Batman: The Brave and the Bold

[Quark]

Any other fans? The show is nearing the end of it's first season. Next week we get part one of the two part season finale, featuring one of Batman's 'A list' villains. (further spoiling found here: Deep Cover For Batman (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=375).)
What are your favorite moments? I keep going back to the Christmas episode with Red Tornado.
What are your thoughts on the series?

[Anza Power]

To tell you the truth it's the worst idea they had since.....................can't think that far...

Seriously I've been watching B:TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League and Justice league Unlimited and The Batman and liked them all, The batman was the best of them all IMO and they've canceled it for this awful show?

Sorry I know some people actually like it but I'll never understand why...

[Hears All]

I try not to watch these kiddy cartoons that are aimed to 4 year olds, IMO their usually let downs and aren't very complex

[Quark]

You're not going to see a superhero cartoon last over five seasons. The Batman wasn't cancelled for The Brave and the Bold. Count your blessings that The Batman saw five seasons.

Batman:TAS was a wonderful series, and rediscovering the show in DVD during High School directly influenced the career path I decided to follow. The DCAU that Timm and company created over 17 years is remarkable. But it's over.

TBATB is a response to how The Dark Knight has been portayed in recent years. Most people today are familiar with the dark, brooding, gothic Batman. TBATB brought us a vision of Batman we haven't seen in a long time. It's a lighter, more fun interpretation of Batman. It isn't any less legitimate or worthy of people's respect than a 'darker' Dark Knight. It captures the spirit and energy of the Silver Age of Batman, as well as the campy, Adam West 60's series.

This series trumps The Batman in almost every respect. The look of the show embraces the existing design of the characters we know and love, but with it's own visual spin. The characters are three dimensional and interesting. The stories have weight. The show is loads of fun. These are all ingredients that made the DCAU as successful as it was. Similarly, it's everything the first couple seasons of The Batman LACKED.

I honestly suggest anyone who enjoys the character but has negative feelings towards this show actually give it a chance. I had no interest in seeing this show beforehand. When I finally gave it a chance, I realized how well they captured the spirit of the caped crusader, as well as spotlight characters who have never seen the spotlight on television or film. Invasion of the Secret Santas, Fall of the Blue Beetle, and Dawn of the Deadman are a few examples of what this show really has to offer.

[Quark]

I try not to watch these kiddy cartoons that are aimed to 4 year olds, IMO their usually let downs and aren't very complex
So in other words you clearly haven't seen an episode of the show? And what do you consider kiddy? I'm just curious considering we're discussing this on a Power Rangers message board. You know, the show that has been insulting to children for the past 4 years.

[Mr. CD]

To tell you the truth it's the worst idea they had since.....................can't think that far...

Seriously I've been watching B:TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League and Justice league Unlimited and The Batman and liked them all, The batman was the best of them all IMO and they've canceled it for this awful show?

Sorry I know some people actually like it but I'll never understand why...

Then, why not tell us what's so bad about this series?

[Dark Dragon Ranger]

I enjoy the show. My entire family watches it together before Monk and Psych.

When I first saw that it was coming I was a little iffy but I do enjoy seeing lesser known heroes. Part of the reason I loved Justice League Unlimited.

[Anza Power]

This series trumps The Batman in almost every respect. The look of the show embraces the existing design of the characters we know and love, but with it's own visual spin. The characters are three dimensional and interesting. The stories have weight. The show is loads of fun. These are all ingredients that made the DCAU as successful as it was. Similarly, it's everything the first couple seasons of The Batman LACKED.

Plot? PLOT? oh for the love of........barely a single episode of all the eps that came out till now connect to another episode in the series, three dimensional charecaters you say? then why the hell haven't we ever heard of Bruce Wayen, Alfred, The Joker or anyone else of Batman's villains? Batman is never Batman without them, each and every one of them is essential to showing part of Batman's complex personality, instead they scratch all of them and make Batman open to be readable like a book...


I honestly suggest anyone who enjoys the character but has negative feelings towards this show actually give it a chance.

You don't know how hard I've tried to give this show a chance, because when Spectacular Spiderman trailers first started to show I was bashing it like there's no tomorrow, and now i turns out to beat the 90's Spiderman, I had really high hopes for this show to be exactly like SSM, but it turns out to be a total bummer...


Then, why not tell us what's so bad about this series?

In summary, awful costume, no continuing plot, none of anything that made Batman Batman in the past (Bruce Wayne, Alfred and all the others), and simply it's like they're trying to kill the franchise...

[Quark]

Plot? PLOT? oh for the love of........barely a single episode of all the eps that came out till now connect to another episode in the series, three dimensional charecaters you say? then why the hell haven't we ever heard of Bruce Wayen, Alfred, The Joker or anyone else of Batman's villains? Batman is never Batman without them, each and every one of them is essential to showing part of Batman's complex personality, instead they scratch all of them and make Batman open to be readable like a book...

So what? Since when does a show need a season spanning story arc? When did Batman: TAS have this? It's a series of stand alones, just like The Brave and the Bold. Just like the 60's series. Just like many comic books in general.

Alfred has been referred to several times, and appears in a flashback in Invasion of the Secret Santas. Robin has been alluded to aswell, and will be appearing later in the series.

The point of the series is to take Batman outside of Gotham City and having him interact with lesser knowns in the DC Universe. The crew has been very clear about this. They're trying to tell stories that haven't been told yet.



In summary, awful costume, no continuing plot, none of anything that made Batman Batman in the past (Bruce Wayne, Alfred and all the others), and simply it's like they're trying to kill the franchise...

How is the costume any different from what we've seen in animation for the past 20 years? The why and how of what made Bruce Wayne Batman has been told in little pieces throughout the series. Your notion that you need a continuing storyline from episode to episode to be "good" makes no sense to me.

[Mr. CD]

In summary, awful costume, no continuing plot, none of anything that made Batman Batman in the past (Bruce Wayne, Alfred and all the others), and simply it's like they're trying to kill the franchise...

Frank Miller tried to kill Batman. >.>

[Dark Dragon Ranger]

I read somewhere that Joker well be appearing in part 2 of the season finale and we have the Red Hood(Joker's alter-ego) from something like an anti-matter earth appearing next week.

[Quark]

I read somewhere that Joker well be appearing in part 2 of the season finale and we have the Red Hood(Joker's alter-ego) from something like an anti-matter earth appearing next week.

You are correct.

[Anza Power]

The point of the series is to take Batman outside of Gotham City and having him interact with lesser knowns in the DC Universe. The crew has been very clear about this. They're trying to tell stories that haven't been told yet.

Yes, and I would've totally loved the idea, if they've done it right and aimed the show towards something BESIDES preschool kids...

If they've made it something like it was in all the posters (Batman Green Arrow and Blue Beetle) living together going around the world teaming up with all les known DC heroes that's fine with me, great even, but the way they're doing it is the lamest as it can be.......


How is the costume any different from what we've seen in animation for the past 20 years?

ummm...The Blue cape and cowl, the flat head, and buffy mask maybe?

Again I say, I think the idea is good, but the way they're making it happen is what's bothering me...

[Mr. CD]

Yes, and I would've totally loved the idea, if they've done it right and aimed the show towards something BESIDES preschool kids...
So a Batman that aims for kids is for preschoolers?




ummm...The Blue cape and cowl, the flat head, and buffy mask maybe?

Have you seen Superfriend's version of Batman?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/804007346_e22df21609.jpg?v=0

[Quark]

Yes, and I would've totally loved the idea, if they've done it right and aimed the show towards something BESIDES preschool kids...

Like CD said, how exactly is it aimed towards preschool kids? Why do people try to blur the line between suitable for kids and made specifically for kids. You know what show is designed for the distinct function of educating young children? Dora the Explorer. The Brave and the Bold is a celebration a lighter era of the Dark Knights history, and throws tons of nods and winks to the adult fans: Things only OLDER FANS WOULD GET. Do you see the distinction?



If they've made it something like it was in all the posters (Batman Green Arrow and Blue Beetle) living together going around the world teaming up with all les known DC heroes that's fine with me, great even, but the way they're doing it is the lamest as it can be.......

Why would they be living together? You're upset about an absence of Alfred but would be okay with Arrow and Beetle bunking with Batman? What you described is exactly what the show is. It's like, ALL that it is. You CLEARLY haven't watched the show. How would you improve upon the formula?

[RyanRXP]

Then, why not tell us what's so bad about this series?

Let me handle that.
The voice acting is some of the worst voice acting I have seen in any show(including the horrible Sailor Moon dub), the show is destroying everything that Batman now stands for. Batman is no longer campy, he is now a dark character, but this show is even more campy than the 60's show. Also, durring the Aquaman episode, they were fighting underwater just like they were on land(meaning that they killed physics). Plus the show is the least intelegent show I have ever seen, and the episodes lack any sign of intelegence.

I like Batman, and I wanted to like this show. There are things I can ignore, but only if there are other good points, yet this show doesn't have any good points at all.
This show is so campy that it makes the Batman from the Scooby Doo movies look very dark.

[Quark]

Why am I not surprised?


Let me handle that.
The voice acting is some of the worst voice acting I have seen in any show(including the horrible Sailor Moon dub), the show is destroying everything that Batman now stands for. Batman is no longer campy, he is now a dark character, but this show is even more campy than the 60's show. Also, durring the Aquaman episode, they were fighting underwater just like they were on land(meaning that they killed physics). Plus the show is the least intelegent show I have ever seen, and the episodes lack any sign of intelegence.

John DiMaggio, Will Friedle, Tom Kenny, Dee Bradly Baker. The list goes on. What exactly about the voice acting is so terrible? How can you make such bold statements with no apparent attempt to back them up with reasons? EVER?

Batman is no longer campy? Tell that to someone who GREW UP with Adam West as their Batman. Everyone grew up with a different Batman. That's one of the most amazing things about the character. He has been interpreted in so many ways, and each interpretation brings something new and interested to the character. Except Clooney. But we all knew that already. Yeah, Dark Batman is popular right now. That doesn't make it the definitive version. The character is almost a century old.

Seriously, do you just copy and paste the same poor argument across the board? What is it next, is the animation the worstest you seen because of how terrible cartoons are now? Are you actively trying to piss me off? I have no problem being part of a constructive argument, but you're not offering anything to back up your accusations.

[Hears All]

So in other words you clearly haven't seen an episode of the show? And what do you consider kiddy? I'm just curious considering we're discussing this on a Power Rangers message board. You know, the show that has been insulting to children for the past 4 years.

I dont like seeing Batman become a joke. Look at how awesome hes portayed in Dark Knight, and then look at the care-free Batman of BATB, I dont gotta say much more

[Quark]

I dont gotta say much more

Promise? Please?

