The Green Candle (Discussion)

[Ernde38]

Production scenarios aside, wouldn't it have made more sense for Jason and another ranger go into the Dark Dimension?

I just finished watching The Green Candle on Netflix, and it got me wondering about this.

Zordon COULD've done the following with the rangers:

A.) Send Jason and Kimberly into the Dark Dimension to battle Goldar and retrieve the candle.

B.) Have Billy and Trini open and close the dimensional gate. Both of them being more intelligent and technologically sound compared to the others.

C.) Have Zack and Tommy take on the Cyclops. Zack being the SIC, could've controlled the Dino Megazord to help battle/destroy the Cyclops.

[mnikolic]

Or they could've just scrapped the episode altogether, have Tommy go on a martial arts tournament for a couple of episodes and than still have 20 more episodes ordered.
Tommy would still be a part of the team after the tournament, some of the episodes would need to be re-written to include him, the Return of an old Friend episodes would be scrapped and the Sentai footage for the Green Candle and the ROAOF could be used in different episodes as well.

Than have Zedd bring up the Green Crystal in S2 and the things would play out just the same from that point on. ;)

But your idea is good too, however, they would need to come up with more original Green Ranger footage and story as well. :)

[Ernde38]

Or they could've just scrapped the episode altogether, have Tommy go on a martial arts tournament for a couple of episodes and than still have 20 more episodes ordered.
Tommy would still be a part of the team after the tournament, some of the episodes would need to be re-written to include him, the Return of an old Friend episodes would be scrapped and the Sentai footage for the Green Candle and the ROAOF could be used in different episodes as well.

Than have Zedd bring up the Green Crystal in S2 and the things would play out just the same from that point on. ;)

But your idea is good too, however, they would need to come up with more original Green Ranger footage and story as well. :)

That's actually a pretty good idea on your part! If that would've been the original story, at least we wouldn't have had so much whining from Tommy about losing his powers...

Now, it does bring up a production question. Does anybody know if "Tommy"/JDF was written out of the series so he could star in Cybertron (later known as VR Troopers)?

[Digifiend]

Yep. Notice that his hair is longer (in a ponytail for the first time) when he returns? It was in the same style in the Cybertron pilot. But MMPR and Tommy were so popular, that the extra episodes were ordered, and Cybertron (which needed to be renamed anyway because Hasbro would've sued them as it's the name of the Transformers homeworld) was retooled as VR Troopers with Brad Hawkins in the lead role.

[mnikolic]

Yes, I've heard about that too. But also, wasn't Brand going to play the White Ranger in S2 originally? But instead, they brought Tommy back instead (which is a good thing)?

[SirGreen]

^ correct! You win a cookie!

[Alpha 5]

I think Crayfish said this was debunked, I'm not possitive though you have to ask him.

[mnikolic]

I only wish the original three would have stayed until the end of S02. Oh well. Someday, I'm going to re-watch all of MMPR and re-write the series to include the original three just for myself... Maybe I will keep the Green Ranger in my version, I think... ;)

[Churly]

Keep in mind, though it is widely accepted and even somewhat strict that Power Rangers and Super Sentai has its own continuity, you still have to keep the Sentai footage in mind when adapting.

Unfortunately, there was no such shot in the Sentai of Mammoth Ranger alone in the Mega Zord cockpit. When I was a kid, I thought why shouldn't Kim enter the Dark Dimension to help Jason while Zack, Trini & Billy go help Tommy and defeat the Cyclops with DBM. Of course, this was before I knew of the Sentai and its rules of adapting :p

[Digifiend]

Good point, would've been doable in season 2 and 3, which had US Megazord cockpits, but not season 1. They didn't have a copy of the Daizyujin cockpit - the one Bulk and Skull used in their dream sequence was woefully inaccurate (justified by the way, as they wouldn't have known what the real one looked like).

[mnikolic]

Keep in mind, though it is widely accepted and even somewhat strict that Power Rangers and Super Sentai has its own continuity, you still have to keep the Sentai footage in mind when adapting.

