybe this is what Zordon needed to be able to create that power coin after thousands of years of trying. he couldn't simply just whip one up it took time and his life force and the help of Alpha 5 to craft the white light in to a power sorce..now i'm not saying he didn't have the dino coin as a template but maybe he didnt. like i said it was the lull that aloud him to be able to craft the power..in the other circumstances Zedd and Rita were sending monster after monster every day Zordon just didn't have the time to go in to his secret chamber. because if he did would it have mattered if the green ranger lost his powers? i mean he could of just said "Tommy don't worry about not being the green ranger I have this back up coin for you" and all would of been fine. and come zeo again he really didn't have the time to create a new set of power coins earth was about to be conqured and maybe his crafting level for making powercoins wasn't even up to it he might have not even been good at it. so they needed another powersorce..now you can take this as you will, i just wanted to weigh in a bit

[shielded117]

The biggest problem I see is that there was a 10,000 year lull... Why didn't he do it then?

[MegaBlue]

Does nobody remember that the Command Center was pretty much shut down when Zordon and Alpha were manufacturing the White Ranger in the subbasement, behind that hidden door? The sheer amount of energy it takes to access the Morphin Grid to create just one brand new power is overwhelming, let alone being able to manufacture entire sets of powers on the fly.

Also, "what was Zordon doing for 10,000 years?" He was keeping tabs on Angel Grove, making sure that evil wasn't threatening it. The only real action he had in that time, not counting the side-universe that The Movie throws at us, was Kimberly showing up in the Wild West days and giving the Rangers' ancestors their Power Coins. Up until 1993, those five costumes WERE the Power Rangers. There weren't any others that Zordon was aware of. His territory consisted of Angel Grove. Obviously, Angel Grove is a supreme destination for the UAE. Why else would it have been the target of five years' worth of constant evil assaults? All of the other villains' stories are minute, in comparison to Dark Specter's forces.

[SirGreen]

Since you toss in Kim going in the past that means Zordon was prepared for the Ritas attack in 1994 thus shouldn't of alarmed him... I hate time travel it messes things up. Or it could of just created an alternate timeline.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

NO, Jason. The Command Center is less than two hundred years old. Wherever the hell Zordon was, it WASN'T Angel Grove. One presumes his most active transmitter was somewhere in the Karova sector, frankly.

[Alpha 5]

how can you be certain? Is it because we only saw the command center half built when Kim went in to the past? Because inside it was fully developed. and it's interesting to think that Zordon maybe had a home with the ko-35 people or at least transmited there.

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Half of the building is still under construction, yes. The inner facility is intact, but nothing else. The massive blast doors we later see, for instance.

[Alpha 5]

Personaly I thought they made it that way to better "blend in" with the era. and that the outer construction was done at a later time for reasons unknown. but you may be right. it's been so long since I've seen that episode lol

[Cmdr Crayfish]

The communicators didn't work a hundred years earlier. That says a lot.

[Alpha 5]

Thats when they traveled back with the Green ranger returns arc right?

[Tomias Kaimizu]

I should apologies to Cmdr Crayfish, was a mess yesterday and just took it out on the wrong person. Lets just leave it at that. I don't want to have to remember to much of last night for many reason.

Just really wish Saban would somehow feel in the Plot holes of the show, this way we'd know a lot more, then again this is a kid show, and i don't really think they think kids care to much for story line or plots in general.

Didn't Billy make the communicators anyway, thats why they didn't work?

[DrBravo2]

They tapped into the both the Command Centers teleportation and communication systems. Those must not have been operational in the past.