[Hears All]

Promise? Please?

So you got nothing to defend this "amazing" show right? Thats cool I guess

[Quark]

So you got nothing to defend this "amazing" show right? Thats cool I guess

I have the past two pages. I'm sorry, you're just not worth the effort of retyping it. Your attempt to get a rise out of me is proof enough of that. Now move along.

[RyanRXP]

Why am I not surprised?


John DiMaggio, Will Friedle, Tom Kenny, Dee Bradly Baker. The list goes on. What exactly about the voice acting is so terrible? How can you make such bold statements with no apparent attempt to back them up with reasons? EVER?

Batman is no longer campy? Tell that to someone who GREW UP with Adam West as their Batman. Everyone grew up with a different Batman. That's one of the most amazing things about the character. He has been interpreted in so many ways, and each interpretation brings something new and interested to the character. Except Clooney. But we all knew that already. Yeah, Dark Batman is popular right now. That doesn't make it the definitive version. The character is almost a century old.

Seriously, do you just copy and paste the same poor argument across the board? What is it next, is the animation the worstest you seen because of how terrible cartoons are now? Are you actively trying to piss me off? I have no problem being part of a constructive argument, but you're not offering anything to back up your accusations.

Look, the voice acting is horrible, and it doesn't matter who was voicing the characters because they are doing a horrible job at it.
And yes, I will complain about the fall of cartoons because this is yet another example of the lowering quality of cartoons.

And as for Batman having different interpretations, it does, but it has been dark since the 80's. Batman is no longer the campy show from the 60's. And speaking of that 60's show, that show is considered a joke, by all people(even people that grew up with it) Plus if you have to go back over 30 years to find an example of Batman being campy, it doesn't work to show modern Batman.


I mean, you can say that you want to have a disscussion, but you don't. You just want everyone to agree with your opinion about the show. Well guess what, not everyone agrees with you.

But if you really want a disscussion, why not try saying what you find to be good about it? Why don't you actually try to defend a show you like instead of attacking people that don't like it? I have pointed out why I think it is bad, so now it is your turn to point out why you think it is good.

[Hears All]

I have the past two pages. I'm sorry, you're just not worth the effort of retyping it. Your attempt to get a rise out of me is proof enough of that. Now move along.

A victory is a victory :D


John DiMaggio, Will Friedle, Tom Kenny, Dee Bradly Baker. The list goes on. What exactly about the voice acting is so terrible? How can you make such bold statements with no apparent attempt to back them up with reasons? EVER?

Those names mean nothing unless Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are in them. The fact that the company didn't get them back just means they dont really care about the show, there just running off the Batman hype that just came off The Dark Knight. They already know this show isint going in for the long haul, the first sign of rating drops this show is done

[Quark]

Look, the voice acting is horrible, and it doesn't matter who was voicing the characters because they are doing a horrible job at it.
And yes, I will complain about the fall of cartoons because this is yet another example of the lowering quality of cartoons.

And as for Batman having different interpretations, it does, but it has been dark since the 80's. Batman is no longer the campy show from the 60's. And speaking of that 60's show, that show is considered a joke, by all people(even people that grew up with it) Plus if you have to go back over 30 years to find an example of Batman being campy, it doesn't work to show modern Batman.


I mean, you can say that you want to have a disscussion, but you don't. You just want everyone to agree with your opinion about the show. Well guess what, not everyone agrees with you.

But if you really want a disscussion, why not try saying what you find to be good about it? Why don't you actually try to defend a show you like instead of attacking people that don't like it? I have pointed out why I think it is bad, so now it is your turn to point out why you think it is good.

Yeah, um, the 60's version was intentionally campy. It never tried to take itself seriously. TBATB retains the best elements of the 60s series and the Silver Age, while fitting it within what's acceptable for today's audience. How about an example?

In Invasion of the Secret Santas, we have Toyman rigging toys to steal from families Christmas morning. Off the wall kind of stuff. In the midst of all this, we have a confused Red Tornado trying to understand the emotions human feel during this time of year.

On top of that, Batman is dealing with the guilt of how poorly he treated his parents before their death. The series has weight. It has larger than life characters with some off the wall antics, but the characters feel real. There's real emotion.

The stories are carefully constructed, like in, oh say, Fall of the Blue Beetle. An episode where Beetle struggles with whether or not he has the qualities that make him worthy of the the scarab. Throughout the episode they weave in bits of information about the previous Beetle, seemingly irrelevant, until it dovetails in the end.

Care is put into this show. You can tell the people working on it WANT to make a good show. And it shows through the storytelling. So, what else do you want? This on top of everyone i've already said, lemme know what else I need to say.

I hope you can look at your posts and realize your arguments are the equivalent of me saying "This show is great because it is really good. Cartoons have only gotten better, they're really great. I like this show because it's not bad."

I never force someone to think my way. I was hoping to find maybe one or two people who actually wanted to talk about this show. It's clear you don't. So why don't you leave the standard "I have a right to an opinion and if you can't see that i'm leaving" post and move on? Do we have to do this all day? Because I will, if you want. I have more examples.



Those names mean nothing unless Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are in them. The fact that the company didn't get them back just means they dont really care about the show, there just running off the Batman hype that just came off The Dark Knight. They already know this show isint going in for the long haul, the first sign of rating drops this show is done

Strike 2, HearsAll. People said the same thing about The Batman, and it went 5 seasons. We all know strike 3 is coming, but how will he do it?

[Hears All]

Strike 2, HearsAll. People said the same thing about The Batman, and it went 5 seasons. We all know strike 3 is coming, but how will he do it?

Wow...The Batman premiered in 2004, Dark Knight premiered in 2008. The Batman lasted because it was actually a good show...unlike The Brave and the Bold. You do realize your the only person defending this show right lol

[Quark]

Wow...The Batman premiered in 2004, Dark Knight premiered in 2008. The Batman lasted because it was actually a good show...unlike The Brave and the Bold. You do realize your the only person defending this show right lol

Ya, in case you didn't notice, Batman Begins came out in 2005. The Batman was an attempt to further the buzz that Batman was back. TBATB serves the same purpose for The Dark Knight. lolz Strike 3.

[Hears All]

Ya, in case you didn't notice, Batman Begins came out in 2005. The Batman was an attempt to further the buzz that Batman was back. TBATB serves the same purpose for The Dark Knight. lolz Strike 3.

TBATB does not in any way relate to Dark Knight, Dark Knight was amazing and aimed for an older audience. TBATB is crap and aimed for 2 year olds.

The Batman served the purpose to bring back hype for Batman Begins, yes, but it was actually good and lasted on TV. TBATB is a cheap excuse to use the Dark Knights success to get some quick ratings until another show is made to replace

[RyanRXP]

Yeah, um, the 60's version was intentionally campy. It never tried to take itself seriously. TBATB retains the best elements of the 60s series and the Silver Age, while fitting it within what's acceptable for today's audience. How about an example?

In Invasion of the Secret Santas, we have Toyman rigging toys to steal from families Christmas morning. Off the wall kind of stuff. In the midst of all this, we have a confused Red Tornado trying to understand the emotions human feel during this time of year.

On top of that, Batman is dealing with the guilt of how poorly he treated his parents before their death. The series has weight. It has larger than life characters with some off the wall antics, but the characters feel real. There's real emotion.

The stories are carefully constructed, like in, oh say, Fall of the Blue Beetle. An episode where Beetle struggles with whether or not he has the qualities that make him worthy of the the scarab. Throughout the episode they weave in bits of information about the previous Beetle, seemingly irrelevant, until it dovetails in the end.

Care is put into this show. You can tell the people working on it WANT to make a good show. And it shows through the storytelling. So, what else do you want? This on top of everyone i've already said, lemme know what else I need to say.

I hope you can look at your posts and realize your arguments are the equivalent of me saying "This show is great because it is really good. Cartoons have only gotten better, they're really great. I like this show because it's not bad."

I never force someone to think my way. I was hoping to find maybe one or two people who actually wanted to talk about this show. It's clear you don't. So why don't you leave the standard "I have a right to an opinion and if you can't see that i'm leaving" post and move on? Do we have to do this all day? Because I will, if you want. I have more examples.

None of those examples make the show any good. Look it is clear that care is not put into this show. It is clear that the show is made woth the mindset of "this is made for 5 year olds, so we don't have to even think about trying to make the show good because they won't know the difference between good and bad." Plus if there really was care taken into this show, why does it have episodes that don't even try to think about physics? I mean, in Evil Under the Sea, they were fighting underwater the same wexact way they fight on land. And I don't know what you consider a carefully constructed story, but I can honestly say that every episode I have seen does not have carefullky constructed stories.

Plus you can't say that being campy is a good thing. Do you even know why Batman became popular again, or why so many people speak so highly of the past two Batman movies? It is because everyone knows that Batman is a dark character. Batamn is a super hero that is almost a villain and fights crime by use of fear. But this Batman does not. I mean there isn't even any point of bringing in the Joker into this show because the Joker is Batman's most dangerous villain because he doesn't fear Batman, yet there is no reason at all to fear this Batman. Plus you still haven't defended your point about Batman still being campy.

I mean you can say that the characters feel real, but they don't. They are very one dimesnional. I mean, look at The Eyes of Despero, that was just a bunch of one demensional characters that are anything but real. The same goes for Day of the Dark Knight.

And since you want to defend the show's voice actors, please try to defend Batman's voice actor. I don't know who is worse, this guy for Batman, or Steven Blum for Wolverine(I like Blum, and he is great, but he was bad for that role). And the rest of the voice acting is terible as well. For example, Green Arrow's, Green Lantern's(any of the GL's) I mean, I think I saw Andrea Romano's name attached to this show, and if I did, I am very dissapointed in her. She is far better than this.

[Quark]

TBATB does not in any way relate to Dark Knight, Dark Knight was amazing and aimed for an older audience. TBATB is crap and aimed for 2 year olds.

The Batman served the purpose to bring back hype for Batman Begins, yes, but it was actually good and lasted on TV. TBATB is a cheap excuse to use the Dark Knights success to get some quick ratings until another show is made to replace

Okay, so only The Batman was created to hype the franchise? Not The Animated Series after Burtons film came out? And not TBATB after The Dark Knight came out? Bruce Timm has said without Burton's film there would be no TAS. Are you really going to overlook this obvious pattern?

[RyanRXP]

Okay, so only The Batman was created to hype the franchise? Not The Animated Series after Burtons film came out? And not TBATB after The Dark Knight came out? Bruce Timm has said without Burton's film there would be no TAS. Are you really going to overlook this obvious pattern?