Unfortunately, there was no such shot in the Sentai of Mammoth Ranger alone in the Mega Zord cockpit. When I was a kid, I thought why shouldn't Kim enter the Dark Dimension to help Jason while Zack, Trini & Billy go help Tommy and defeat the Cyclops with DBM. Of course, this was before I knew of the Sentai and its rules of adapting :p

I know. That's why I'm waiting for Zuyranger, Dairanger and Kakuranger to be fully subbed. Also, I must be very careful with the original characters, because I don't want to change them.


Good point, would've been doable in season 2 and 3, which had US Megazord cockpits, but not season 1. They didn't have a copy of the Daizyujin cockpit - the one Bulk and Skull used in their dream sequence was woefully inaccurate (justified by the way, as they wouldn't have known what the real one looked like).

I thought that cockpit looked different. But it was kind of cool... ;)

[Thrax]

I know. That's why I'm waiting for Zuyranger, Dairanger and Kakuranger to be fully subbed. Also, I must be very careful with the original characters, because I don't want to change them.
I thought that cockpit looked different. But it was kind of cool... ;)

The Footage of Zuyranger,Dairanger and Kakuranger are pretty awesome and i think they could use thme much well in the case of Kakuranger i think they could use much more footage from Kakuranger in MMPRS3

[Alpha 5]

Good point, would've been doable in season 2 and 3, which had US Megazord cockpits, but not season 1. They didn't have a copy of the Daizyujin cockpit - the one Bulk and Skull used in their dream sequence was woefully inaccurate (justified by the way, as they wouldn't have known what the real one looked like).

I never realized how diffrent the cockpit looked untill just now, wouldn't of noticed it back in the day. they could have fudged it somehow.

[Mr. CD]

They didn't have a copy of the Daizyujin cockpit - the one Bulk and Skull used in their dream sequence was woefully inaccurate (justified by the way, as they wouldn't have known what the real one looked like).
Didn't Austin and the other say at the first PMC that they were jealous that Bulk and Skull got to be in the cockpit? lol

[Sweet Rocket]

I know. That's why I'm waiting for Zuyranger, Dairanger and Kakuranger to be fully subbed...

Words cannot describe how much I want to watch the rest of Kakuranger already! The first episode was hilarious (particularly when NinjaRed throws his shoe at one of the "goons" and proceeded wail on him). I don't remember laughing that much at a Sentai episode at all.

[Ernde38]

Yep. Notice that his hair is longer (in a ponytail for the first time) when he returns? It was in the same style in the Cybertron pilot. But MMPR and Tommy were so popular, that the extra episodes were ordered, and Cybertron (which needed to be renamed anyway because Hasbro would've sued them as it's the name of the Transformers homeworld) was retooled as VR Troopers with Brad Hawkins in the lead role.

So, what happened was:

A) Tommy was written out of the series, via losing his powers, due to Jason David Frank landing the role of Adam Steele on Cybertron.

B) Brad Hawkins was chosen to become the newest ranger in the 2nd season of Power Rangers.

C) The first season of Power Rangers was supposed to end at the conclusion of Doomsday, but FOX Kids ordered more episodes for the 1st season.

D) During pre-production, the title was changed to VR Troopers.

E) Tommy proved so popular, that during the extended first season, he was brought back for the last 10 episodes.

F) Saban Entertainment made a character switch, with Tommy going on to become the White Ranger, and Brad Hawkins becoming Ryan Steele on VRT.


I think Crayfish said this was debunked, I'm not possitive though you have to ask him.

What do you mean debunked?


I only wish the original three would have stayed until the end of S02. Oh well. Someday, I'm going to re-watch all of MMPR and re-write the series to include the original three just for myself... Maybe I will keep the Green Ranger in my version, I think... http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/images/smilies/;).gif

I have that idea for a fanfic in the works. Had that idea for awhile actually. Actually I have the original team (Tommy, Zack, Kimberly, Billy, Trini, and Jason) remaining rangers for the entire Zordon-era in mine.


Keep in mind, though it is widely accepted and even somewhat strict that Power Rangers and Super Sentai has its own continuity, you still have to keep the Sentai footage in mind when adapting.