Yes, but you can't say that the shows are made just to hype up movies. Batman cartoons are normally made around the time as the movies because it is at those points that Batman is at its peek popularity. But that only aplies to this and Batman TAS. The Batman was made because Batman was still at high popularity following the DCAU. Plus you can't say that they are just made to hype up movies because it is a fact that Batman Beyond was almost turned into a movie, but they went with Batman Begins instead, so the cartoons were at a very high level of popularity even without the movies.

[Quark]

None of those examples make the show any good. Look it is clear that care is not put into this show. It is clear that the show is made woth the mindset of "this is made for 5 year olds, so we don't have to even think about trying to make the show good because they won't know the difference between good and bad." Plus if there really was care taken into this show, why does it have episodes that don't even try to think about physics? I mean, in Evil Under the Sea, they were fighting underwater the same wexact way they fight on land. And I don't know what you consider a carefully constructed story, but I can honestly say that every episode I have seen does not have carefullky constructed stories.

Why do you insist on using the physics argument? Laws are bent in storytelling to make it more fun an engaging. Or, ya know, to tell a better story. Even the greatest films set on the highest pedestal are guilty of this.


Plus you can't say that being campy is a good thing. Do you even know why Batman became popular again, or why so many people speak so highly of the past two Batman movies? It is because everyone knows that Batman is a dark character. Batamn is a super hero that is almost a villain and fights crime by use of fear. But this Batman does not. I mean there isn't even any point of bringing in the Joker into this show because the Joker is Batman's most dangerous villain because he doesn't fear Batman, yet there is no reason at all to fear this Batman. Plus you still haven't defended your point about Batman still being campy.

Yeah, that's an interpretation of him. I hate to burst your bubble, but Adam West helped make Batman a household name. After the 60's series Batman wasn't just a detective in the funnies anymore, he was blasted into pop culture. Batman as we know him wouldn't exist without the 60's version. The number of petitions and fans begging the show to be released on DVD is outstanding. It is the SINGLE MOST REQUESTED TELEVISION TITLE TO BE RELEASED ON DVD. Find a poll that says otherwise. I prefer a darker Batman, but I enjoy a lighthearted Batman just as much, just for different reasons. How else am I supposed to defend it? It's fun to watch. Things get off the wall and goofy, but Batman remains the straight man throughout all of it. He's the one you identify with, because YOU'RE ROLLING YOUR EYES ALONG WITH HIM.




I mean you can say that the characters feel real, but they don't. They are very one dimesnional. I mean, look at The Eyes of Despero, that was just a bunch of one demensional characters that are anything but real. The same goes for Day of the Dark Knight.

Yeah, you continue to not throw out specifics, yet demand them of me. Thanks.



And since you want to defend the show's voice actors, please try to defend Batman's voice actor. I don't know who is worse, this guy for Batman, or Steven Blum for Wolverine(I like Blum, and he is great, but he was bad for that role). And the rest of the voice acting is terible as well. For example, Green Arrow's, Green Lantern's(any of the GL's) I mean, I think I saw Andrea Romano's name attached to this show, and if I did, I am very dissapointed in her. She is far better than this.

Diedrich Bader plays a good square jaw Batman. He doesn't bring anything new to the role, but delivers a solid performance. What are you comparing it to? Bale's Batman voice?

[Quark]

Yes, but you can't say that the shows are made just to hype up movies. Batman cartoons are normally made around the time as the movies because it is at those points that Batman is at its peek popularity. But that only aplies to this and Batman TAS. The Batman was made because Batman was still at high popularity following the DCAU. Plus you can't say that they are just made to hype up movies because it is a fact that Batman Beyond was almost turned into a movie, but they went with Batman Begins instead, so the cartoons were at a very high level of popularity even without the movies.


Yeah, the press releases will tell you otherwise.

[ThisSpaceForRent]

Camp, kitsch, and fanboy love for lesser seen/known DC characters? What's not to love?
I'm not a huge DC fan, but BatB is pretty awesome in my opinion.

[Quark]

Camp, kitsch, and fanboy love for lesser seen/known DC characters? What's not to love?
I'm not a huge DC fan, but BatB is pretty awesome in my opinion.

Today, you are my hero.

[Blueranger]

I don't recall any other Batman series showing other non-popular DC heroes or villains. People might think BATB is going against what Batman's presona is but this is directed to the kid-friendly Batman.

[Anza Power]

Sorry for the long post, I know I always bash people who argue with posts like these, but I have to respond to each every thing that is said here...


So a Batman that aims for kids is for preschoolers?

Have you seen Superfriend's version of Batman?

[img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/804007346_e22df21609.jpg?v=0[img]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=188

"The show is slated to skew young and will also be appropriate for the preschoolers market"

And yeah I have seen the SF version of batman, but what has been going on in the past 20 years, all the hype and the fandom is revolving around the darker Batman that started rising to wider range of viewers through 88's Batman, then embraced with TAS, the rest of the films and all that which came after...

Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good, if they're trying to recreate the old silver age Batman why would they aim the show to the young viewers while they should be aiming it towards their grandparents who did grow up on it?


Why would they be living together? You're upset about an absence of Alfred but would be okay with Arrow and Beetle bunking with Batman? What you described is exactly what the show is. It's like, ALL that it is. You CLEARLY haven't watched the show. How would you improve upon the formula?

I didn't mean living together and being best buds and stuff, just meant that at first I loved the idea of Batman show that revolves around other main characters that Bats, but while Blue Beetle appeared in 2/11 episodes and Green Arrow in 1/11 episodes yet they both appeared in almost all the promotional ads and stuff...

And I HAVE watched every episode of this show still trying to make it grow on me, I've had experience with a lot of shows that appear awful at first like MTV Spiderman, Kamen Rider Dragon Knight and above all Spectacular Spiderman, but this show?


In Invasion of the Secret Santas, we have Toyman rigging toys to steal from families Christmas morning. Off the wall kind of stuff. In the midst of all this, we have a confused Red Tornado trying to understand the emotions human feel during this time of year.

On top of that, Batman is dealing with the guilt of how poorly he treated his parents before their death. The series has weight. It has larger than life characters with some off the wall antics, but the characters feel real. There's real emotion.

Riiiiiiight........it's like throwing a pinch of sweet sparkles on a PICKLES cake, yeah I remember that ep, and all that scene seemed totally out of place, and out of complete randomness, real emotion can be found in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, real emotion can be found in Spectacular Spiderman, but in this show? you can find more real emotion in a potato sack...


Ya, in case you didn't notice, Batman Begins came out in 2005. The Batman was an attempt to further the buzz that Batman was back. TBATB serves the same purpose for The Dark Knight. lolz Strike 3.

Oh dude please don't tell me you just said this show was to embrace TDK? the darkest and most successful Batman movie up to date which most embraces the dark side of Batman and the franchise, be embraced through this self destructing show?

[RyanRXP]

Why do you insist on using the physics argument? Laws are bent in storytelling to make it more fun an engaging. Or, ya know, to tell a better story. Even the greatest films set on the highest pedestal are guilty of this.

Yeah, that's an interpretation of him. I hate to burst your bubble, but Adam West helped make Batman a household name. After the 60's series Batman wasn't just a detective in the funnies anymore, he was blasted into pop culture. Batman as we know him wouldn't exist without the 60's version. The number of petitions and fans begging the show to be released on DVD is outstanding. It is the SINGLE MOST REQUESTED TELEVISION TITLE TO BE RELEASED ON DVD. Find a poll that says otherwise. I prefer a darker Batman, but I enjoy a lighthearted Batman just as much, just for different reasons. How else am I supposed to defend it? It's fun to watch. Things get off the wall and goofy, but Batman remains the straight man throughout all of it. He's the one you identify with, because YOU'RE ROLLING YOUR EYES ALONG WITH HIM.



Yeah, you continue to not throw out specifics, yet demand them of me. Thanks.



Diedrich Bader plays a good square jaw Batman. He doesn't bring anything new to the role, but delivers a solid performance. What are you comparing it to? Bale's Batman voice?

1. There is a big difference between bending physics, and completely ignoring them. If you fight underwater, you can't move the same as if you were on land. All that shows is that the people making the show are lazy and don't even care to think about basic physics, or put any real amount of care into the show.
2.Yes, people enjoyed that show, and no one can deny its place in history, but looking back it is only considered a show that was so bad it was a joke. It is highly requested because it is still the only live action Batman show, and people like batman. Plus, that show was made in the 60's(that was almost 50 years ago), things change, and Batman is no longer a campy character.
3. I don't see how I am not using specific examples. I gave you episodes that back up my point. Plus, I never asked you to use specific examples, I was only asking you to give reasons as to why you like the show so we can actually be in a real 2-sided conversation.
4. I have no clue what you mean by square jaw. To me he doesn't have the rightvoice for the role, and I say, out of all the Batman Cartoons, he has the worst Batman voice. Plus, it isn't just him, if it was just him I can ignore it, but it almost every single voice on the show. That is why you saying who the voice actors were didn't mean anything, because their voices didn't match the characters.
5. I am not comparing him to only Bale's voice, but all of them from Adam West, to Michael Keaton, to Kevin Conroy, to Bale. So basically every Batman I have heard.


I never force someone to think my way. I was hoping to find maybe one or two people who actually wanted to talk about this show. It's clear you don't. So why don't you leave the standard "I have a right to an opinion and if you can't see that i'm leaving" post and move on? Do we have to do this all day? Because I will, if you want. I have more examples.

Strike 2, HearsAll. People said the same thing about The Batman, and it went 5 seasons. We all know strike 3 is coming, but how will he do it?

1. Why would I leave? You asked for every one's thoughts on the show in your first post, so I am giving mine. You find the need to disscuss this with me, so I am still here.
2. The Batman was a much better show than this. I will admit that I, like all of those people that were insulting the show, didn't really give it a chance(based on my dislike for its art style, and me comparing the voices to BatmanTAS). But then I sat down and watched the first 2 seasons, and it was far better than I thought, and far better than this show.


I don't recall any other Batman series showing other non-popular DC heroes or villains.

That is because a Batman cartoon is about Batman. There is no point in making a Batman cartoon that is about non-popular heros, that is what the Justice League is for.

[Quark]

1. There is a big difference between bending physics, and completely ignoring them. If you fight underwater, you can't move the same as if you were on land. All that shows is that the people making the show are lazy and don't even care to think about basic physics, or put any real amount of care into the show.

YES YOU CAN COMPLETELY IGNORE PHYSICS. Watch any science fiction movie. Right now. Go. Stop singling out one show to support your argument, it really frustrates me.


2.Yes, people enjoyed that show, and no one can deny its place in history, but looking back it is only considered a show that was so bad it was a joke. It is highly requested because it is still the only live action Batman show, and people like batman. Plus, that show was made in the 60's(that was almost 50 years ago), things change, and Batman is no longer a campy character.

So, the unprecedented demand for the series on DVD implies no one is interested in a campy Batman?


3. I don't see how I am not using specific examples. I gave you episodes that back up my point. Plus, I never asked you to use specific examples, I was only asking you to give reasons as to why you like the show so we can actually be in a real 2-sided conversation.

Aside from your whole physics thing, you list names of episodes and say that "it sure had those bad things I keep saying." I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you've actually watched this show but you're not demonstrating it very well.


4. I have no clue what you mean by square jaw. To me he doesn't have the rightvoice for the role, and I say, out of all the Batman Cartoons, he has the worst Batman voice. Plus, it isn't just him, if it was just him I can ignore it, but it almost every single voice on the show. That is why you saying who the voice actors were didn't mean anything, because their voices didn't match the characters.
I don't understand how he screws up the voice. It sounds like a deep, no nonsense superhero voice. That's the pre-req for Batman. It's hard to get over the fact that he was Oswald on the Drew Carey Show, but other than that it's fine.



1. Why would I leave? You asked for every one's thoughts on the show in your first post, so I am giving mine. You find the need to disscuss this with me, so I am still here.

Uh huh. Thing is, normally if someone saw a thread they didn't like they'd perhaps argue for a while and be on their way. I loathe Professional wrestling, but you don't see me stalking that thread and demanding to know why it's great.

I desperately wanted to disucss the show, but we both seem to show up with both barrels loaded anytime the other one speaks, so i'm not going to play innocent. The point i'm trying to make here is, in the past 5 months i've been here, i've started 2 threads.

You've managed to completely and thoroughly derail both of them by relentlessly egging me on, and yeah it's my own fault for being so easy to get a rise out of. I just wanted to thank you for that. You are, without a doubt, this boards Super Fan.

Let me be completely clear here. I have absolutely no interest in further argument with you. You argue vague points in repetition until either you get bored or feel you're right. You've don't it numerous times. I'm done talking AT you, because it's clearly impossible to talk WITH you.

You're likely going to take this as my surrender to the argument, and feel free. I hope deep down you realize how awful your arguments are. The Spectacular Spider-man thread is a beautiful realization of that. The way you try and argue the mechanics of an art form you don't even have a rudimentary understanding of is fantastic.

I'll give you the last word here. Then, Go. Away.

[Anza Power]

^ Hmmm where did I see a post like that at an end of an argument before? let me think, oh I know, every discussion thread!

[Go-on Black]

i didnt like this show a first but i have to admit it's grown on me since the green lantern episode

[RyanRXP]

YES YOU CAN COMPLETELY IGNORE PHYSICS. Watch any science fiction movie. Right now. Go. Stop singling out one show to support your argument, it really frustrates me.

So, the unprecedented demand for the series on DVD implies no one is interested in a campy Batman?

Aside from your whole physics thing, you list names of episodes and say that "it sure had those bad things I keep saying." I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you've actually watched this show but you're not demonstrating it very well.
I don't understand how he screws up the voice. It sounds like a deep, no nonsense superhero voice. That's the pre-req for Batman. It's hard to get over the fact that he was Oswald on the Drew Carey Show, but other than that it's fine.


Uh huh. Thing is, normally if someone saw a thread they didn't like they'd perhaps argue for a while and be on their way. I loathe Professional wrestling, but you don't see me stalking that thread and demanding to know why it's great.

I desperately wanted to disucss the show, but we both seem to show up with both barrels loaded anytime the other one speaks, so i'm not going to play innocent. The point i'm trying to make here is, in the past 5 months i've been here, i've started 2 threads.

You've managed to completely and thoroughly derail both of them by relentlessly egging me on, and yeah it's my own fault for being so easy to get a rise out of. I just wanted to thank you for that. You are, without a doubt, this boards Super Fan.

Let me be completely clear here. I have absolutely no interest in further argument with you. You argue vague points in repetition until either you get bored or feel you're right. You've don't it numerous times. I'm done talking AT you, because it's clearly impossible to talk WITH you.

You're likely going to take this as my surrender to the argument, and feel free. I hope deep down you realize how awful your arguments are. The Spectacular Spider-man thread is a beautiful realization of that. The way you try and argue the mechanics of an art form you don't even have a rudimentary understanding of is fantastic.

I'll give you the last word here. Then, Go. Away.


Seriously, why on earth are you getting so worked up about this? It is just a cartoon. Just because I don't like it, it must be because I am trying to ruin your life, get over yourself. You are the one who started throwing around insults for no reason. You say that am not doing a good job at showing I saw the show, but why? I have given my opinions, and I have told you episodes that back up those points. Don't act like you are putting so much effort in your posts, and stop acting like you are posting any more specific examples than me, because you are not. I really don't think you can even defend any good points about this show.
Plus you can't complain about me repeating the same points, because that is exactly what you are doing about the 60's Batman. All you keep on saying is that people like it. I never said they didn't, all I said is that the 60's Batman is not the modern day Batman, and it is foolish to go back to a style of Batman that died in th 80's.

Also, you don't have any right at all to complain about the quality of my posts, when you can't even defend this show without attacking others.

[Quark]

^ Hmmm where did I see a post like that at an end of an argument before? let me think, oh I know, every discussion thread!

Really? Where else?

[bluebox40]

This batman completly sucks! I prefer the superfriends/scooby-doo batman over this one. While the Adam West batman was'nt serious, I did enjoy it more than B&B. Adam West batman was ment to be funny. I can not a name batman with a worse voice. There's no way with his voice I could ever take B&B seriously. I know all about batman's earlier personality. I have read a good deal of those earlier comics as well. They may have a good story, but to me his "silver age" will never be truely batman. Finally the art style. WTF where they thinking? They gave him the duck doger's art style. In have to wonder why that art style? Dose it take place in the duck doger's universe? A show witch was never ment to be serious. They expect us to take this series seriously? Hmmm, no way can I ever take this batman seriously. Little girls and boys, welcome to the 5 year and younger batman series.

[Quark]

This batman completly sucks! I prefer the superfriends/scooby-doo batman over this one. While the Adam West batman was'nt serious, I did enjoy it more than B&B. Adam West batman was ment to be funny. I can not a name batman with a worse voice. There's no way with his voice I could ever take B&B seriously. I know all about batman's earlier personality. I have read a good deal of those earlier comics as well. They may have a good story, but to me his "silver age" will never be truely batman. Finally the art style. WTF where they thinking? They gave him the duck doger's art style. In have to wonder why that art style? Dose it take place in the duck doger's universe? A show witch was never ment to be serious. They expect us to take this series seriously? Hmmm, no way can I ever take this batman seriously. Little girls and boys, welcome to the 5 year and younger batman series.

That's the thing though, Batman isn't trying to be funny in this show. He's the character you identify with as he gets entangled in these sort of ridiculous adventures. He's the same serious, brooding character we know him as.
I think the show's really interesting because it doesn't give you the silly Batman from that era. We get the 80's and forward Batman, but having to team up with Plastic Man, or fight Clock King. It's a really fresh take on what we've seen a hundred times before.
The art style seems to draw quite a bit from D ick Sprang, this is really apparent when you see how they've decided to design Joker. It's an aquired taste, but anyone who appreciates the past can't help but love the nod to the B-man's history.
Like Anza Power said, this show is skewed to a younger market, and appropriate for the pre-school market. But, like I said earlier, there's a difference between being appropriate for children, and made specifically for children.
People with poor arguing skills blur the line between that to bad mouth the show. I remember the exact same thing when The Batman first came out. Nothing but complaining about what a terrible kid show it was and a horrible follow up to TAS. But, per the way the internet works, give it time and people will come around.

[Zarius]

They expect us to take this series seriously

I can't even take YOU seriously with narrow-minded, charmless guff like this.

As for the Silver Age not being "truley Batman"...the joke's on you. In Final Crisis, Grant Morrison made the DC Comics Batman the same person living mutliple different lives in all 52 universes one after the other. THIS IS TRULEY BATMAN

TBATB isnt meant to be taken seriously, it's a fun light-hearted series with a straight man lead, emulating a style that many were raised on some very harmless, innocent comics.

As Quark's said, the cliched, boring internet whiners complain about everything, then they end up respecting the series right around it's second or third season, then commence the cycle of moronic whining again. Aany idiot who complains about this kind of throwback series isnt a true Batman fan at all.

[bluebox40]

Go to hell! I am not complaining about this series at all. Whats with you *******s asking for an opinion of a series, than turning around and saying we are not aloud to have an opinion unless its the same as yours!?

Asking for opinion and saying we're not aloud to disagree is very wrong. You and others do this to start a flame war. You people need to grow up. I am not gotten sit here and voice my opinion just for you to bash it. Good luck finding some else to flame.

[Quark]

Go to hell! I am not complaining about this series at all. Whats with you *******s asking for an opinion of a series, than turning around and saying we are not aloud to have an opinion unless its the same as yours!?


If you re-read my post... I think you'll find I wasn't trying to take your opinion away from you, or force you to change you opinion. I was responding to each of your points with my thoughts.

[Mr. Silver]

OK that's enough. CJ, that language will not be tolerated on this board and I've been monitoring the back and forth with this conversation and all of you are allowed to have your own opinions. There is no right and wrong there. What is wrong is the bashing of other people whose opinions don't match your own.

I personally like BATB. I like it because I'm taking it as what it was meant to be, not a The Batman or Batman TAS copy, but a fun show tailored for a younger audience which has been quite entertaining to this point.

Please continue to express your opinions, but be respectful to one another.

[Dark Dragon Ranger]

so I'll throw my two bits in.

Batman has generally reflected the times. You can see different personalities throughout the comics as times change. Before he was killed Batman had become slightly friendlier. Now I loved The Batman and the 90s cartoon. This is ok with me because I just like seeing characters. I think it fits the demographic and will catch the attention of kids hooking them to batman and shifting their attention to better batman meduims as they grow. It also has the character bonuses for fans.

Compared to some of the cartoons currently on Cartoon Network I'd gladly take Brave and the Bold.

[Quark]

I think it fits the demographic and will catch the attention of kids hooking them to batman and shifting their attention to better batman meduims as they grow. It also has the character bonuses for fans.

I agree. That's kind of always been the point of animated Batman. It draws kids into the character from an early age, as I was by TAS and reruns of the 60's series.

And if I could throw in something else I neglected to note before:
It's really worrisome the way people misconstrued this show as strictly preschool entertainment. The show deals with death. It's been a dominant storyline. Batman has actually died on the show. Words like kill and death are indeed acknowledged as existing.