Unfortunately, there was no such shot in the Sentai of Mammoth Ranger alone in the Mega Zord cockpit. When I was a kid, I thought why shouldn't Kim enter the Dark Dimension to help Jason while Zack, Trini & Billy go help Tommy and defeat the Cyclops with DBM. Of course, this was before I knew of the Sentai and its rules of adapting http://www.rangercrew.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif

That may be true, but there are ways to get around that. They didn't HAVE to show anybody in the cockpits. They could've just shown the exterior of the Megazord and Dragonzord. To fill in the gaps where scenes would've shown the cockpits, they could've shown the battle in the Dark Dimension, and flipped back and forth until the candle was grabbed and/or Cyclops was destroyed.

What episode do Bulk and Skull "pilot" the Dino Megazord...? I haven't watched that episode in quite awhile.

[mnikolic]

I have that idea for a fanfic in the works. Had that idea for awhile actually. Actually I have the original team (Tommy, Zack, Kimberly, Billy, Trini, and Jason) remaining rangers for the entire Zordon-era in mine.


Me too. Also, I plan to keep the Green Ranger for the first 2 seasons and maybe even the 3rd. Or maybe for the whole series.


That may be true, but there are ways to get around that. They didn't HAVE to show anybody in the cockpits. They could've just shown the exterior of the Megazord and Dragonzord.

I do plan to keep all of the used Sentai footage in mine, but also to write in a lot more original footage (i.e. scenes), like the Rangers actually fighting monsters in S2 instead of always fighting the lame Z Putties.

But I don't agree with you on the cockpits thing, because showing them in the cockpits actually produces an effect that the Rangers are actually controlling the Zords.

[Churly]

That may be true, but there are ways to get around that. They didn't HAVE to show anybody in the cockpits. They could've just shown the exterior of the Megazord and Dragonzord. To fill in the gaps where scenes would've shown the cockpits, they could've shown the battle in the Dark Dimension, and flipped back and forth until the candle was grabbed and/or Cyclops was destroyed.

That wouldn't be realistic. They would have had to put in Zack-only ADR over the shots of Megazord. They always tried as hard as they could to NOT have Rangers voice (so to speak) the Zords.

[RedWildForceRanger25]

So, what happened was:

A) Tommy was written out of the series, via losing his powers, due to Jason David Frank landing the role of Adam Steele on Cybertron.

B) Brad Hawkins was chosen to become the newest ranger in the 2nd season of Power Rangers.

C) The first season of Power Rangers was supposed to end at the conclusion of Doomsday, but FOX Kids ordered more episodes for the 1st season.

D) During pre-production, the title was changed to VR Troopers.

E) Tommy proved so popular, that during the extended first season, he was brought back for the last 10 episodes.

F) Saban Entertainment made a character switch, with Tommy going on to become the White Ranger, and Brad Hawkins becoming Ryan Steele on VRT.



What do you mean debunked?



I have that idea for a fanfic in the works. Had that idea for awhile actually. Actually I have the original team (Tommy, Zack, Kimberly, Billy, Trini, and Jason) remaining rangers for the entire Zordon-era in mine.



That may be true, but there are ways to get around that. They didn't HAVE to show anybody in the cockpits. They could've just shown the exterior of the Megazord and Dragonzord. To fill in the gaps where scenes would've shown the cockpits, they could've shown the battle in the Dark Dimension, and flipped back and forth until the candle was grabbed and/or Cyclops was destroyed.

What episode do Bulk and Skull "pilot" the Dino Megazord...? I haven't watched that episode in quite awhile.

Crystal of Nightmares

[Digifiend]

So, what happened was:

A) Tommy was written out of the series, via losing his powers, due to Jason David Frank landing the role of Adam Steele on Cybertron.
No, he was written out because his Sentai counterpart was killed off, so they ran out of Green Ranger footage.

[Ernde38]

Me too. Also, I plan to keep the Green Ranger for the first 2 seasons and maybe even the 3rd. Or maybe for the whole series.



I do plan to keep all of the used Sentai footage in mine, but also to write in a lot more original footage (i.e. scenes), like the Rangers actually fighting monsters in S2 instead of always fighting the lame Z Putties.

I have a different fanfic where the Green Ranger returns after "Return of the Green Ranger", but it's NOT the clone...


That wouldn't be realistic. They would have had to put in Zack-only ADR over the shots of Megazord. They always tried as hard as they could to NOT have Rangers voice (so to speak) the Zords.

True, which I'm thankful for, but in "Green with Evil", they DID have the Dino Megazord "speak" to the Dragonzord, and vice-versa. The Dino Megazord at least sounded like Jason, but the Dragonzord didn't sound ANYTHING like Tommy.


No, he was written out because his Sentai counterpart was killed off, so they ran out of Green Ranger footage.

Then how did the Sentai counterpart reappear in the last 10 episodes?

[mnikolic]

I have a different fanfic where the Green Ranger returns after "Return of the Green Ranger", but it's NOT the clone...

Interesting. However, I have another idea, the one that I actually mentioned in this very thread, if I'm not mistaking.

I plan to have the Green Candle episodes turn out a bit differently, than have Tommy leave to a martial arts competition for some reason or something, than just have him return a few episodes earlier and stick around to the end. I'm also thinking of changing some earlier episodes, but not too much, so they don't loose their originality (battle scenes and some lines here and there). I also plan to write my own episodes after the Green Candle episodes and one that will replace the Return of a old friend episodes. Season 2 will probably have Dinozords and Thunderzords be a separate teams of Zords and I will probably give Tommy a Green version of the White Tigerzord, since in my version of the series, he won't loose the powers. Ever.

[Alpha 5]

Then how did the Sentai counterpart reappear in the last 10 episodes?

Zyu2 footage, Saban had Toei film more of the rangers in suit battles and monster creations which lasted up untill season two iirc

[Cmdr Crayfish]

Then how did the Sentai counterpart reappear in the last 10 episodes?

... How did you never know Zyu2 existed?

[Ernde38]

^

I actually forgot...LOL. I've known about it for years.

[mnikolic]

Anyway, this will be a nice and a new interesting expereince for me. I actually tried it once already, but didn't quite get it right. But this time, I will. ;)))

And for those that don't know, Zyu2 was also supposed to include the extra original Megazord and Dragonzord fights, but due to early intorduction of the Thunderzords, they had to re-edit the footage in order to replace the original Megazord with the ThunderMegazord/Mega Thunderzord. That's why we can still clearly see the original (or at least bits) of the original Megazord in the early S2 episodes and even in Ninja Quest, Part I.

[Churly]

Lokar was meant to be included in the Bloom of Doom Zord fight (according to Amit, who's a trustworthy source, he's claimed to have seen it) but obviously cut out since there would have been no way to defeat him with just the Thunder Megazord. It's not exactly clear how he would have been used since the episode seemed to just be a Pink & Yellow filler.

[Digifiend]

Also, his destruction scene from Zyuranger was cut from MMPR the first time it should've been used, and having seen it, it's understandable - major special effects failure.

[Churly]

^ I still would have preferred seeing it if they had no intention on using him afterwards.

He was sort of a big deal, he couldn't just disappear like that.

[Thrax]

Anyway, this will be a nice and a new interesting expereince for me. I actually tried it once already, but didn't quite get it right. But this time, I will. ;)))

And for those that don't know, Zyu2 was also supposed to include the extra original Megazord and Dragonzord fights, but due to early intorduction of the Thunderzords, they had to re-edit the footage in order to replace the original Megazord with the ThunderMegazord/Mega Thunderzord. That's why we can still clearly see the original (or at least bits) of the original Megazord in the early S2 episodes and even in Ninja Quest, Part I.

In MMPRS2 they are sometimes like "The Ninja Encounter" we can see some scenes when they show the Power Sword and Megazord as well.

[mnikolic]

I know. I believe I had a screen shot of that part of the scene somewhere. You can see the Thunder Megazord get blasted and briefly revert back to the original Megazord and than back. Also, you can clearly see the Megazord picking up the Power Sword, but it's the Thunder Megazord who's using its Thunder Saber in the very next shot. Tommy wore both Green and White civillian clothes in that episode (he was constantly switching back and fotrh between the clothes, I believe).