Compare this to The Batman, which seems be be highly praised 'round these parts. The show was censored. Almost to the degree of the 90's Spider-man series. The police force were equipped with laser guns. The larger than life schemes and overall antics of the villains screamed Adam West. Even at the top of it's game, The Batman could only hint at the possibility of death. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed most of the series. But make no mistake, the first two seasons were aiming solely to be a kewl action cartoon with lots of flash and no substance. It wasn't until the tail end of the second season that we saw the show pick up speed. BATB strives for more, right from the get-go.

It maintains a light spirit for the young viewer. It's a solid action series for the mindless violence crowd. It includes clever over the youngin's head jokes, and homages to the comic's history that only a veteran fan would appreciate.

BATB is truely a show for all ages, and all fan levels.

[ThisSpaceForRent]

If you re-read my post... I think you'll find I wasn't trying to take your opinion away from you, or force you to change you opinion. I was responding to each of your points with my thoughts.

You may find that is an unpopular practice around here. Apparently, contesting the opinions of others with the counterbalancing opinions of your own is tantamount to cussin' out somebody's mama to certain frequenters to this board.



Batman has generally reflected the times. You can see different personalities throughout the comics as times change. Before he was killed Batman had become slightly friendlier. Now I loved The Batman and the 90s cartoon. This is ok with me because I just like seeing characters. I think it fits the demographic and will catch the attention of kids hooking them to batman and shifting their attention to better batman meduims as they grow. It also has the character bonuses for fans.

I think I agree. The biggest draw for me is the inclusion of the "Guest Star" characters, many of which happen to either be fan or cult favorites who don't usually get much love, especially not in the animated media. So what if the title isn't "Justice League" or whatever, every episode features Batman... it's not a deal-breaker, in my opinion, for those episodes to also feature other characters.

Besides, BatB Aquaman and Blue Beetle are adorable.


Compared to some of the cartoons currently on Cartoon Network I'd gladly take Brave and the Bold.

I could not agree more. Cartoon Network, in recent years, has completely fallen off.

[bluebox40]

If you re-read my post... I think you'll find I wasn't trying to take your opinion away from you, or force you to change you opinion. I was responding to each of your points with my thoughts.

My comments were completly aimed at Zarius. almost in every thread he implys if you dont agree with him u must be wrong.

[Zarius]

Usually they are.

...And thanks for the laugh. I needed it.

[Quark]

I think I agree. The biggest draw for me is the inclusion of the "Guest Star" characters, many of which happen to either be fan or cult favorites who don't usually get much love, especially not in the animated media. So what if the title isn't "Justice League" or whatever, every episode features Batman... it's not a deal-breaker, in my opinion, for those episodes to also feature other characters.

Besides, BatB Aquaman and Blue Beetle are adorable.



If it was just another Batman series, I probably wouldn't be too inclined to watch it. Seems like we just got done with The Batman. I mean, how many more directions can they take him in right now? Maybe some of these C-list characters will gain enough popularity to merit their own series. I like Batman, but he needs to rest for a couple years in animation. Or remain as he is currently, sharing the spotlight with unsung heroes of the DC universe.

[Zarius]

I'm fairly certain we'll get a darker Batman series once TBATB concludes. This is more of an artistic challenge than a serious next step and it's just to make a buck until the third movie arrives.

[Quark]

Anywhoo.

Anyone catch Deep Cover For Batman?

The way they used Red Hood was even better than I had envisioned (based on the spoilery stuff I saw). Am I correct in saying this is the first time he's appeared in animation? Anyhow, it was nice to see the new spin they put on introducing the Joker for this series, and the design of the batcave was pretty sexy. Part 2 looks promising.

[Anza Power]

Just finished watching ep 12, it's a big change for the show (for the better), and the show became nicer, hope the next ep will be all Gotham City and Batman himself and Batman Enemies then maybe this show won't be so bad after all, I really liked how they brought up a dark side Batman through Owlman, and "Red Hood", and Gotham City and the Bat-cave and at the end with that cliff-hanger, this episode is the best of the season yet, 6/10 (and the average for me for all the other eps is 3/10)...

[Quark]

I don't see that happening, as the entire premise of the show is to get Batman out of Gotham City and interact with other villains. Unless the second season keeps him closer to home, I anticipate they'll leave Gotham and the rogue's gallery for finale episodes. We know they'll do it at least one more time, as they've said Robin will be appearing.

[Anza Power]

I don't see that happening, as the entire premise of the show is to get Batman out of Gotham City and interact with other villains. Unless the second season keeps him closer to home, I anticipate they'll leave Gotham and the rogue's gallery for finale episodes. We know they'll do it at least one more time, as they've said Robin will be appearing.

Well at the end of the episode they had a "Next on Batman" thing, I didn't watch it cause I don't like those things but I I think I did see a glimps of some stuff I won't spoil to everybody here about...

And if they do stick with Gotham, that will be a major change for the better...

[Quark]

Well at the end of the episode they had a "Next on Batman" thing, I didn't watch it cause I don't like those things but I I think I did see a glimps of some stuff I won't spoil to everybody here about...

And if they do stick with Gotham, that will be a major change for the better...

Oh, I just meant for next season. Part 2 will definitely be in Gotham.

[Mnemosyne Symphonique]

I'm fairly certain we'll get a darker Batman series once TBATB concludes. This is more of an artistic challenge than a serious next step and it's just to make a buck until the third movie arrives.

I agree but I hope they call it "Gotham City" if they make a new Batman cartoon but have where you different stuff happen not always Batman.

[Zarius]

That I seriously doubt. I'd like to see a series where Batman is treated more like a myth from the perspectives of people who live in the city, but it wouldnt fit in a market perfectly happy being toyetic at the moment.

[Quark]

That I seriously doubt. I'd like to see a series where Batman is treated more like a myth from the perspectives of people who live in the city, but it wouldnt fit in a market perfectly happy being toyetic at the moment.

Maybe a GCPD direct to video release?


Game Over For Owlman, anyone?
I preferred part one, personally. Still nice to see the Joker.

[Anza Power]

What's everyone's thought on ep 13?

It was really cool getting back to Gotham City and seeing the Joker and stuff, but man that Joker SUCKED! WORST design and voice acting EVER! though he did have some cool and funny moments, but man how could ANYONE approve that awful design?

Other than that the Joker was still funny most of the time, and the ep itself in total was a great improvement IMO, nothing to complain about...

[Quark]

It was really cool getting back to Gotham City and seeing the Joker and stuff, but man that Joker SUCKED! WORST design and voice acting EVER! though he did have some cool and funny moments, but man how could ANYONE approve that awful design?


I'm going to resurrect D ick Sprang, and we're going to come to your house and beat you up. What's your address?

[Anza Power]

I'm going to resurrect D ick Sprang, and we're going to come to your house and beat you up. What's your address?

What the? you mean you actually LIKED that design? dude! I'd make a better Joker out of somebody if I throw a carbon bomb at his face, that was no Joker, that was a paper cutout from that character of our local mayor at the newspaper funnies...

Seriously, this one episode they do everything right, they just HAD to mess it up with that design, I mean the plot and scripts the Joker had were cool and funny for once, and the episode itself could've been the best of the season...

[Zarius]

What the? you mean you actually LIKED that design? dude! I'd make a better Joker out of somebody if I throw a carbon bomb at his face, that was no Joker, that was a paper cutout from that character of our local mayor at the newspaper funnies...

..And hence you miss the entire point of The Brave and The Bold....

[Anza Power]

..And hence you miss the entire point of The Brave and The Bold....

Oh, you talking about the point of messing up each character's name and legend and destroying it?

[Quark]

Oh, you talking about the point of messing up each character's name and legend and destroying it?

Yep, you missed the point. I'm sorry Anza Power, but any one who knows the "name and legend" of Batman know exactly what this show is about. ANYONE with even an ounce of respect for Batman PRE - 1980 understands this show. And more than likely, enjoys it. You don't.

[NCBradin]

Very similar face there.

[Go-on Black]

i really didnt care for the voice but it grew on me
i wouldve used the animated series voice it was better

loved seeing all the parallel batmans batmen whats the plural of batmen

[Mr. Silver]

Very similar face there.

QFT!


Oh, you talking about the point of messing up each character's name and legend and destroying it?

It's funny that someone who has not hesistated to rag on this particular Batman incarnation for not being more similar to past incarnations complains when they actually do something that does resemble past incarnations(Joker's Design)

[Anza Power]

Yep, you missed the point. I'm sorry Anza Power, but any one who knows the "name and legend" of Batman know exactly what this show is about. ANYONE with even an ounce of respect for Batman PRE - 1980 understands this show. And more than likely, enjoys it. You don't.

Well, ok you have a point there, but I, like thousands of other fans, know the legend of 1980+ Batman and 1980+ Batman villains, the franchise isn't based on just pre-80's Batman fans but I'm pretty sure a whole lot if not most are fans of all the 80's+ Batman franchise, I don't have any numbers or facts to back me up so I can't argue...

But I'm just saying, the whole point that I'm trying to prove, is that old is not ALWAYS good, and if they're doing a show to bring back the old pre-80's Batman why the heck are they aiming it at kids who were born in the 21st century?

[Quark]

I'm not some old fogey, i've never implied that old is always better than new. The show isn't trying to impress that idea on any of it's viewer, either. What kind of statement was Batman: TAS making when they lifted Joker's Millions from a 50's comic and made it an episode? How about The Batman, using what was essentially a remix of the 60's theme for their opening?
Every animated incarnation has borrowed from early Batman.
BATB decided to full on embrace it. Why? Because it's untapped potential. They're desperately trying to keep this character fresh. They took a look that isn't fresh in people's memories, put their own artistic spin on it, and repackaged it as new. Is that cheating, somehow?
And no kid is going to watch BATB and say "Ew, that is so 60's!" I grew up on Batman: TAS AND the Adam West Batman. This perception of outdated and irrelevant didn't register to me as a 6 year old. They were both Batman, they were both entertaining. Every incarnation can be stripped down to cops and robbers, and no kid is going to be turned off by that. The show is entertaining to kids. It's entertaining to the astute comic fan.

[Anza Power]

Well, I don't have the energy to go on arguing, my thought of this show will still stay the same unless they fix all those stuff that in my opinion are big mistakes, starting with the aiming the show towards preschoolers, and all the way to the grandma-made cape and cowl, I don't think it'll ever grow on me...

[Quark]

Ignorance is bliss.

[Quark]

Etrigan, the origins of Gentlemen Ghost, competition between Batman and Sherlock Holmes, and Dee Bradley Baker as The Scarecrow? Anyone else think Trials of the Demon was an awesome episode?

Also, we're apparently getting a DVD set soonish.

[Zarius]

Well, I don't have the energy to go on arguing, my thought of this show will still stay the same unless they fix all those stuff that in my opinion are big mistakes, starting with the aiming the show towards preschoolers, and all the way to the grandma-made cape and cowl, I don't think it'll ever grow on me...

A good thing this series isnt aimed at you then isnt it?

As for the current audience... You ARE aware that 90's audiences were raised on the Neil Adams-esque tone of the 1970s and the early Bob Kane/Bill Finger influences of the 1940s right with Batman: TAS right? You ARE aware Superman: TAS paid ribute to Jack Kirby's Fourth World with the strong emphasis on using Darksied as the series primary villain right?

Why should current audiences be denied a history lesson freshly animated and interpreted from a more innocent time and a more innocent way of handling comics under the comics code authority? Those were fun comics that didnt take themselves too seriously, and actually got away with self-deprecating humour that people appreciat and "understand" more when there older? (Batman spanking women, "The Joker's Boner"? ). These comics were produced to demonstrate that heroes are heroes, treating the audience like there personal tag-alongs. That's a lost art that The Brave and The Bold and Transformers Animated have done a good job of bringing to life again.

As you said, you have no facts, no figures, no rational excuses for your argument, you're just another DCAU fanboy butthurt that your preffered interpretation ended years ago and you can't enjoy anything lighter or different.

"Dark" isnt always good either, as Marvel and D.C's sales have plummeted in recent years due to a reliance on overly dark, morally bankrupt storylines and events.

[Anza Power]

A good thing this series isnt aimed at you then isnt it?

Hmm, for once, I can actually agree on that...


Why should current audiences be denied a history lesson freshly animated and interpreted from a more innocent time and a more innocent way of handling comics under the comics code authority? Those were fun comics that didnt take themselves too seriously, and actually got away with self-deprecating humour that people appreciat and "understand" more when there older? (Batman spanking women, "The Joker's Boner"? ). These comics were produced to demonstrate that heroes are heroes, treating the audience like there personal tag-alongs. That's a lost art that The Brave and The Bold and Transformers Animated have done a good job of bringing to life again.

I said it before it's not the theme I'm hating this series for, it's not the ideas of a show oriented around lesser known DC heroes and based on classic Batman, it's the damn choice of aiming it towards pre-schoolers and ruining the whole thing,if they' at least decided to make it a little bit more mature, they might've avoided a whole lot of lameness in this show...


As you said, you have no facts, no figures, no rational excuses for your argument, you're just another DCAU fanboy butthurt that your preffered interpretation ended years ago and you can't enjoy anything lighter or different.

DCAU fanboy? hey I kinda like that...

[Quark]

I said it before it's not the theme I'm hating this series for, it's not the ideas of a show oriented around lesser known DC heroes and based on classic Batman, it's the damn choice of aiming it towards pre-schoolers and ruining the whole thing,if they' at least decided to make it a little bit more mature, they might've avoided a whole lot of lameness in this show...



Since you're throwing out the same defeated argument, i'll just recycle what I said before. There's a difference between a show that's made specifically for little kids, and a show that's appropriate for all ages. BATB is appropriate for all ages. A show that's tailored specifically towards a preschooler would include Dora the Explorer, Barney, you get the point. If you seriously can't see the fundamental difference between the two, and are going to continue blurring that line to try and prop up your failed argument, you're beyond help. Batman: TAS is not the sole successfully framework for the character, and is in no way perfect (this is coming from someone with an emotional attachment to TAS).

[Mr. CD]

So, Batman and Booster Gold will be teaming up tonight.

[bluebox40]

I'll take batman TAS and adam west over brave and the crap anyday.

[Quark]

So, Batman and Booster Gold will be teaming up tonight.

Caught the tail end of the episode, I really need to get caught up on this show, I haven't watched it since Owlman.

So who else is excited for the long awaited appearance of The Boy Spoiler (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/18revenge/)?



I'll take batman TAS and adam west over brave and the crap anyday.

Then go buy TAS on dvd and watch it. You like Adam West's Batman but call this show crap? Bwuh?

[Mr. CD]

So who else is excited for the long awaited appearance of The Boy Spoiler (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/18revenge/)?

I'm curious about which Robin it is. Think it could be Jason?

[Anza Power]

^ *headdesk* What part of SPOILER didn't you understand?

Anyways, this show's becoming a bit bearable now........maybe cause no other show was airing, but meh, Night of the Huntress was cool thanks to the hotness of Black Canary and Huntress, though not to the grossness of Man-Face...

[Zarius]

I'll take batman TAS and adam west over brave and the crap anyday.

You are not a real fan of Batman. Grow up and stop trolling this thread you baby.

This goes also for any sicophantic moron who can't get over thier PWECIOUS little DCAU, it's OVER, it's not coming back, and there are other easily enjoyable alternatives to the Batman franchise that can stand on their own and have earned their place. The Brave and The Bold is one of the best Silver Age throwbacks out there, a labour of love from REAL comic fans who understand and respect the eras of classic D.C lore...if you do not respect that, then you're missing out, and you're nobody important. Don't troll in this thread like spiteful little s*ithead crying like a child for the 1990s.

^ *headdesk* What part of SPOILER didn't you understand?

Except the use of the term "The Boy Spoiler" didnt cover up anything...anyone with a brain knows what that means.


Anyways, this show's becoming a bit bearable now........maybe cause no other show was airing

Nah, it was as great as ever.

[Mr. Underachiever]

The premise of this show didn't really appeal to me at first, and it sounded like something that would get old really fast, but I'm hearing nothing but good things about this show, so I guess I'll check it out.

[Zarius]

The premise of this show didn't really appeal to me at first, and it sounded like something that would get old really fast, but I'm hearing nothing but good things about this show, so I guess I'll check it out.

Part of making it stand out was to just think "what would the silver age look like if it existed today?", and we get what we have now...something that owes a lot not just to Bill Finger, **** Sprang etc, but also Ralph Baski and Steve Gerber.

[Quark]

The premise of this show didn't really appeal to me at first, and it sounded like something that would get old really fast, but I'm hearing nothing but good things about this show, so I guess I'll check it out.

I say check out an episode and see what you think. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it seems people are slowly coming around.

[Mr. White]

Hmm i wonder if the Robin will be Tim.... If it is I hope we see Nightwing then

[PowerOnyx]

I stopped watching after Aquaman was in Batman's body fighting off a virus.

Has the show gotten better since then?

[LadyWingKnight]

I like Batman...period!

[Mr. CD]

BatMite coming and he's being voice by Pee Wee Herman. http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/19darkmite/

[Quark]

Written by Paul Dini? Guess that explains the numerous TAS shoutouts.

[Quark]

Finally caught The Color of Revenge. Woah. My favorite episode to date (being a Robin fan probably makes me a tad biased). I was certain there was going to be a hint at Nightwing at the end, but I guess not.
I had to re-watch the opening scene, it was a beautiful homage to the 60's series.

[ThisSpaceForRent]

I only got to see the latter half of the episode, but it was really great. I'd really be interested in seeing a BatB version of Nightwing.

BatB's whimsical universe is quite refreshing, I think. I rather love it.

[Mr. CD]

What I don't get though is if Quilt got blinded, how is it he could still see (alibit blurry)?

[Mr. White]

What I don't get though is if Quilt got blinded, how is it he could still see (alibit blurry)?

Well that was 10 years before mabey his vision was getting a little better?

[Quark]

I only got to see the latter half of the episode, but it was really great. I'd really be interested in seeing a BatB version of Nightwing.


Maybe they're planning on bringing him in later. A man can dream.


Anyone see Legend of the Dark Mite? Head trip.

[Mr. CD]

I liked how Bat-Mite burned all the BatB haters out there.

[Quark]

I liked how Bat-Mite burned all the BatB haters out there.

I was giddy.

[Mr. Silver]

I liked how Bat-Mite burned all the BatB haters out there.

Classic.. simply classic.

[Quark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9VSIT8lY8

[Anza Power]

Can't believe no one bumped this thread already...

The series's becoming more enjoyable in eps 23 and 26, I liked those eps alot...

[Quark]

BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD: "CHILL OF THE NIGHT!"

Paul Dini has written "Chill of the Night!," the episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold that was touched upon at Comic-Con International last weekend.

Voices in the episode include Adam West as Thomas Wayne, Julie Newar as Martha Wayne, Kevin Conroy as the Phantom Stranger and Mark Hamill as The Spectre.

Diedrich Bader, who provides the voice of Batman, said that Batman gets "a sense of closure" and that recording the episode actually made him cry.

Look for more Batman: The Brave and the Bold news soon here in The Continuum.

From http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0907/28/index.htm

Feel free to scream like a giddy school girl.

[Mr. Underachiever]

So is the episode the finale?

[Mr. CD]

I hope not. It feels too early to be ending the series this soon.

[Quark]

I didn't think so, atleast, no one's said it will be. I'll be sad if it's over.

[Quark]

You are not worthy.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8581/craigbatmanbraveboldbat.jpg
source: Bat Blog (http://www.tomztoyz.blogspot.com/)

Oh, the horrible things i'd do for this car.

[NCBradin]

You are not worthy.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8581/craigbatmanbraveboldbat.jpg
source: Bat Blog (http://www.tomztoyz.blogspot.com/)

Oh, the horrible things i'd do for this car.

HORRIBLE car I've ever seen!

[Quark]

What? It's freaking amazing!

[Quark]

When Omac Attacks, Inside the Outsiders, The Fate of Equinox, and Mayhem of the Music Meister are all floating around the internet. If this is news to you as it was to me, best get looking for them.

[Anza Power]

When Omac Attacks, Inside the Outsiders, The Fate of Equinox, and Mayhem of the Music Meister are all floating around the internet. If this is news to you as it was to me, best get looking for them.

Omac Attacks and Fate of Equinox have been out months ago, though I just noticed Inside and Outside, the 4th episode is no where to be seen...

[Quark]

the 4th episode is no where to be seen...
Back on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgVc2uEY6E0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5ePCkZKDE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuN9KTBWN20&feature=related

[Mr. CD]

Does anybody know who voiced Music Meister? Because I swore I heard his singing voice in one of those animated Disney movies.

[Question]

Neil Patrick Harris

[Quark]

I had no idea he had it in him!

[Digifiend]

The only Disney cartoon he's done is one episode of the Tarzan TV series. He also voiced Spidey in 2003's Spider-Man: the New Animated Series. Full CV: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000439/

[Quark]

So like, the second season started and stuff.


Friday, January 1st, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "Revenge of the Reach!"
Blue Beetle's scarab is revealed to be linked to an army of evil aliens known as the Reach. Does he have the power to resist their influence?

Friday, January 8th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!"
Aquaman attempts to take a family vacation with Mera and Arthur Jr., but can't resist helping heroes along the way.

Friday, January 15th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "The Golden Age of Justice!"
An aging JSA is faced with the return of their worst enemy, Per Degaton, as he returns from suspended animation to enact a plan for world-domination, while Black Canary helps Wildcat face his greatest regrets.