Also, in the "Wanna Be Ranger" episode, you can clearly see Dino Megazord and Dragonzord in one explosion shot. There were some episodes that featured this editing as well, but I can't remember which ones.

Those kind of mistakes would have been avoided if Saban would have had the computer technology of today back then. ;)

[Ernde38]

Anyway, this will be a nice and a new interesting expereince for me. I actually tried it once already, but didn't quite get it right. But this time, I will. ;)))

And for those that don't know, Zyu2 was also supposed to include the extra original Megazord and Dragonzord fights, but due to early intorduction of the Thunderzords, they had to re-edit the footage in order to replace the original Megazord with the ThunderMegazord/Mega Thunderzord. That's why we can still clearly see the original (or at least bits) of the original Megazord in the early S2 episodes and even in Ninja Quest, Part I.

MMPR Productions is who did the re-edit. Toei didn't touch it after Saban/MMPRPR bought the footage.

[Thrax]

I remember there is a episode "Star Born" in MMPRS1 when they use the MegaDragonzord we see a shot when the mosnter is blast for the Final Strike we see the monster be attacked in the end is other.

[mnikolic]

Thrax, that's a different mistake. The writers didn't know which footage to use, so many times in MMPR S1, the Rangers call the MegaDragonzord, but end up forming the Dragonzord Battle Mode. That's not the same type of editing mistakes that were present in S2. In S1, the production team used the wrong name from the wrong Megazord formations, or wrong Megazord formations in place of the correct ones, however, in S2, a Megazord NEEDED TO BE REPLACED WITH ANOTHER. That means taking out the original and replacing it with the newer one, while in the other case, it was just a footage selection mistake.

[Churly]

I wonder how that mistake came to be.

- Maybe the writers wanted to call DBM "Mega Dragonzord" since that was essentially what it was. But then, they couldn't think of a good name for Zyutei so they swapped the Gouryujin name for it and came up with "Dragonzord Battle Mode." The Mega Dragonzord was basically just an upgrade for the Megazord.

- In the Game Gear Video Game, DBM was called "Dragonzord F." which I figured meant "Dragonzord Fighting Mode."

[Digifiend]

Dragonzord Battle Mode was referred to as Dragonzord Fighting Mode on it's debut, so calling it MegaDragonzord was always a mistake.

[Thrax]

I wonder how that mistake came to be.

- Maybe the writers wanted to call DBM "Mega Dragonzord" since that was essentially what it was. But then, they couldn't think of a good name for Zyutei so they swapped the Gouryujin name for it and came up with "Dragonzord Battle Mode." The Mega Dragonzord was basically just an upgrade for the Megazord.

- In the Game Gear Video Game, DBM was called "Dragonzord F." which I figured meant "Dragonzord Fighting Mode."

Megadragonzord will really sounds a great name for that combination but what name they will give to the Megadragonzord when Megazord and Dragonzord combines or could give a name of Dragon Megazord !!!

[mnikolic]

Or they could call it "Megazord with Dragon Power" (alla Jungle Fury)... lol

Just kidding.

However, I agree with Churly. Dragonzord BM should be called the Mega Dragonzord and the other one a bit differently. ;)))

[Thrax]

In MMPRS2 when Tommy calls the Power of Tor to form the Thunder Ultrazord they show up they form the Mega Tigerzord

[Churly]

In MMPRS2 when Tommy calls the Power of Tor to form the Thunder Ultrazord they show up they form the Mega Tigerzord

There was obviously some sort of confusion with the writers. Whenever the "Carrier Zord" of the Season shows up, they almost certainly use the Ultrazord. Iirc, that was one of Tor's only appearances where they didn't use the Thunder Ultrazord.

[mnikolic]

How did they end up getting confused about something so simple? They introduced the Mega Tigerzord in White Ranger's debut episode... Hell, even Zordon calls its name ON SREEN! I mean, how hard is to pull a script of one of the previous episodes out of the drawer for a few brief seconds for a zord name check? I mean really.

[Thrax]

The Mega Tigerzord as introduced in "White Light" and the name fits in the Combination and i think in "Green with Evil" when Dragonzord combine with the others Dinozords could work much better Mega Dragonzord results much better.