Friday, January 22nd, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "Sidekicks Assemble!"
Aqualad, Robin and Speedy have had it with being bossed around and demand a piece of the action, but they get more than they bargained for when they find themselves facing off against Ra's Al-Ghul and his flying island!

Friday, January 29th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "Clash of the Metal Men!"
Batman is introduced to a team of energetic androids known as the Metal Men. When their creator goes missing at the hands of the Gas Gang, Batman helps them track the villains to get him back.

I haven't been able to find Long Arm of the Law from a couple weeks ago anywhere. Anyone seen it?

[Big Grim]

I love this show, yes it's no "Batman: The Animated Series" but it's just plain fun. And I love how it showcases heroes and villains from all over the DC Universe. It's kinda like JLU, just more campier, but in a fun way.

[Question]

You are not worthy.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8581/craigbatmanbraveboldbat.jpg
source: Bat Blog (http://www.tomztoyz.blogspot.com/)

Oh, the horrible things i'd do for this car.

HOW DID I MISS THIS BEFORE?

There is no end to the death and destruction I would kill and destroy if someone promised me this car afterward.


I haven't been able to find Long Arm of the Law from a couple weeks ago anywhere. Anyone seen it?

I have it on my hard drive. Want me to send it to you?

[Quark]

That would be sweeeet!

[Question]

Might have to be after I get home tonight and manage to upload it to something.

...although then I can't get on because my home IP is blocked here.

Do you have MSN?

[Anza Power]

The show's becoming decent but still no replacement for the DCAU and "The Batman" series...


So like, the second season started and stuff.



I haven't been able to find Long Arm of the Law from a couple weeks ago anywhere. Anyone seen it?

You can find it on ThePirateBay...

[Quark]

Being a huge Robin fan I loved Sidekicks Assemble.
Also:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6571/37448248.jpg
Awesome.

[Quark]

Sorry for the double post, but the schedule for the next batch of episodes is up, including Chill of the Night!

Friday, February 5th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "A Bat Divided!"
A school field trip goes awry when Dr. Double X causes a lab explosion that fuses slacker science teacher Ronnie to his genius pupil Jason, creating the reluctant hero Firestorm...and unbeknownst them, it leaves Batman divided into three parts!

Friday, February 12th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "The Super-Batman of Planet X!"
Batman lands on this distant planet Zurr En Arrh and finds a doppelganger Batman, but more surprisingly, on this planet the Caped Crusader has super powers! Together they battle the mad genius Rhotul, who soon learns Batman's super weakness.

Friday, February 19th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "The Power of Shazam!"
Batman teams with Captain Marvel, the superhero alter ego of the young Billy Batson, to battle Dr. Sivana and Black Adam, who wish to usurp the magic of Shazam that gives Billy his power.

Friday, February 26th, 2010 at 7:30pm (ET) - "Chill of the Night!"
The Spectre and The Phantom Stranger observe Batman as he uncovers the mystery of who killed his parents and travels back in time to team up with his own father.

[Mr. White]

I liked today's ep it was awsome how the sidekicks try to make something of themselves. Also how Robin becomes Nightwing:D. Can't wait for Chill of the Night it sounds pretty interesting

[Quark]

No new episodes till March.

THO!

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/628/24489320493850834474969.jpg
How bout them apples?

[Alpha 5]

I love this show lol

[SirGreen]

this is indeed a good show, i do not like The Batman

[Quark]

I think The Batman suffers from a lack of confidence. I remember an interview where one of the writers was like 'Yeah, we knew we could never top Heart of Ice, so we just made Freeze a jewel thief.' I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said. TB is at it's best when it isn't trying to live up to TAS, and just does it's own thing. That's part of why Brave and the Bold is so great. 'Yeah, TAS is awesome. Now here's what OUR show is like. It's awesome too, just in different ways.'

[Mr. CD]

I wonder if this parasite subplot going to go anywhere?

[Alpha 5]

You mean the starfish looking things like on Batman beyond? and I can't tell you how excited I am for the Adam west episode....I was very excited when KC was the batman from planet X lol

Oswald is Doing batman proud..I liked his voice Till i found out who played him..it took me awhile to warm up to BB batman again but I have and NO one tops BB batman's one liners! lol

To anyone who doesn't like the show just because it isn't a clone of the Animated series, the Batmite episode pretty much summed it up as well as paying great tribute to it...I just love this show because it's a fun adventure...

[SirGreen]

i enjoyed batman beyond i found it fascinating and needs to come back.

freeze is not a jewel theif! he is a mastermind criminal, and one of the best IMO.

[Mr. CD]

A Superman-like Batman. Awesome.

[Alpha 5]

Anyone know when we're suppose to get a new episode?

[Digifiend]

You've missed it. There was a new episode on March 26, that's Friday just gone. That's what Mr CD is referring to. There are episodes scheduled for April 2nd, 9th and 16th, after that TBA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman:_The_Brave_and_the_Bold_episodes

[Alpha 5]

How did you know I missed that episode? lol..but I had seen it on youtube months earlier...I don't know how new episodes leak there first but anyways...thanks alot for the info! now i know we got a new smallville and a new BBB in one night :D

[Quark]

I wonder if this parasite subplot going to go anywhere?

I'm gonna throw this out there. Only one other hero who won't be under Starro's control, and Batman will team up with him. Superman!

Also, to quote Toyfare magazine: That better not just be a giant cookie.



Oswald is Doing batman proud..I liked his voice Till i found out who played him..it took me awhile to warm up to BB batman again but I have and NO one tops BB batman's one liners! lol

It took me so long to 'unhear' Oswald when I started watching the show.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman:_The_Brave_and_the_Bold_episodes
Huh. Emperor Joker sounds amazing!

[Alpha 5]

*Eyes open wide* Ssssuperman is finaly going to be on! :D

[Digifiend]

How did you know I missed that episode? lol..but I had seen it on youtube months earlier...I don't know how new episodes leak there first but anyways...thanks alot for the info! now i know we got a new smallville and a new BBB in one night :DBecause you was asking when the next new ep was, and you only just had one.

[Mr. CD]

Man, this was a powerful episode.

[Mr. White]

Damn missed it on CN East. Guess I'll watch it on West


Edit: Saw the episode. Probally one of the best in the series so far

[Alpha 5]

it was actualy pretty dark for this series, and I loved all the camios (sp)

[Quark]

I won't lie, i've probably watched it like ten times.

[Alpha 5]

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the first time we get to see batman's face in this series?

[Quark]

Yeah. We see Bruce, but with his face obscured by shadows in Deep Cover for Batman and The Color of Revenge. But this is the only time we've really seen his face clearly. I loved the 'I'm Bruce Wayne' scene.

[Quark]

Somewhat interesting interview (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/backstage/interviews/wfjelenic02.php)


The show will continue to play around with structure and format. We'll have a couple more musical numbers to look forward to. People will die. More than a couple, in fact. And most exciting to me I managed to convince James to cast one of the comedy heroes from my childhood to play himself. He's absolutely great in what can be considered a pretty off the wall episode, even for us.

[Alpha 5]

Thanks Quark

[Quark]

For the life of me I can't guess who the comedian is. Though I think it's safe to assume the off the wall episode he's referring to will be the Emperor Joker one.

[DarkBlaze]

I just got into this series a couple weeks ago. I have to say, it's a lot better than what I had anticipated when I first saw commercials. I found all the episodes on Veoh in case anyone else is interested...

[Quark]

I'm too disappointed to say anything so i'll let the article do the talking (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/batman-the-brave-and-the-bold-canceled-season-three-16840/).



It was confirmed over the weekend that the retro cartoon series, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, is coming to an end after two seasons. The cancellation news came at the TV show panel at Comic-Con.

At the event, producer James Tucker revealed that they have finally received permission to team Batman up with Wonder Woman and Superman for the series. Both will be featured before the conclusion of the last 13 episodes.

Like the rest of the show’s guest-stars, Wonder Woman and Superman will be friends of the caped crusader’s but Tucker says that they’ll have an “interesting dynamic” with Batman. The final installments are currently in production.

It was also confirmed at the panel that the kid-friendly Brave and the Bold comic book, that’s based on the show, was also being cancelled.

[Mr. White]

Aww man.. that sucks. I really liked Batman: TBB

[Quark]

The silver lining is we're getting a 'mini-Season 3' and they're going into it knowing it's the end. I imagine we'll get a pretty epic finale, in it's own Brave and the Bold kind of wacky way.

[Mr. Silver]

:sad: Damn...I loved Brave and the Bold..

[Alpha 5]

Nooooooooo I knew they were jumping the shark with bruce wayne being shown! ******!!

[Digifiend]

They're even cancelling the comic book!?!

[Razor]

Probably would've lasted longer if it had stayed on the CW where it originally aired.

[Quark]

They're even cancelling the comic book!?!

Issue #22 which comes out in October will be the last issue.


Probably would've lasted longer if it had stayed on the CW where it originally aired.

When was it on CW?

[Razor]

When it first aired. I used to watch it. The first finale was the invasion of aliens and I believe that's where Martian Manhunter became the first (future) JL member he teamed up with. Wiat. I may be thinking of the Batman. Nevermind.

[Quark]

Yeah that was The Batman... which got 5 seasons. How did they get 5 seasons, and BATB gets 2? RAAAAGE.

[Razor]

The Brave and the Bold was awesome too, though. That sucks!

[Alpha 5]

Yeah that was The Batman... which got 5 seasons. How did they get 5 seasons, and BATB gets 2? RAAAAGE.

me and you will just have to find a way to continue it lol

[Quark]

Hey, fans kept the DCAU alive with Batman fan comics, anything's possible!

[Dragon Caesar]

You're not going to see a superhero cartoon last over five seasons.

Most series usually run for 3, sometimes 4, years.

Perhaps we can learn something of longevity by extending shows for multiple years like anime. You would not retell the same story and rehash the same characters too often as Batman, Spiderman, etc. do.

[Quark]

That's part of why BATB was so good. Modern Batman cartoons have never embraced the Silver Age this much, and most of the episodes were spent on B and C list characters most people have never heard of. It's the most creative and imaginative thing DC has done since TAS. Because since the DCAU ended they've been obsessed with everything being like TAS.

[Captain Platypus]

I love tbatb personally. I think most of the fans went into this expecting a gritty grimdark batman... Which if f**king dumb. This show is literally the 60's DCU transposed to the modern era. You know how I ifugred it out? The f**king Green Arrow drives a car shaped like an arrow! The Joker isn't a sociopathic killer but a wacky villain, and bless his crazy heart for it.

I love what they did with Aquaman, he's a throwback to all those manly adventure serials. It gave Blue Beetle and The Voyagers of the Unknown screen time. Considering how the fandom masturbates all over angst these days, Jaime Reyes would never get that chance.

I think the show's worst flaw is the title. It's midleading. The title should be what the writers really wanted to make it - Batman Presents: The Rest of the DC Universe. He could start every episode in Wayne Manor, wearing the mask and a smoking jacket and telling us stories about how he helped the hero of the episode learn the true meaning of Christmas. It would be awesome!

[ForeverRanger]

I really liked this as it allowed me to see some of the villains in their original design and madness. Seeing Red Hood was awesome.

[Digifiend]

I love tbatb personally. I think most of the fans went into this expecting a gritty grimdark batman... Which if f**king dumb. This show is literally the 60's DCU transposed to the modern era. You know how I ifugred it out? The f**king Green Arrow drives a car shaped like an arrow! The Joker isn't a sociopathic killer but a wacky villain, and bless his crazy heart for it.

I love what they did with Aquaman, he's a throwback to all those manly adventure serials. It gave Blue Beetle and The Voyagers of the Unknown screen time. Considering how the fandom masturbates all over angst these days, Jaime Reyes would never get that chance.

I think the show's worst flaw is the title. It's midleading. The title should be what the writers really wanted to make it - Batman Presents: The Rest of the DC Universe. He could start every episode in Wayne Manor, wearing the mask and a smoking jacket and telling us stories about how he helped the hero of the episode learn the true meaning of Christmas. It would be awesome!

The Brave and The Bold was also the name of an 50s team-up comic, hence it's use for this series. In fact, until issue 67, it wasn't even a Batman title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brave_and_the_Bold

[Captain Platypus]

Don't kill my joke!

[Quark]

To those interested, The Siege of Starro parts 1 & 2 are both up on Youtube. Watch them now, cause they won't be there long.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyyaLp_4-c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iroUPCipi8Q&feature=related[/url]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIsS_LjvgHg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q42NFuHlv1o&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RwAnRoHCvc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwHVXIcowLo&feature=related

[Captain Platypus]

I absolutely love B'wana Beast

[Digifiend]

Quark, what do you mean they won't be there long, this isn't a Toei show!

[Captain Platypus]

It's still a protected intellectual property. They're going to protest eventually

[Quark]

When it comes to new episodes, especially ones that haven't aired everywhere, they tend to take them down after a while. Happened to Music Meister especially.

[Alpha 5]

That was really sad :( but a good episode

When does the new episodes start up?

[Quark]

Following in the grand tradition of new episodes airing everywhere except for in the US, Emperor Joker, Menace of the Madkins, The Mask of Matches Mallone, Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster, and The Last Patrol have all aired (and you can find online.)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5275/rainbowz.jpg And they are amazing.




When does the new episodes start up?

From World's Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/main.php):

Friday, October 15th, 2010 at 7:00pm (ET)
Batman: The Brave and The Bold - "The Mask of Matches Malone!"
Written by: Gail Simone
Directed by: Michael Chang

Friday, October 22nd, 2010 at 7:00pm (ET)
Batman: The Brave and The Bold - "Menace of the Madniks!"
Written by: Jim Krieg
Directed by: Michael Goguen

Friday, October 29th, 2010 at 7:00pm (ET)
Batman: The Brave and The Bold - "Emperor Joker!"
Written by: Steven Melching
Directed by: Ben Jones

[Digifiend]

To those interested, The Siege of Starro parts 1 & 2 are both up on Youtube. Watch them now, cause they won't be there long.
Very true.
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to repeated copyright infringements.

[Mr. CD]

So, was anyone else amazed they kept the Joker repeatedly killing Batman over and over again in this episode?

[Alpha 5]

I was shocked, i never thought they'd let him do that espeshily not on this series it was quite hard to watch at some points knowing he was actualy dying lol

[Captain Platypus]

I found the execution quite good. They worked really hard to ensure they never explicitly showed the death. Plus, Bat angel makes me giggle

He had a harp

[Alpha 5]

a nod to the old looney toons cartoons? and they did show two deaths, the acid one and the hammer one
these images are still haunting lol

[Quark]

Apparently some editing is going on. Emperor Joker has a musical number that's not being aired in some areas... has anyone seen it? Also, the Birds of Prey episode is going to be edited for all future airings.. for obvious reasons...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA

[Alpha 5]

I saw the joker singing lol

[Captain Platypus]

So did I. Lots of dirty jokes in that clip, but nothing so obvious that I'd consider it offensive

[Mnemosyne Symphonique]

Don't kill my joke!

The Killing Joke.

[Mr. CD]

Eh, last night's episode was alright. Typical Body Switching episode, but it was still entertaining. Like the breast joke and seeing Batman act all bratty.

[Quark]

The highlight was definitely Bader's acting and the character animation on mind switched Batman.

[Captain Platypus]

The Killing Joke.

... I don't like you anymore

[Alpha 5]

Tell me knightwing and be compleatly honest...does this suit make me look fat? lol that was funny

[SirGreen]

Apparently some editing is going on. Emperor Joker has a musical number that's not being aired in some areas... has anyone seen it? Also, the Birds of Prey episode is going to be edited for all future airings.. for obvious reasons...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA

lmao that was totally funny. I need to go watch episodes ive missed that ast handful.....

[Quark]

Wow.. wasn't expecting that cameo at the end of Cry Freedom Fighters.

[Alpha 5]

lol that was a shock, it wasn't his voice though lol

[Mr. White]

It was kinda funny though.

[Quark]

Yeah it was a pretty bad impression, I laughed though.

[Mr. CD]

Ah, the old "Imaginary Future with Imaginary Wife and Imaginary Children" Superhero Cliche. Still, pretty strong episode for a "Fanfic". Kinda saw it coming when they blew Bruce Wayne up in the museum.

[Quark]

Did they screw up in one of the 'cameo' shots? You have Barbara with her arm around Clark Kent and Lois sitting behind them with Commissioner Gordan.

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt281/GreenTownEmerald33/bscap0012.jpg

...Or what?

[SirGreen]

I just saw the episode were Alfred was writing a stoey i thought it was good.

[Captain Platypus]

On occasion, Lois has been redheaded, though this looks enough like the diniverse that I'm sure they were sitting with other people... or something

[Anza Power]

http://i51.tinypic.com/20kenm0.png

Don't mean to sound creepy but aren't those Wonder Woman's Shorts? :lol: :lol:

[SirGreen]

Is this the episode where he's working with uncle sam?

[Quark]

It's the one where he stole Wonder Woman's shorts. Also! Conan fans may have noticed this:

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/834/33289644.jpg (http://www.tbs.com/video/conan.jsp?oid=237436&eref=sharethisUrl)

[Alpha 5]

when did this episode air, the one with wonder woman's shorts

Is it the one with uncle sam?

[Anza Power]

when did this episode air, the one with wonder woman's shorts

Is it the one with uncle sam?

Yeah, I should have seen that coming, we already saw Batman when he teams up with the Green Lanterns he becomes a Lantern, teams up with the metal men he becomes a metal man, why did I not see that one coming I have no idea...XD XD

[SirGreen]

HE became a metalman? I dont remember that. I gotta see it lol. The Gl one was cool

[Anza Power]

^ Not exactly a metal man, more like the metal men made him an ultrazord in human size...XD

[Quark]

Ben Jones posted a deleted scene from Bat-Mite Presents, check it out: http://hamfist.blogspot.com/2011/03/bat-mite-presents-batmans-strangest.html

[Alpha 5]

Is this show ever coming back, or will we ever see new episodes?

[Quark]

Battle of the Superheroes! ft. Superman will be airing March 25th. Bat-Mite Presents will be shown April 1st. Who knows when The Mask of Matches Malone or The Malicious Mr. Mind will air in the US.

[Alpha 5]

what time, and on Cartoon network right? young justice is in the spot BTBATB use to be on

[Mr. CD]

I'm not gonna lie, when I first saw this episode, I was pretty WTF. Then Batmite showed up. Then it all made sense.

[Quark]

The Vile and the Villainous was a pretty out there episode, even for me. Though Tim Conway as the Weeper was excellent.

[Alpha 5]

the begining kind of threw me

[Mr. CD]

Eh, decent episode. There's not really much to talk about. Likeed Terry's cameo at the end.

[Quark]

hotness:
http://i55.tinypic.com/20f6sf9.jpg
Otherwise, yeah. Average episode. The Manhunter humor was great.

[Alpha 5]

i didn't notice all them when i first watched it lol i only noticed the big head batman and the 4 other guys who were being batman and the vampire like batman this is awsome

[Quark]

I also LOVED the Grey and Blue song in the teaser. Who could have predicted such great musical numbers from this show?

[Alpha 5]

now that song is stuck in my head, thanks "grayyy and blueeee, grayyy and bluueee..." lol

[Anza Power]

I also LOVED the Grey and Blue song in the teaser. Who could have predicted such great musical numbers from this show?

Uh...Birds of Prey? Invasion of the Music Maestro?

[Mr. CD]

The show returning on September 16:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1108/26/batmanbravesept.htm

[Alpha 5]

Thank you! :D

[Mr. CD]

Liked the Cold Opening with the Wonder Woman theme song playing and Batman being jealous of Steven. But other than that, outside of that heartwarming scene with Hal not wanting Carrol to know that she Star Sapphire, I didn't care much for this episode.

[Alpha 5]

I think it was a good begining for the new season, but I'm sure there is much better to come.

[bluebox40]

Why hasn't this **** been cancelled yet?

[Alpha 5]

actually it has been, their just playing the remaining episodes, but I gotta ask why so negitive?

[DigiRanger]

Alpha, I hope you are dressed as the Joker for that line, just to make it awesome.

[SirGreen]

^LMAO nice!

[Mr. CD]

Good episode. Best parts were Joker in Amazonian attire and Alfred as Batman.

[Mr. CD]

This has the be one of the best Series Finale I've seen in years. Batmite trying (And succeeding) in getting the show canceled. Terry McGinnes. Obvious Toyline tie-ins. Batman USING GUNS! Oh, and Batmite indirectly killing himself. While Season Three has been a bit of a letdown, at least the show ended on a heartwarming (And meta) note. Farewell B: BATB.

[Mr. Silver]

^

Like you, I enjoyed the series finale, though I didn't catch the Terry McGinnis reference.

[Mr. CD]

He played Jefferson D'Arcy on Married... With Children. Got his name wrong. lol It's Ted McGinley.

[Mr. Silver]

LMAO!! Oh ok. You had me re-watching the ep, thinking I missed a Batman Beyond reference.

[SirGreen]

Wait series finale? AHh how sad! I wil have to watcht the eps I missed sometime. Sounds great!